ya i thought that at least ruin 3 mp cost would have been adjusted with 4.06... there is absolute no reason and no other skill ingame with that huge amount of mp cost compared to its laughable pot – ruin 3 cost isn't justified anymore. so why can't they just reduce it? Blm & Rdm both "can't get oom"... even if they try hard... smn on the other hand is still struggling with ruin 3 spam... just why?
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08-08-2017, 11:35 PMNeela
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08-08-2017, 11:44 PMLen
If number tweaks are all they're capable of..
Why is Bane & Tri-bind still garbage? Either revert Bane to HW status or buff Tri-bind!
It's just been disappointment after disappointment with the developers on SMN. I'm really just ready to unsub until they finally fix this job. -
08-09-2017, 12:10 AMRyuko
For a band-aid fix until they can implement greater changes, this one wasn't awful. I really just think SE needs to do something about how punishing death is... and also reconsider a method to heal our pets. I think, because pets come back with full HP after Demi-Bahamut goes away, that may be why SE 'took away' Sustain. They just assumed we wouldn't need it. But, no, no, no. Now we really have to pay attention to where we park our pets. (Sidebar: LET ME CHOOSE WHO I GIVE DEVOTION TOO.) But, that's the same as it was in the past, too. You can't just let your pet sit and wait for cleaves on top of the MT. I remember keeping pets alive in Shiva Ex was the most annoying thing. You had to constantly move them, and that's when we had Sustain. I would consider it a personal accomplishment if my pet survived the full encounter when Shiva Ex was current content (not a lot of healers like to give them love).
As for SMN being in a bad state... Yes, less people are playing it, but the damage potential is still really good -- if you don't die. It's just frustrating when you die through no fault of your own and now your numbers tank for the rest of the fight. It's one thing if you die because you, personally, messed something up. It's another if you die because a healer forgot to top you off or someone else didn't do the mechanic right so you died as a result. I've played SMN since 2.0, through all the ups and downs... when it was considered OP, when it was considered awful... It's never been as bad as people say. Remember, when they buff jobs, they are not buffing them for the top tier players. They are buffing them for the average player clearing current content. So, strive to be really, really good and you'll be exceptional no matter what job you're playing. If it's just a numbers game to you, sure, pick the one with the greatest potential -- but in all but the most exceptional parses, you'll find that 'good' players in each role will perform at very, very similar levels. -
08-09-2017, 12:28 AMDyvid
Well hopefully this is just a band aid fix instead of "Jobs Done" fix because it has design complaint across the boards that need to be address.
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08-09-2017, 12:38 AMKarstenSMore than this remove Ruin and lower the cost of Ruin 2 to the level of Ruin. For Ruin 3 I do understand why the mana cost are like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neela
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08-09-2017, 12:39 AMJonnycbad
They said in a recent stream that they can only do bandaid buffs for jobs right now because they're working on bigger scale changes to be implemented in a large scale patch like 4.1. Stop despairing.
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08-09-2017, 12:47 AMNorthernLadMSPLink please?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonnycbad
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08-09-2017, 12:51 AMRevanslave
At least it's a step in the right direction. I don't understand people wanting to prioritize sustain over potency increase. How often do your pets die? Mine die very very rarely. Often times I forget they are even there (other than the buffs in my rotation, which is a problem for a pet class) and they stay alive. I want either higher potency so that if we die our dps will balance that out to make our risk/reward the greatest or the ability to not have to start completely over with our guage filler. I prefer not to lose my progress over the other option. Sustain is the absolute last thing I'm worried about.
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08-09-2017, 12:53 AMNeelaokay how so? its not our prime burst skill anymore - the pot was decreased and we still spam it as "filler" skill. so why exactly is the mana cost still that high? even a ruin proc 4 is way cheaper with higher pot so whats the deal with the current ruin 3? o.o A way to improve ruin at all would be making a r4 proc overwrite r2 giving it the instant character without swiftcast - that would make r4 at least interesting for bahamut trance. but it wouldn't solve the state of r3 in any manner...Quote:
Originally Posted by KarstenS
@Revan
Sustain matters because it's a lore problem from the scratch if a tank egi can't tank. Pot issues are "just"endgame problems - that's the difference. Sustain is not needed for savage but what most player forget is there is way more content u can spent your time on than just savage. -
08-09-2017, 01:21 AMAlberelIt's not even the difficulty. SMN is a DoT based job and DoTs have to deal more overall DPS to ever be balanced with burst damage. The trade off in balance terms is that RDMs and BLMs can deal high burst damage on demand whilst SMNs deal higher damage over longer periods of time. If SMN deals lower overall damage and it takes them longer to deal that damage with limited burst potential then the job is dead in the water because burst is always preferable otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valenten
It's not Sustain or potency increases, you know. We could have both. SCHs got both last patch when they saw adjustments across the board and got Miasma II back. There's no reason we couldn't have gotten Sustain back in addition to any other changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Revanslave