The Raid community as we know it

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Originally Posted by AlexionSkylark

Actually, there are TONS of people out there who thinks they need to behave like the world-class raiders do, with the same ammount of toxicity and ill behavior, to clear stuff. You see it all the time in PFs and even some midcore and casual statics. It's absurd.

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Its the behavior they see, unfortunately. And alot of people defend it, so people respond like they have to be like the jerk on twitch, or constantly defend themselves from the slightest hint of criticism.

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Originally Posted by akaneakki

What? I mean it, the question is.. what?
There are more people who spread out bad play than ''toxic'' play that you say.

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The funny part is that I was once in a "debate" with Kisai where they were trying to promote the idea that regen was situational and a bad skill to use constantly because it generates too much enmity. I've been ignoring all of their posts and not taking anything they say about high-level play since that debate.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

The funny part is that I was once in a "debate" with Kisai where they were trying to promote the idea that regen was situational and a bad skill to use constantly because it generates too much enmity. I've been ignoring all of their posts and not taking anything they say about high-level play since that debate.

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Their video showed it too, medica spam on a dps that's not even close by.

I love xenos

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Originally Posted by MyaValentine

with this little amount of context into what you are talking I find it hard to know whats your point? toxic people being toxic? 1 person doesn't represent an entire community it's 2017 we should know this by now, still I don't understand what this has to do with the raiding community, there's nice people and toxic people on every side of every coin casual, hardcore, raiding or not. whatever this person did to trigger you should not blame a entire community because of him, that will make you no better than the person you are mad about.

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Extremely well said.

Seen plenty of casual a-holes and nice hardcores in my time as well.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

If a raid group kicks a player for any reason not direct attributed to making the game unbearable, that is griefing. Kicking people because they haven't got melded BiS gear, or certain achievements or minions is just plain griefing and people who do that are the ones who need to grow up.

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I'm curious why you think the other 7 party members can't decide who they want to play with in a premade party.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

There would be no problem with that if the hardcore raiders weren't spreading their toxic playstyle to the rest of the game and actively causing or encouraging people to quit the game so they can raid more "without those casuals causing a wipe"

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They do raid ""without those casuals causing a wipe"" because the players like that have their own statics.

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Originally Posted by Elim

I find some casuals to be more toxic, honestly. A decent amount of them are cry bullies or rip your face off while frothing at the mouth if you make a simple suggestion.

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It's either this or the more entertaining ones who think they're Yoshida's Pick for Raider of The Year and yet, they're the ones causing the wipes. Oopsy.

There are TONS of completely shitty toxic statics that will never clear a savage fight, as well as tons of super care bear statics that will clear the entirety of savage. People are different, and the point of a static is to build it with like-minded people. If you join a hardcore static and then refuse to meld BiS VI's into your gear, you're GOING to be kicked, and you have no right to be mad about it.

This game doesn't have a "raiding community". It has statics that are completely independent from one another. No person represents the raiding community because raiding is wildly different from static to static. They had Xeno on the podcast because he is a prominent youtube/twitch raider who has a large following in comparison to other FF raiders. Obviously people like how he does things, or he wouldn't be nearly as popular as he is. There are also tons of people who will never watch a video of his cause they think he's too harsh. Who cares? If you want a carebear static, go to the recruitment forums and look for a laid back midcore group. If you want to be the next xeno, start your own static and call everyone dumbasses.

I'm sure they appreciate the free advertising lol

There are certainly situations where if you want to make progress you have to speak up about what needs to be improved. I personally am overly critical of myself, if I screw something up everyone will know by the obscenities coming across their speakers lol. But a lot of times people simply don't realize they are messing up or that they could be doing such and such better, or they simply play it off hoping no one will notice. So you're only hurting yourself, and the group, if those kind of things aren't discussed. It doesn't have to be hateful or callous, and most of the time it's not. I would say, however, the closer you are as friends outside of raid, the higher your tolerance for trash talk will be.