Scholar notes from E3 build - Titania Fight

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

Ha ha, if only they would think of that.

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Your options being gutted doesn't mean your damage is gutted. Biolysis does 50 more potency than Miasma 2 and Bio 2 combined. Broil 3 obviously does more damage than Broil 2. Having to maintain 2 dots over one isn't any harder or more complex -- healer DPS kit isnt, and likely never will be, complex. The complexity of playing a healer at high level is mapping out your heals to allow you to Broil/Stone/Malefic spam more. That aspect of the game hasn't changed.

EDIT: The saddest part of the media tour info is that there isn't as much unavoidable/hard to heal damage as I would have hoped, but I dont think the playerbase is ready for unpredictable/near constant levels of healing. At least not immediately. It's something that will have to be slowly introduced.

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Originally Posted by Amon-ster

Your options being gutted doesn't mean your damage is gutted. Biolysis does 50 more potency than Miasma 2 and Bio 2 combined. Broil 3 obviously does more damage than Broil 2. Having to maintain 2 dots over one isn't any harder or more complex -- healer DPS kit isnt, and likely never will be, complex. The complexity of playing a healer at high level is mapping out your heals to allow you to Broil/Stone/Malefic spam more. That aspect of the game hasn't changed.

EDIT: The saddest part of the media tour info is that there isn't as much unavoidable/hard to heal damage as I would have hoped, but I dont think the playerbase is ready for unpredictable/near constant levels of healing. At least not immediately. It's something that will have to be slowly introduced.

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I miss the early days of ARR when we had Bio, Miasma, and Aero for a grand total of three dots, Shadowflare as a casted spell (and the only thing other than resurrection worth using swiftcast on), Ruin and Ruin II for direct damage options, and Energy Drain to round out the fun. Also a Selene with 30 second spell speed increase that alternated with 30 second skill speed increase. Granted Ruin was poop potency back then given how many DoTs we had, but that was part of the balance.

How is it that every expansion managed to take options away and yet they still felt they had to resort to this degree? It's almost like they're saying the SCH class was a mistake.

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Originally Posted by LegoTechnic

I miss the early days of ARR when we had Bio, Miasma, and Aero for a grand total of three dots, Shadowflare as a casted spell (and the only thing other than resurrection worth using swiftcast on), Ruin and Ruin II for direct damage options, and Energy Drain to round out the fun. Also a Selene with 30 second spell speed increase that alternated with 30 second skill speed increase. Granted Ruin was poop potency back then given how many DoTs we had, but that was part of the balance.

How is it that every expansion managed to take options away and yet they still felt they had to resort to this degree? It's almost like they're saying the SCH class was a mistake.

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Well Some of it was to tone down scholar dps early on especially after the initial buffs. The original thought was whm Main healer scholar off heals. But that didn’t really work well when two scholars were paired together. So it started changing. Scholar has been my favorite since those early days of ARR I miss that time too.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Let me ask you if this "sounds fun"

1 2 0 3 89 1 2 4 1 2 4 1 2 3 1 2 4 1 2 4 1 2 3 7 5 5 5 5 5 5 1 2 3 1 2 4 1 2 4 1 2 0 3....

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Sounds more fun than [1 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2...], absolutely

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Originally Posted by AikenDrum

Sounds more fun than [1 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2...], absolutely

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I'll have to be honest. My response to her would have been "Where can I find the 89 key on my keyboard?"

*cough*. I'll see myself out.

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Originally Posted by WaxSw

Please, read the tooltips and tell me if there is a single skill from 73 onwards that adress any of this problems:

a) Too powerful heals creating a lot of downtime, coupled with for example too powerful ogcd heals in case of sch
b) Simplistic aoe rotation which basically consist of 1 filler, 1 dot, 1 aoe
c) (Sch only) lack of aetherflow dumpster that doesnt require healing.
d) (Ast only) lack of diversity with cards all of them are "The balance" now.
e) (Whm only) lillies are still underwheilming mechanic, new lilly is a dps loss (spam 4 glares deal more damage than 3 healing+the 900 potency attack)

Its not speculation, its reading the information and use logic based on previous experiences to elaborate an hypothesis which so far is being proven right

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Yes thanks for quoting the obvious...You haven't played it and just reading tool read tips to speculate how it might play against the rest of the game is still speculation. Anyway good luck :-X

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Originally Posted by PaulH

Yes thanks for quoting the obvious...You haven't played it and just reading tool read tips to speculate how it might play against the rest of the game is still speculation. Anyway good luck :-X

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So what will you do if and when said speculation is accurate? Will you shift the goalposts like so many others, will we hear you say "Well you haven't gotten Savage with it yet!" or will you cede that maybe, maybe, people are capable of using given data to make predictions of things they haven't experienced yet?

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Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell

So what will you do if and when said speculation is accurate? Will you shift the goalposts like so many others, will we hear you say "Well you haven't gotten Savage with it yet!" or will you cede that maybe, maybe, people are capable of using given data to make predictions of things they haven't experienced yet?

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Nope i think by 80, if dungeons are crap then it is crap and speculation is realised and people can say hate to say i told you so. I think purely not having played the game with full healers kit at 80 is uncharted and just a bunch of tool tips without all the data and experience of how people played in the environment is currently absent.

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Originally Posted by PaulH

Yes thanks for quoting the obvious...You haven't played it and just reading tool read tips to speculate how it might play against the rest of the game is still speculation. Anyway good luck :-X

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Do I really need to play to

a) see that the dps rotation are 2 buttons for single target and 1 for aoe?
b) see the lack of diversity in ast cards?
c) see how the new lilly is a dps loss? (I mean 300 potency glare x4=1200 potency, 3 cures+new lilly attack=900 potency, 1200>900, basic maths)
d) see how there isnt a single aetherflow dumpster in all Sch's kit that doesnt require healing? (Just read the tooltips and tell me if there is an aetherflow skill that does not heal)

The answer is no, you dont need to wait to see those problems because if youre half decent at your job they're OBVIOUS and if you cant see them without playing you simply are not good at your job.

Again the attitude of "Wait til X" is just a try to fool oneself, an attitude that does not fit a forum where we are supposed to give feedback

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Originally Posted by PaulH

Yes thanks for quoting the obvious...You haven't played it and just reading tool read tips to speculate how it might play against the rest of the game is still speculation. Anyway good luck :-X

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I don't see you going to all the tank forum posts or the DPS forums and posting there about their feedback on the tooltips, videos, etc that have been released. So, you'd better get busy. I'm sure they'd love to hear your advice, too.