Scholar Aetherflow Issues

Two issues here:
1. Aetherflow dump
I never had a problem with excess Aether while AF is still on CD, on the contrary, I always find myself have not enough AF. In between Excogitation and Lustrate, I also throw in Sacred Soil and that have used up all my Aethers.

2. Atherflow use out of Combat
The only problem I see here is not able to excog tank pre-pull, but I find that casting Recitation will allow you to excog. So that's the work around way. Granted Recitation has long cd, but it's better than none.

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Originally Posted by Nethereal

It seems you think I'm against lilies? That's not the case I know exactly what they do and what they're there for it's simply that some people don't respect the whole function of them. Specifically for down time when not having a target, those are only during transitions phases which usually last anywhere between 5 to 15 seconds which isn't enough time to even generate a lily and you'll probably have already used them and are holding a blood lily til the boss comes back, in my experience at least. With the longest time you won't have anything to hit will being around 30-40 seconds and during that time you usually won't be able to move or use any abilities because they're cutscenes, which is only one lily(30 sec). As for being able to hit multiple targets, that's honestly not worth discussing.

In theory you should be able to get off 10 casts of glare in 30 sec making the dps comparsion laughable. Lilies strict function is to reinburse dps lost from healing. It wasn't omitted either it's just such common knowledge I felt no need to waste time typing it out.
The amount of healing per minute is irrelevant in this specific case of removing aetherflow's requirement to make choices on what to use and making it a completely free resource. It's how fast you can heal that matters. Being able to heal 2400 hp in aoe within 2 seconds is not okay and neither is being able to cast excog and sacred soil while still being able to use lustrate. As for healers should heal, it's a very literal statement, if your team is actually dying you should heal them over dpsing, simple as that.
The amount of healing required enough though low when doing mechanics properly is irrelevant to the statement as a whole. Rather it seems more taken out of contex or you didn't understand how literally I meant to imply that sentence. If one of your teammates is going to die and you can either A. Use another Glare or B. Save their life, you save their life.

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1. Last I checked you could save your lillies and use all of them during downtime. So in 5 seconds of downtime I could easy use all 3 of them to prepare a misery for when the boss comes back. Why do I need to generate a lily specifically during the down time, do you even know how these work?

2. 10 glare casts in 30 seconds. I guess you're only concerned with hitting a dummy where you don't need to move at all. In cases where I do need to move, I'd sure rather take a 75 potency loss from using a lily as opposed to taking a 300 potency loss from losing a glare. Maybe you'd just rather lose the glare though?

3. You cannot use 6 indoms in 2 seconds, even if it's cooldown were to be removed.

4. Yes, how fast you can cast the heal does matter. Where is the math? You can't just say "you literally can't use math" when you don't do any math yourself. There is no math here.

5. The amount of required healing being low is very relevant here, especially when you're pretending that lillies sole purpose is to heal and that misery only exists to make using them hurt less.

Do you even play healer? There is so much wrong with your post, that I almost didn't feel like even replying to it. To be honest, I'm not really sure why I did.

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Originally Posted by Nethereal

You literally can't use math.

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I really don't feel like posting a second time and pointing out everything you said is wrong once again. All I have to say is there are many layers of irony in the above quote. Have a nice day.

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Originally Posted by Nethereal

It doesn't matter what you feel like, it doesn't change the fact you don't play this game. Tell you what I'm okay with removing the cool down on indominability just for the meme, I'll use aetherflow wait til it gets off cool down, use recitation, use indominability 4 times, pop aetherflow again use it another 3 times, pop dissipation and use it another 3 times. Honestly sounds like it would make for some nice fireworks. And it would be fun to be the only healer who can put out 4,200 aoe healing in 5 seconds or less.

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Woah 10 indoms in 5 seconds. I bet someone doesn't know that it's still not possible even in the way you describe. Why don't you try and use 9 lustrates in 5 seconds and see for yourself. If you can post a video of this I'll even apologize and admit that you're capable of doing math.

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Originally Posted by Lagomorph

1. Last I checked you could save your lillies and use all of them during downtime. So in 5 seconds of downtime I could easy use all 3 of them to prepare a misery for when the boss comes back. Why do I need to generate a lily specifically during the down time, do you even know how these work?

2. 10 glare casts in 30 seconds. I guess you're only concerned with hitting a dummy where you don't need to move at all. In cases where I do need to move, I'd sure rather take a 75 potency loss from using a lily as opposed to taking a 300 potency loss from losing a glare. Maybe you'd just rather lose the glare though?

3. You cannot use 6 indoms in 2 seconds, even if it's cooldown were to be removed.

4. Yes, how fast you can cast the heal does matter. Where is the math? You can't just say "you literally can't use math" when you don't do any math yourself. There is no math here.

5. The amount of required healing being low is very relevant here, especially when you're pretending that lillies sole purpose is to heal and that misery only exists to make using them hurt less.

Do you even play healer? There is so much wrong with your post, that I almost didn't feel like even replying to it. To be honest, I'm not really sure why I did.

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Wow you are actually special. Saving lilies is one of the worst things you can do.

Are you a time lord? Saving them doesn't change time, merely the window in which you can use them lel. Not using them during the most efficient time is a waste.
You also can't feed the blood lily if you're capped meaning you need to use misery it unless you want to waste another 30 seconds.

@2. Reread my post I accounted for that for fairness.

@3. Aetherflow, use indom 3 times, dissipation, use indom 3 times. Sure it might take 3 seconds, doesn't change anything. Oh I forgot recitation make it 7(2800).

@4. Can you not read? I literally said that in the post you replied to lel.

@5. You can't be helped. That's the literal function. Go check fflogs and see if you can find a single log where misery is top dps on a whm and not glare please, be my guest.

You don't even play this game let alone healer.

For anyone who reads this in the future. Lilies are specifically designed to reimburse whm dps from healing. If you have a lily you use rapture instead of medica 1 or if you would use a cure 2 you use solace instead. The reason for this is because after three uses you will be able to use a 900 potency attack. While they can also be used to weave certain abilities their main purpose as a free resource is to not punish you for healing. This can't be compared to 3 uses of glare which results in 1200 potency and is done over the period of 9 seconds but it does help with healing and eases your dps loss from healing. You can also use them to optimize your dps during movement when dia is already applied.

You know what. Given the tone of some in this thread, I don’t really think it’s worth me continuing a discussion in here. Anyone who would like to talk about the things I said—give me advice, contest them, agree with them—can message me on Discord.

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Originally Posted by Lagomorph

I really don't feel like posting a second time and pointing out everything you said is wrong once again. All I have to say is there are many layers of irony in the above quote. Have a nice day.

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It doesn't matter what you feel like, it doesn't change the fact you don't play this game. Tell you what I'm okay with removing the cool down on indominability just for the meme, I'll use aetherflow wait til it gets off cool down, use recitation, use indominability 4 times, pop aetherflow again use it another 3 times, pop dissipation and use it another 3 times. Honestly sounds like it would make for some nice fireworks. And it would be fun to be the only healer who can put out 4,200 aoe healing in 5 seconds or less.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

You know what. Given the tone of some in this thread, I don’t really think it’s worth me continuing a discussion in here. Anyone who would like to talk about the things I said—give me advice, contest them, agree with them—can message me on Discord.

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So I take it you were confused about which thread you said that. Well either way have a nice day.

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Originally Posted by Nethereal

So I take it you were confused about which thread you said that. Well either way have a nice day.

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It has nothing to do with that. I just don’t think you and I can have a constructive conversation. Especially with the way you’re responding to other posters here. Have a nice evening yourself.

EDIT: just adding this here because I don’t know where I am with my daily post count, and I don’t really want to waste more posts on this.

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Originally Posted by Nethereal

We can definitely have a constructive conversation if we get off on the right foot. But if you can't count or you're not well versed in the mechanics of the game and you don't admit to it or at least be genuine then it's impossible.

And I do genuinely want to know if you were confused about which thread you posted that in because I couldn't find it anywhere in this thread and I would genuinely like to apologize if I actually missed it.

But that's enough for one day.

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No, I really don’t think we can when you resort to insults towards anyone that disagrees with you or tries to contest your viewpoints. You can disagree civilly—and prove people wrong—without saying things such as “are you always this special”. That’s an unnecessary comment and I don’t have much desire to speak with anyone who does that. Despite how heated some arguments I’m involved in can get, I don’t resort to comments like that. Attack the argument. Not the person making the argument.

Unless I’m completely misinterpreting your tone, I don’t think we can converse constructively. I don’t need any apology from you. You can, however, apologize for the things you said to other people.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

It has nothing to do with that. I just don’t think you and I can have a constructive conversation. Especially with the way you’re responding to other posters here. Have a nice evening yourself.

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We can definitely have a constructive conversation if we get off on the right foot. But if you can't count or you're not well versed in the mechanics of the game and you don't admit to it or at least be genuine then it's impossible.

And I do genuinely want to know if you were confused about which thread you posted that in because I couldn't find it anywhere in this thread and I would genuinely like to apologize if I actually missed it.

But that's enough for one day.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Those days are gone, and I don't see much need for aetherflow at all with the exception of limiting lustrate.

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I'm inclined to agree. The limiting of Lustrate could easily be done with the new charges mechanic, and probably done better that way. That just leaves Aetherflow as a tool for restoring MP, which could literally be any number of other concepts that would fit the idea of Scholar just fine.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Actually just remove aetherflow all together. They've already ripped just about everything from SCH that can tie it to its ACN roots. Why not at this point? And that is a serious question.

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That's... actually not a bad idea. Give Lustrate a 25-30 second CD and 3 charges, change Dissipation to instantly generate 3 charges, and make something else the MP restore.

I'd be all for tying AF abilities to cooldowns instead of limiting them behind a very old mechanic that neither healer seems to suffer from. If that's an alternative, honestly I wouldn't mind it despite losing the extra mana. :P