Labyrinth and Syrcus Tower...

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Originally Posted by Suniva

Why this again? People use the system daily for the rewards; if they queue for a particular raid, they aren't getting the rewards offered by using the Duty Roulette. Those that DO queue up for a particular instance are either:

A) Going through it the first time
B) Going for glamour

Driavna has made it clear in bringing up the points that the system was implemented so that ALL of the raids would be available, not just one or two, which in turn, was supposed to help with queue times for those in category A and B. If this was a single player game, you playing the game in a way that ideally fits YOUR needs would be fine. Unfortunately, this is not a single player game. There are others that do not enjoy the fact that their peers are rigging the system to their particular tastes, thereby forcing the system to register the same instances repeatedly, defeating the purpose of the roulette system.

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Okay, i'll chime in. For example i have only Crystal Tower and Ivalice Raids unlocked. I only queue into Alliance Roulette on a 50-69 character i am currently leveling to max. Other 23 players that are queued with me into that particular Raid Roulette all funneled to Crystal Tower Raids only, because that's the only thing available to me personally. Do i cheat the system or not and how wrong is for me to do it?

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Originally Posted by RoyalBeef

And they are. At regular ilvl I get Orbonne, Lighthouse, Rabanstare, Void Ark, you name it. People are acting as if those raids are impossible to pop, which isn't the case. The whole discussion is based on annecdotal evidence and "statistics" of 2-3 people :rolleyes:

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You are the only one so far that has stated that que for those roulettes is a 20m wait time at best without offering any other than your word. Of course, since you are the one doing it it's all ok and dandy.

Anyway, I love how you are ignoring the main point: the roulette was created to help people to do otherwise dead content without them. But hey, details.

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Originally Posted by RoyalBeef

And they are. At regular ilvl I get Orbonne, Lighthouse, Rabanstare, Void Ark, you name it. People are acting as if those raids are impossible to pop, which isn't the case. The whole discussion is based on annecdotal evidence and "statistics" of 2-3 people :rolleyes:

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Please point out where anyone in this thread said it was "impossible" to get one of the other instances. No one has said that. We are stating the facts, which is that a group of players rig the roulette system so they get lower level alliance raids, thereby forcing 23 others (or less depending) into the raid THEY want to do, thereby rigging the roulette system, and we don't like that.

Again, please stop strawmanning. You and I do not agree, and that is fine. But there is no reason for you to take mine, or others words, out of context to make yourself seem like you're in the right.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

You are the only one so far that has stated that que for those roulettes is a 20m wait time at best without offering any other proof that your own experience. Of course, since you are the one doing it it's all ok and dandy.

Anyway, I love how you are ignoring the main point: the roulette was created to help people to do dead content without it. But hey, details.

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That was in response to a person implying that a 20 min Alliance Roulette Queue would somehow be a sign that the content is dead. So I stated that 20 mins are a normal queue time for me for almost every roulette.

So you're saying it's likely that it's only me and 23 other people who get varying Raids while everyone else doesn't? And you want me to proof that that's not the case? lol

People are doing ead content just fine, I hop on PF and help people all the time, so me cheesing alliance just evens that out ^^ Wonder how many of you guy who are so concerned about "new players" go out of their way to help them clear stuff without getting roulette rewards for it :P

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Originally Posted by Flay_wind

Okay, i'll chime in. For example i have only Crystal Tower and Ivalice Raids unlocked. I only queue into Alliance Roulette on a 50-69 character i am currently leveling to max. Other 23 players that are queued with me into that particular Raid Roulette all funneled to Crystal Tower Raids only, because that's the only thing available to me personally. Do i cheat the system or not and how wrong is for me to do it?

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I'm sorry, but I really do not understand what you're trying to ask me here..Is it a pre made since you have 23 other people queue'd with you? How are you having to cheat the system? (How do you have Ivalice Raids unlocked if you're 69? They become available at 70) I'm sorry I don't understand your question, so I cannot really give you an answer.

Lets be clear here no matter what anyone else moans about it's not an exploit if its working as intended. You can reduce your ilvl to get lower ones or simply not bother unlocking the runs to never get them. That's just how it works so deal with it. That's just being dramatic for dramas sake. Let's also be blunt here, the newer raids are harder than the older one's and people do the roulette not to help you out but to get exp. That's the blunt truth.

People also aren't interested in wiping repeatedly over and over because other people simply cannot learn the mechanics or are downright incompetent. The newer ones take 45~1hr expecially Orbonne and the Thunder God: Slayer of Muppets, closer of Pools. Crystal tower takes under 15min and has no wipes. There's your problem. People want stress free runs not ragequitting and going round in circles. The only way your going to get more people to run them is quite simply to drastically increase the exp from the higher level runs or increase the rewards for clearing them.

Reward has to match the difficulty because if it doesnt people arent gonna waste time as in if one enters Orbonne they'll nope out of there fast because a 30min lockout + reque is currently faster on average than clearing that instance because there far fewer good players doing it.

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Originally Posted by RoyalBeef

Asking for a fix is implying there is something wrong with the system. It's working as intended tho ^^ Next thing you know, people ask for it to become a reportable offense. Some time in the future you'll be banned for equipping lower gear, or like in the other thread, for putting you PF party in the wrong category ^^
People who do that obviously don't want to play the raid you queued for, so why implement something that forces them and wil lead to them leaving or not queuing up anymore? As if that fixes your queues times.

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Because the entire purpose of a roulette is providing queues for content you wouldn't otherwise do. No one wants to do Satasha or Solm Al but due to there being no ilvl requirement on Leveling Roulette, you have to deal with it. Meanwhile, queues take forever on the Ivalice raids which is precisely what the Roulette aims to avoid. So no, it isn't working as intended. This is simply an exploit the devs didn't think people would do.

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Originally Posted by Suniva

I'm sorry, but I really do not understand what you're trying to ask me here..Is it a pre made since you have 23 other people queue'd with you? How are you having to cheat the system? I'm sorry I don't understand your question, so I cannot really give you an answer.

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What i meant is, basically, i skipped doing HW raids, as such they aren't even unlocked. And because of that the game can't put me anywhere else but ARR raids, even if my character is level 60+. And so other 23 players who queued for Alliance Roulette and got matched with me, get only ARR raids as a result, because that's the only raids I can access on a 50-69 job on my character.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

Yeah or they need to adjust the system so that you simply cant queue for the roulette if you dont meet the ilvl requirement for all duties of your level...

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This is the best way to do it.

The roulette could just let us opt out of our least favorite tier. The people who want to only run level 50 would be able to do so, and players like me would be willing to queue for it again and help with queue times. As it is now I will never use the Alliance roulette. Getting ARR raids makes me want to stop playing entirely.