Scholar Feedback

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Originally Posted by Miles_Maelstrom

I have a problem with Deployment. It just doesn't do enough, and yes I know it's a strong ability as is, but there is something i don't like about it.

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Yeah I've definitely noticed myself using deployment tactics just way less than I use to. Was thinking why not make deployment tactics a galvanize shield upgrader instead. Similar to emergency tactics, use it before casting adlo or succor and it can add an additional 50% of the heal to the shield or something.
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Deployment+Adlo, 6k heal=6k+3k(50% of heal)=9,000 shield
Deployment+Crit Adlo, 9k heal=9k(2x)+4.5k(50% of heal)=22,500 shield
It would also work with succor making bit more worth while since it doesnt have the 2x crit bonus anyway, so yeah I would definitely enjoy using something like this instead, getting a lot more out of sch's shielding potential while helping with the rngness of adlo.

Deployment and the pet dissipation spell are just useless.
No way in hell I wanna kill my pet, it's the only thing that makes my class diferente, and the pros are way lower then the cons. 3 extra stacks won't do much for me because the most important spells, have CDs.
And deployment for Eye? Only the tank realy needs it, the boss isn't hitting other players for most part, and when it does, I should be focused on bringing ppl back up on HP.

IF Exo would work with deployment, then, suddenly, Sch would be great at recovering a group from massive AOEs.
Instead of kill our pet, the skill could swap the pet instantly, on the fly. That would be more interesting.

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Originally Posted by Dragonhand

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Deployment is not useless. Yeah it makes no sense that E4E is on the cross role system, however people make it out like deploying E4E was godlike. It never was, and it was extremely situational. Deployment has always been amazing to spread Adloquium, and that hasn't changed one bit. This sounds more like complaining about an ability just for the sake of it.

As a SCH, I do think it needs some help still. Mainly in the form of Dissipation and Selene. If you think being able to spread an 850 potence heal while having a 500 potency Indomitabilty is balanced, then I'm glad you're not part of the dev team. Make SCH great again at what it used to do, not these random overpowered suggestions.

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Originally Posted by Kabzy

Deployment is not useless. Yeah it makes no sense that E4E is on the cross role system, however people make it out like deploying E4E was godlike. It never was, and it was extremely situational. Deployment has always been amazing to spread Adloquium, and that hasn't changed one bit. This sounds more like complaining about an ability just for the sake of it.

As a SCH, I do think it needs some help still. Mainly in the form of Dissipation and Selene. If you think being able to spread an 850 potence heal while having a 500 potency Indomitabilty is balanced, then I'm glad you're not part of the dev team. Make SCH great again at what it used to do, not these random overpowered suggestions.

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Dissipation is easily the worst ability in the game. It removes the core aspect of the job. It doesn't synergize with anything and actually conflicts with the level 70 action.

Capstone actions are supposed to make you feel powerful. You feel less powerful when you use Dissipation.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Dissipation is easily the worst ability in the game. It removes the core aspect of the job. It doesn't synergize with anything and actually conflicts with the level 70 action.

Capstone actions are supposed to make you feel powerful. You feel less powerful when you use Dissipation.

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I said this earlier. Not only does dissipate not synergize with anything in our toolkit, it's contradicts with our level 70 ability, rouse, the fairy itself, our main playstyle (we are generally punished for using excessive use of our healing spells but this provides a buff to them), and even itself. Dissipate conflicts with itself. It's the worst ability in game.

scholarsv biggest issues right now is that most of our abilities have conflicts with other abilities. Our toolkit for a large part is fighting itself which is bad design.

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Originally Posted by Dragonhand

IF Exo would work with deployment, then, suddenly, Sch would be great at recovering a group from massive AOEs.
Instead of kill our pet, the skill could swap the pet instantly, on the fly. That would be more interesting.

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If Exo worked with Deployment, they'd have to nerf the everloving life out of Exo or SCH would be back to being mandatory in progression. "Here's a reactive 800 potency heal for the entire group for 0 MP" simply doesn't fly.

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Originally Posted by Tridus

"Here's a reactive 800 potency heal for the entire group

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Server side reactive at that. Never will it lag.

Anyways, we've had all healer comps for progression and AST+SCH is favored to speed kills/farms. I'm pretty OK with this level of balance, but the AST+SCH meta once again has me pretty wary of buffs to those two...

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Originally Posted by Tridus

If Exo worked with Deployment, they'd have to nerf the everloving life out of Exo or SCH would be back to being mandatory in progression. "Here's a reactive 800 potency heal for the entire group for 0 MP" simply doesn't fly.

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Look we get that but it comes down to flow of abilities and design. Abilities shouldn't be made with all these ifs, ands, and buts. Before SB deployment had great meshing, it spread our buffs, so only had two buffs to give (galvanize and E4E) but it was straight forward and made the ability smooth. Now we still give two buffs but deploy only works with half of them. It used to read like 'spread scholar buffs to near by party members' now it's 'spread scholar buffs to nearby party members, but not excog, and if using role skill E4E that too'

It's poor deign, if your going to give us an ability that is a player side buff they should make sure it is balanced to work with our existing abilities.

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Originally Posted by Miles_Maelstrom

Look we get that but it comes down to flow of abilities and design. Abilities shouldn't be made with all these ifs, ands, and buts. Before SB deployment had great meshing, it spread our buffs, so only had two buffs to give (galvanize and E4E) but it was straight forward and made the ability smooth. Now we still give two buffs but deploy only works with half of them. It used to read like 'spread scholar buffs to near by party members' now it's 'spread scholar buffs to nearby party members, but not excog, and if using role skill E4E that too'

It's poor deign, if your going to give us an ability that is a player side buff they should make sure it is balanced to work with our existing abilities.

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It literally does the same thing it did in HW. Like wut. Deployment is why Adlo is being punished with increased mp costs.

What I feel would help SCH flow better:
Decrease the mp cost of Miasma II. It should be 150 to 175% the cost of Broil. Blizzard II was 133%. Its currently 233%.

Make Miasma II based on target, like gravity.

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Originally Posted by Miles_Maelstrom

Look we get that but it comes down to flow of abilities and design. Abilities shouldn't be made with all these ifs, ands, and buts. Before SB deployment had great meshing, it spread our buffs, so only had two buffs to give (galvanize and E4E) but it was straight forward and made the ability smooth. Now we still give two buffs but deploy only works with half of them. It used to read like 'spread scholar buffs to near by party members' now it's 'spread scholar buffs to nearby party members, but not excog, and if using role skill E4E that too'

It's poor deign, if your going to give us an ability that is a player side buff they should make sure it is balanced to work with our existing abilities.

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I get that, and I find SCH's design clunky and counterintuitive. But it's a case of be careful what you ask for, because as it is right now making Excog deployable would simply not work. It'd be far too OP.

Maybe they could make it so that deploying it spreads it out amongst everyone or something like that.

Or maybe deployment itself is part of the problem. I mean, deployed crit Aldo is so strong they had to do something, and nobody likes what the response was.