Drop Rates of mounts from Extreme primals & Dungeons

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Originally Posted by SokiYagami

Eh, while I agree to your points, I suggest you read again my entire post which you quoted.

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I did read it. I just only commented on the first part (and quoted only first sentence) since some people might think the carrot is too far when mounts are added but forgetting that SE moves it closer.

So my post wasn't really directed to you personally, just took a statement you made and elaborated on it.

Sorry if that was unclear. The "you" in it was a "general you".

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Originally Posted by Miste

I did read it. I just only commented on the first part (and quoted only first sentence) since some people might think the carrot is too far when mounts are added but forgetting that SE moves it closer.

So my post wasn't really directed to you personally, just took a statement you made and elaborated on it.

Sorry if that was unclear. The "you" in it was a "general you".

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Ah, my apology. I guess we are on the same page then?

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Originally Posted by SokiYagami

Ah, my apology. I guess we are on the same page then?

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Yeah. We are.

I mean I can manage without the 99 token option personally. I haven't ever had to buy a mount with 99 yet and I have them all, but I can see why people need the 99 token due to extremely bad RNG.

I know someone in my static who lost over 20 rolls on one of the primal birds and had to buy with 99 tokens. 99 runs seems fair and it is an end of the line goal at least instead of possibly ending up where RNG is just being downright cruel.

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Originally Posted by SokiYagami

having a small artificial time gate is necessary in a sub-based MMO. I dare to wager thirty dozen Lalafells with you if the drop are change such that every player are guarantee the drop that they want upon clearing said content, the same people whocomplain about RNG right now will be the first to raise a new thread complaining about how the game is boring and having nothing to do in-game.

This is seriously just a small grind. Besides, for players who might be busy or simply can't handle the torture by RNJesus, it's not as if there's entirely no alternative path to gear upgrade for them. There's tome gear, crafted gear and (eventually) 24-man raid gear.

Of course if you have a wonderful suggestion that can lower the grinding yet keep enough people occupied, I'm all ears.

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No it isn't, that is basically admitting you can't make content then =/ this isn't the 1980s, come on now, things shouldn't be taking this long to do, esp when the development team said themselves it is not catered for those able to log in every day for 8+ hours at a time. You are basically saying it is a good thing people are not given enough time to do stuff in this game, and that isn't a good thing.

Supporting an outdated system is not a way to get needed changes, I do not know if i can link it but Sequelitis - Castlevania 1 vs. Castlevania 2, @4:31 time stamp explains the issue well, not sure if i can link it here because of the cursing but ya .. this isn't 1980s anymore, no reason to time gate people so badly they can't do the content. I guess not playing at all for some is better for those that has too much time for this game.

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Originally Posted by Miste

Yeah. We are.

I mean I can manage without the 99 token option personally. I haven't ever had to buy a mount with 99 yet and I have them all, but I can see why people need the 99 token due to extremely bad RNG.

I know someone in my static who lost over 20 rolls on one of the primal birds and had to buy with 99 tokens. 99 runs seems fair and it is an end of the line goal at least instead of possibly ending up where RNG is just being downright cruel.

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It isn't faair though it takes too much time

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“We’re not worried about the concurrent users. We look more to the daily active users and the monthly active users.”

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http://www.dualshockers.com/final-fa...ew-stormblood/

So this drop system is an oversight and needs to be addressed

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With Final Fantasy XIV our content is set up so that you can play in short time spans, logging in a little bit of time each day. Even if you take a break from the game, you can always come back and you still have a chance to catch up to those who are on the front lines. You can play very flexibly, so we believe that kind of system is not necessary.

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

No it isn't, that is basically admitting you can't make content then =/ this isn't the 1980s, come on now, things shouldn't be taking this long to do, esp when the development team said themselves it is not catered for those able to log in every day for 8+ hours at a time. You are basically saying it is a good thing people are not given enough time to do stuff in this game, and that isn't a good thing.

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I'd call it "a necessary evil".
You need to understand that there are people who are able and willing to play this game for several hours everyday - and thats impossible to keep them busy with fresh content all the time. Thats where the dev-team is running out of time.
And to keep those busy they're giving those incentives to re-run fights - and as I explained thats beneficial to casuals aswell, because they're getting people for their early runs.

This game is perfectly playable without putting in 8 hours a day because the game is perfectly playable without any of those special mounts. They are optional content for midcore/hardecore-people or even the dedictated casual (who spends 15 minutes per day on one run).
You dont need that wolf to play the game and I'm pretty sure thats what the devs are talking about when they're saying that we dont have to put in 8 hours a day: the only time/grind-gated stuff is cosmetic. Even the relic-weapon is only cosmetic for a casual player since there are other options available that are totally fine for the casual expert-roulette.
You can play the game without putting in 8 hours a day - you just cant have everything then. And those mounts are part of the "not meant for casuals"-content. I'm sorry if you missunderstood something there...

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Originally Posted by alimdia

10 runs is too many, they should give you all the possible drops within 1 clear, same with raids too, and while we're at it 1 expert roulette should give you enough tomestones to gear all 15 jobs. Wait nonono, that's too much work, make max ilvl gear be awarded upon finishing your job quests. "So what if it is easy to get? It will make the game more enjoyable for some people"

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Nah that's far too much work, when you buy stormb... No. You should be given stormblood for free and when you install it you'll get a thank you letter hand written by Yoshi P, you'll get max jobs, all mounts for free and a $100 gift card for the mog station.

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

gating something behind low RNG is not "special" all it is annoying and frustrating, it shouldn't exist. It is not "hard" to run something 99 times, it is just pointless time consuming.

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It isn't "Low RNG" you're voting against 7 other players lol, Its not like a gathering.

How about then, SE removes the "RNG" for you and instead for every boss kill you're given an item, lets say it looks like a book. Collect enough of these and you can just outright buy the mount with these books?

Is that better then RNG?

Who knows, you could technically defeat the boss on your first kill and get the mount on your first try. But you don't want RNG so is my idea better?

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

No it isn't, that is basically admitting you can't make content then =/

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Any MMO dev will likely admit that they can't make content at the pace at which the playerbase of said MMO consumes it.

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

no reason to time gate people so badly they can't do the content. I guess not playing at all for some is better for those that has too much time for this game.

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How are they unable to do the content that can possibly drop a mount? The mount isn't the content, the primal that's fought is the content.

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

It isn't faair though it takes too much time

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For you.

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

So this drop system is an oversight and needs to be addressed

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They addressed it by allowing players to buy them with totems, with the newest ones being added to the vendor after some time.

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

It isn't faair though it takes too much time

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Should relics take 1 day to finish?
Should we put Ao Dai on the NPC because it costs too much due to rarity?
Should tank mounts be 5 runs?

Glamours or mounts have always been like this. Early adopters have to put more effort into obtaining them.

The EX mounts seem like they follow their philosophy to me. They gradually increase the drop rate and it gets easier to do over time until it is easily farmable (rising ilvls, echo, then eventually unsync).

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

It isn't faair though it takes too much time

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It takes time, but it is obtainable and the time it takes to obtain gets lower and lower as SE keeps nerfing it as content gets older. Everything in this game takes time, some more than others true, but they cannot have everything take no time at all otherwise people won't be playing past day one of a patch. They need some things that take a bit of time to obtain and work on. Mounts are one of the few things in this game that require that.

Mounts, minions, and glamours, are collectables and are optional vanity items that do not need to be obtained to play the game.

Like I said I still had time to obtain primal birds even while doing an extensive college program and still maintain A+ grades all at the same time. If you don't put the effort in to try you'll never get anything.

So you have two options, put the effort in to try to farm when you can when they release, or wait until they nerf it and farm it then. Most people do not end up needing 99 runs to get the mount after they nerf the drop rate since the mounts end up dropping like 20% of the time. That's average 1 in 5 runs.

As I already mentioned 99 runs seems like a lot, but if you wait until the content is older you can overgear it and get multiple clears at a very quick pace.

For example if a fight that you overgeared later in a patch cycle took average 5 mins to clear you could get 12 clears in one hour...you could get the mount with just an hour a day within less than two weeks.

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Originally Posted by SokiYagami

While I can't speak for the entire playerbase, but I'm sure there are some players like me who just want the shiny stuff because we like it, not because it's rare and so we can become brag about it by afking on said item in the newest highly populated city. Aka, we don't give two shit about rarity, or rather, how some people think it should be rare just so they can brag about having it.

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I'm not necessarily talking about those who afk in some place with something rare, I'm talking about the whole experience, If everything gets handed to you eventually you won't feel it anymore. It's ok to desire something new and shiny but I don't agree to the pandering that's beign given. Are you sure you would feel compelled to any new thing if it's given so easily? I mean why rolling on the mount now at all when you can get it with 99 eventually (notice that you can actually extend this to raid loot and primal weapons).