Restrict Personal Houses to 1 Per Server!

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Originally Posted by Gnorok

Or SE could just use a bit of the money they earn with FF14 to provide sufficient wards without screwing anyone. Problem solved.

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Except anyone with half a brain knows that more wards by themselves isn't going to solve the issue - as all more wards is going to do is give land barons more properties.

The problem is a shortage of housing aggravated by account housing capacity being too high per server.

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Originally Posted by Siniztor

As ive said many times before im fine if they wanna change the rules now to one per account. but you cant punish those who didntt break your rules we followed your rules and did nothing wrong. takeing away from people who broke no rules id wrong

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SE should change the rules on housing.

However, if they change the rules to disallow acquiring more personal properties if you already have one personal property, SE needs to make that change retroactive or it solves nothing.

IMO SE needs to deal with the land barons and house flipping market by any means necessary. Anything less will never resolve the housing issues, and only cause more contention in the player base. There is very much a case where it's better to lose a few fingers than the whole hand.

Land Baron's how about giving them the title of " SLUM LORDS" !

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Originally Posted by Siniztor

I pay extra for 8 chars. my 8 chars should have all the rights the person paying for 1 char.

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Bringig your sub up isn't an angle that is going to work well for you.

You're paying 15$ a month and keep ownership of 3 plots. 2 players that could otherwise use 2 out of those 3 plots are paying 13$ each, so a combined of 26$. Even if you were to quit the game over this issue, another paying would take your last plot over, bringing that total to 39$. Business-wise in a subscrition based MMO needs of many will always outweight needs of the few.

Your claim that each of your characters should have the same rights as a character people pay 13$ a month for because you pay 15$ for them all (13 for 1 and 2 for all others combined) isn't much better.

TL: DR Don't bring money into this discussion because you're hurting your own case.

And the bit about retainers is a poorly constructed strawman as well as an attempt at fearmongering. You should feel bad.

Clearly there's a lot of personal opinions here, but whether people like it or not (quite clearly not in some cases), SE sells a subscription plan that allows players to have up to 8 characters. Yes you only need 1 character, but it is a fact that they sell an 8-character package and each of those characters has the same rights/abilities. If someone wants to spend their time and effort to level those characters to get a house, they can. If SE didn't want players to use other characters to buy houses they could have put that in. Should they have? Maybe, they didn't.

Also SE have made multiple major changes to the housing and at no point have they tried to place restrictions on how many characters can own property:

Initial FC housing: 2.1
Personal housing: 2.38
Subdivisions: 2.4
Wards 9-12 (and subdivisions): 3.3
Shirogane: 4.1

Despite people saying that players are using the system in ways that weren't intended, given the amount of housing updates where SE *hasn't* changed things, clearly it *IS* working as they intended.

If you look at any of the XIV subscription information SE has published, there are no distinctions at all between the first character and the additional seven. They all have the same rights/privileges. Because no restrictions are made, it's not unreasonable for someone to want to use their subscription to get maximum value out of it and clearly SE recognises this.

If they want to change it to only one house per service account I have no problem with that, but they need to grandfather in any existing houses. I don't personally think it'll make much difference though as I don't believe there's not many people with multiple houses, but we can only speculate, only SE knows those figures.

But even if they were to restrict personal houses to 1 per service account/per server, it would just drive people who want multiple houses to making single character FCs instead which are not so easy to restrict. As everyone likely knows, FC houses are "owned" by whoever is currently the leader of the free company and this can change. Either because someone willingly needed to promote someone (taking a break, putting someone else in charge?) or it happens involuntarily where the leader is offline for 35-days and it jumps to the next active person on the hierarchy. To restrict this would require changing parts of how FCs actually work right now.

And if you start requiring a minimum membership amount for FCs, you penalise actual very small FCs (2-3 friends) and the "fake" FCs people would just get their friends to create an alt, stick it in their FC and forget about it.

The only real solution here seems to be that we need considerably more wards so that there is more supply than demand.

There needs to be an account restriction on the acquisitions of houses going forward. This much is obvious.

While I do agree that people who own multiple houses in their accounts were in their full right, in doing so they are preventing other players from accessing this feature as the game is designed right now. This is unfair.

That being said, I don't think S-E should remove houses from people who already multiple of them in their accounts. At least not without some kind of compensation.
What they can do however is implement whatever restrictions they wish, so long as it doesn't have retroactive effects. I think this would please both sides of the ordeal.


Personally, I don't see why an account should own multiple houses. But I'm not the one dictating the rules.
Even those who are holding houses for friends\family who don't subscribe as often are preventing actual active subscribers from actively owning a house.
And even for RP purposes it's excessive.

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Originally Posted by worldofneil

But even if they were to restrict personal houses to 1 per service account/per server, it would just drive people who want multiple houses to making single character FCs instead which are not so easy to restrict.

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Yet that change would reduce maximum capacity from 16 houses per account per server down to 9 houses per account per server. That capacity adjustment is what I'm after.

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Originally Posted by worldofneil

The only real solution here seems to be that we need considerably more wards so that there is more supply than demand.

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That's part of the solution, but without adjusting the capacity side of things, then all SE is going to do is give houses to the land barons.

The point of this thread is to effect changes that will help prevent another Shirogane, where people are like "YAY! NEW NEIGHBORHOOD!", and then find out the entire thing is gone within half an hour, and any new houses that entered the market are gone in about as much time.

100% agree, and have stated feelings like this in the 4.2 thread. Thank you so much!

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Yet that change would reduce maximum capacity from 16 houses per account per server down to 9 houses per account per server. That capacity adjustment is what I'm after.



That's part of the solution, but without adjusting the capacity side of things, then all SE is going to do is give houses to the land barons.

The point of this thread is to effect changes that will help prevent another Shirogane, where people are like "YAY! NEW NEIGHBORHOOD!", and then find out the entire thing is gone within half an hour, and any new houses that entered the market are gone in about as much time.

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Prevent another Shirogane? What was bad about it? Youre only mad cause you didnt get one. The process is fine, the fact is FFXIV is popular, and so is housing. Earn it, get lucky, but dont complain.

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Originally Posted by Abelfei

Prevent another Shirogane? What was bad about it? Youre only mad cause you didnt get one. The process is fine, the fact is FFXIV is popular, and so is housing. Earn it, get lucky, but dont complain.

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Please visit https://www.reddit.com/r/FFXIVhousingmarket/ and count the number of Shirogane land plots up for sale, which is now up to 7 on the front page at the time of writing.

That's seven players (and/or FCs) that didn't get a house because the house flippers decided their profit was more important than someone getting a property in the new neighborhood.

There is nothing right about that.