Taking protect off your bar is fine as long as your partner healer keeps it, but it's a pain when someone dies somewhere and you can't get protect back on them. It does have an effect, and if you've ever seen someone survive by a sliver of life (and you should have by this point), that's likely protect in action.
It's already a pain keeping resurrected DPS alive in Susano EX party finders; it doesn't need to be made harder. Similarly swapping Esuna out when you don't need it is fine, but be sure you have it when you need it or there is no excuse. If you want to optimize then make sure you're responsible enough for it.
Please Please Please Remove Esuna From CrossRole
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07-04-2017, 10:56 AMLegoTechnic
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07-04-2017, 03:36 PMShaiThat 3 second wait! Oh no!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyperia
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I don't know why you guys keep throwing around the word "Mandatory" like you aren't a good healer if you don't have Protect or Esuna. In 8-man content there are two healers. There's no reason both need Protect or Esuna. You don't even need Esuna in a ton of instances. People complaining that you have to "take an action off/on" to cater to content obviously don't get the idea of Action Roles. They allow you to customize your tool kit to suit the content - or don't if you're lazy. Just keep Esuna 100% of the time and pretend it's "mandatory" but don't keep coming here whining that 1/5 actions is a must keep when it absolutely is situational.
It sounds like you want 5/5 to be "best" all the time so you don't have to think about it, but at the same time if it is "best" to have Esuna, it shouldn't be "optional" because it's "mandatory." -
07-04-2017, 03:45 PMtechnole
You can just use a protect-exchange macro button since there are commands like "/aaction Protect Off, /aaction Rescue on" to swap actions. I use it to get rescue in after casting protect in extreme trials. My other raid healers usually carry it, so it's kind of redundant.
Esuna is dependent on instance, some instances it's just a minor inconvenience rather than necessary. Like some early level dungeons it's easier to just let HoTs or Adlo heal a poison. But ones that are dependent on living, like A3S or Sastasha HM of course that's another swap you can use instead of "losing" a 5th skill that is more desirable.
I'm sure someone scratched their head on why i cast protect again after a pull. It's just so I get Esuna for this one fight, and I can hit another protect button to get the other skill like E4E or Rescue back. As long as the other skill isn't on cooldown. -
07-04-2017, 03:47 PMEloah
The whole Role Action thing wasn't as well thought out as I think SE thought. If it was as we thought that once you are that role and get access to those skills once you reach that level then yeah the Role System would be great... but the fact we have to choose is what makes it fall short, and for that fact that some of the skills are mostly useless, and others are "required" no matter what. As a SCH I can't use Eye for an Eye because the other skills i have on my bar are more important. I can understand making mistakes, but please SE admit that these changes aren't as good as you want us to believe. The Role System isn't as strong as it could of been and some jobs now are mind numbingly simple that its insulting. Please don't make us wait until 5.0 for a fix, if we get that far.
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07-04-2017, 03:53 PMtechnole
E4E was nerfed for Scholar because it has the cross-class cooldown now. Kind of bites considering how much of SCH kit was already neutered. I do have a Protect-E4E swap button, mainly for dungeons.
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07-04-2017, 06:26 PMSerildaDesigning content for people to use external guides or memorise when they do/don't need Esuna is clunky as heck. And while swapping abilities with keyboard/mouse is a trivial split-second thing, it's a pain on a controller (even using a macro is a pain on some keybind-starved jobs). They shouldn't be implementing content which forces people to fiddle around in the exact same update which specifically removed the need for doing so with low level sync and tiers of attack spells. I have no problem with other situational flavour abilities, like basically every DPS role skill and Rescue; if I want to swap things like that out to suit my mood it doesn't feel like I'm crippling my group noticeably the way I would be by screwing up with my cleanse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shai
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07-04-2017, 06:26 PMTashim
since you can't swap a role ability that is on cooldown, I use a macro to toggle between protect and esuna (neither of which has a cooldown).
Raids don't usually need esuna, and I can cast protect before combat. As for paralysis, there are potions for that. -
07-04-2017, 10:10 PMFannahThank you so much to remind it to people :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tashim
So many people talk about plenty of things without taking potions in count (except dps parsers of course...). I wish crafted potions where something that matter more, and it seems it's a bit more the case in this version. -
07-04-2017, 10:41 PMRiyshn4 minute cooldown. Saying DPS taking the role skill to remove DoTs is bad because of it's 2 minute CD, yet you'll advocate a 4 minute CD that directly competes with increasing damage output?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fannah
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07-05-2017, 05:24 AMThunda_Cat_SMASHWell, I mean, healers are expected to dps at all times, so the double standards have been here since 2.x. And... trust me when I say your Esuna is neither wanted or desired. Do more damage instead of wasting a GCD on a worthless action. Comparing an oGCD to a GCD results a net gain every time, unless you're trying to say a DPS using Feint or Invig is a DPS loss? :'3Quote:
Originally Posted by NolLacnala