Is SE really going to repeat the foruma from 2.0 and 3.0???

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

You didn't touch upon anything beyond your own playstyle preferences. The devs need to consider the majority. People will not run content unless essentially bribed.

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I mean, I don't necessarily think having rewards is a bad thing as not everyone will enjoy a piece of content. But I think personally for me specifically having to be bribed means I don't really enjoy the content itself.

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Originally Posted by Damona

I've been also subbing less and less and at times I am already thinking about subbing only when a new xpac launches for the story. Permasubbing ffxiv is the most soulless and boring grind you can do to yourself since the gear is so damn meaningless and will be always replaced anyways.

If you truly want something to change, then get everyone to quit for 2-3 months and you'll see how talkative the devs will be. Wont happen either though since one can still pretend that its "good" right? Or "hope" that it will get better eh? I mean each to his own, I cant dictate anyone how to be happy and what to do with their free time, but sometimes I am amazed how this game stays alive so well with gear progression thats as shallow as it gets.

Vote with your wallet! ;3

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IMO it isn't just the gear grind that's the problem. I've played korean MMOs so I actually think the way FFXIV does it is better (but not perfect). The problem for me I think is just I don't enjoy the way FFXIV is designed. Because combat is so simple, "The current end-game battle system in FFXIV can be summarized in one word: mechanics. In a boss fight, you often feel like you're not actually fighting the boss but rather the fight-specifc mechanics (aka “gimmicks”)." (That link also talks about weekly lockouts.) Like when I got Titan Hard in Trials roulette once, I used healer LB3 once and Titan hit me. We killed it anyways but the fact that you can die so easily (especially if you get a lag spike or something) and can't be resurrected seems like such an annoying gimmick. I mean, I definitely think mechanics have a place in fights, but sometimes I feel like it's too mechanic-driven.

But meh, it's working for FFXIV so what can I say.

I would love to see the tome cap and loot locked tossed or highly modified. Tossed is my first choice. Highly modified would look more like 900 tome cap for tank/healer/dps. You must play the job to get tomes in the category. Same for Omega normal and savage loot. For now I feel stuck in the tank role for gearing even though I like both playing my drk, astro and blm. The game is so massive that at the end of HW when savage was unlocked and the tome cap was raised to 900 a week. I rarely hit the cap, I was able to farm A9S and A10S for a while. Yes many unsubbed until SB but that started mid January as players in my FC took time off to play other games while waiting for SB to come out.
Some weeks I am more motivated to hit tome cap and want to keep doing certain content. Other weeks I have played other games. Or just have other things to do. I am not a fan of miss a week fall behind. I don't feel it is healthy. Players should be able to take breaks and catch up rapidly when they come back a few weeks or month later.
As a crafter I liked the uncapped red and yellow scrips. Red scrips I do the casually as I feel like it. Yellow scrips are feeling useless as the basic crafted 290 gear was far better. Maybe they could add a crafted, crafting and gathering sets that use the yellow scrips. That would be nice.

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Originally Posted by YitharV2

I mean, I don't necessarily think having rewards is a bad thing as not everyone will enjoy a piece of content. But I think personally for me specifically having to be bribed means I don't really enjoy the content itself.

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Let's be honest. Who does enjoy running the same content repeatedly? The devs even acknowledged when they decided to allocate dungeons resources elsewhere for odd numbered patches. Unfortunately, developers as a whole, not simply FFXIV, cannot produce enough content relatively to have fast we consume it. I wager Omega-- both Normal and Savage-- took months of development and proper testing only for the hardcore players to down it in a day and the midcore gradually push through in the space of a month or so. Perhaps bribe is the wrong term, but any MMOs has to incentivize content players otherwise wouldn't bother with again lest new players be unable to progress or said veterans have nothing else to do.

And this isn't mean necessarily defending the system. I would love to be able to have all the jobs I enjoy playing geared and ready to tackle Savage, but it just isn't feasible on a long term basis from a business perspective. Personally, I don't mind the system. My current gear is a hodgepodge of 310-320 stuff barely melded and I manage. You can absolutely go into any content and clear.

If you say people enjoy it where did the 5million people go? Unofficial census shows they leaved without saying much just like people tell them too.

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Originally Posted by Princess_Momoka

I thought to myself hmm wouldn't it be something if it stopped at a 3rd one, be a weekly for that gear, only have about 2 months to pass by, have it uncapped while this causing to make it easier to get upgrades that lets you be even on the best gear in the game?

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So from what you are saying, you want SE to allow yourself to fully gear yourself in a day by mindlessly grinding the only two dungeons that exist?

Yea I agree, sounds really fun and exciting. I mean I would love nothing more then to gear myself up in a day and then have nothing to do for months on end. I also think it would make content extremely trivial and ensure that there is no challenge in the game whatsoever. I wish they would do this.

Thank you for your very insightful post.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Let's be honest. Who does enjoy running the same content repeatedly? The devs even acknowledged when they decided to allocate dungeons resources elsewhere for odd numbered patches. Unfortunately, developers as a whole, not simply FFXIV, cannot produce enough content relatively to have fast we consume it. I wager Omega-- both Normal and Savage-- took months of development and proper testing only for the hardcore players to down it in a day and the midcore gradually push through in the space of a month or so. Perhaps bribe is the wrong term, but any MMOs has to incentivize content players otherwise wouldn't bother with again lest new players be unable to progress or said veterans have nothing else to do.

And this isn't mean necessarily defending the system. I would love to be able to have all the jobs I enjoy playing geared and ready to tackle Savage, but it just isn't feasible on a long term basis from a business perspective. Personally, I don't mind the system. My current gear is a hodgepodge of 310-320 stuff barely melded and I manage. You can absolutely go into any content and clear.

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Yes, I understand this. So I'm not blaming them for not being able to produce unlimited content. I used to play TERA, and I think the difference is, the combat was fun enough that I didn't mind repeatedly doing the same dungeon over and over, although DPS usually got bored before I did. It's kind of interesting because it's the exact opposite here. Here DPS is equivalent or greater in terms of fun and engagement than tanking. Basically what I'm blaming them for is the design of the combat system itself. I would call it a bribe, and I do understand their reasoning. I don't think it's necessarily bad in itself to provide rewards for content (as most players wouldn't go into content without rewards). I just think the content itself can be improved.

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Originally Posted by Critical-Limit

If you say people enjoy it where did the 5million people go? Unofficial census shows they leaved without saying much just like people tell them too.

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It's 5 million accounts created. A number that means nothing. It's just there to look impressive to the masses.

What amazes me is all the people on the forums going on and on about how "other MMOs" are so much better, yet they are here complaining instead of playing these "better" MMOs.

I'll stick with FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Zarabeth

What amazes me is all the people on the forums going on and on about how "other MMOs" are so much better, yet they are here complaining instead of playing these "better" MMOs.

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Oh, I'm just waiting for a certain patch to remove certain RNG (+15 for example). I never said I was going to resub FFXIV. In other words, I'm just killing time here. I think I still have a week or two of sub time left, but meh, I have no desire to log in.

I'll just leave this and this here. I'll let you figure out which one can be done while watching Youtube/Netflix/Hulu/etc.

I think the biggest issue facing MMO gaming these days is the lack of content made to allow players to enjoy what they attain. Instead you have to continually grind for the next plateau as soon as you reach what you perceive to be the summit. This most likely feeds the opinion of capped tomes being a mistake for some. As for no complaints being leveled they are all I hear when people discuss the vertical progression that this game is known for. Maybe if more time was spent making unique mechanics ,and moves for encounters; not to mention arena types instead of making the mountain ever higher while you continually cut the rope of the people climbing it there wouldn't need to be so many threads complaining about such things. Then again what do I know...