Can we please get Mythic+ style dungeons in FF14?

While there are a lot of things from WoW I'd like to see implemented in XIV, M+ is not one of them. However, if they want to add something akin to old challenge modes that award cosmetics only, that's fine. I don't think low man content should compete with raid gear and this game does enough of that already.

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Originally Posted by Zarabeth

Please no, if you want to play WoW please go do that. I like to play FFXIV.

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If it wasn't for Warcraft, you'd still be stuck on Tanaka's Wild Ride. Get over yourself.

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Originally Posted by cporter

Mythic+ is a style of dungeons from WoW with no weekly limits. It allows you to do more difficult version of dungeons in game for loot, etc. Unlike most MMO content it can be done unlimited amount of times throughout the week and still receive rewards. For people like me that don't really enjoy crafting/gathering/leveling alts... I simply want some sort of PvE content I can do as much as I like and receive rewards from.

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Savage content was supposed to be difficult.
Floors 101+ in Palace of the Dead was supposed to be difficult.
Shinryu was supposed to be difficult.

Nothing is proven to be difficult in FFXIV as long as people stop forcing people to skip phases. You'd be surprised as to how many are STILL struggling with Shinryu because they never seen these same mechanics from previous fights.

Please no. WoW has many good feature, M+ is not one of them. They are not fun. They got boring as any other dungeon. Everybody only wants to run the fastest/most rewarding, so you feel just bad if you get your bad dungeon M+ Key.

Whats wrong with someone wanting actual expert/savage dungeons? Hes not asking for a 1 to 1 implementation of Mythic+ dungeons. We just need more options for harder small scale content besides (hopefully) the new deep dungeon.

There is nothing wrong with the concept of M+ dungeons or a similar system in FFXIV. Anyone spouting the line of "Hurr keep wow out of FFXIV" fails to understand that every single mmo borrows from another, they just reskin it, tweak it and call it something else. While M+ dungeons, especially +15 and higher are incredibly fun and skill based, It really wouldn't translate over to FFXIV very well without some major tweaking. I'd like to see them implement something more to keep dungeons relevant outside of verity farming and leveling/daily roulettes, but It would have to be vastly differen't from how M+ dungeons in wow work. I think they should focus more on making hard mode dungeons feel like they are actually challenging with very unforgiving mechanics if you screw up, add some incentive to either clearing it as fast as you can (not a timer) or a incentive based on how many deaths you had before/if you completed it.

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Originally Posted by Baci

Please no. WoW has many good feature, M+ is not one of them. They are not fun. They got boring as any other dungeon. Everybody only wants to run the fastest/most rewarding, so you feel just bad if you get your bad dungeon M+ Key.

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Subjective. I found them to be hands down the best feature of legion. M+ only feels like a gogogo aoefest if you're doing anything M+10 and below. Above 15+ it starts to get a lot more dangerous and fun. Try doing any dungeon at a +20 and if you think you're going to complete it by racing through aoe'ing everything down, you are in for a rude awakening.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Gordias is a poor example.

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Still part of the "difficulty" people asked for, poor example or not in your opinion.

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Originally Posted by Galgarion

The sad fact this got 31 upvotes is shameful. Not because it's a wow bash, but because there are 32 literate adults lurking on this forum who don't seem to realise that almost every aspect of FFXIV's gameplay was lifted from other MMO games.

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Any game made in the same genre lift things from each other. This is not new.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Nevertheless, why is it always a dichotomy? Asking for harder content doesn't have to mean soul crushingly difficult. When people ask for harder dungeons, they means imply dungeons we don't completely faceroll. Susano and Lakshmi EX are considered jokes. That doesn't mean they have to be bumped up to Brute Justice or Living Liquid levels. Letting the "devs be devs" is a nice sentiment but if the content bores, people will wind up not doing it.

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The answer is when this was asked to Yoshida, he made a point to say, "First you wanted harder content. We gave you Gordias. Then you said it was too hard." When it was brought up again in another panel, can't remember if it was Live Letter or the Fanfest or one of the cons, someone said the game was too easy. His response: "Good." These are literal quotes that have been said since the year turned 2017- you can find the proof in past videos. Yoshida cares about how clearable the content is in the game. Considering how abysmal the clear rates are for raids (7% highest in NA, 10% minimum JP), I don't blame him for making the game easier. Numbers show the majority of players simply don't have the skillset to handle harder content or just have no interest in doing that content.

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

Still part of the "difficulty" people asked for, poor example or not in your opinion.

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Actually I'd argue nobody asked for Gordias to be as hard as it was. It was deliberately overtuned due to the devs wanting to artificially make time for their vacation (not saying the vacation wasn't deserved). Exempting Gordias, you also have no proof at all that the people asking for more difficult content and the people asking for nerfs are the same people.

People who want Lakshmi EX to be an actual challenge are not the same people saying that the final boss is too difficult and needs to be nerfed.

I am against Mythic+ dungeons not because I don't think it would work but because I would rather see other types of difficult content besides dungeons. PoD's lower floors are a great example of a difficult challenge that can be rewarding (lots of folks haven't done that). The problem is people want hard content without increased time investment. It takes a while to clear down PoD, people get bored and want out, difficulty aside.

Someone earlier mentioned a 'Boss Rush'. That's something that could be challenging quick and fun.