Silver chest farming in PotD, harassed by speedrunners. (More ingored PvE harassment)

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03-28-2017, 11:22 AM
Atlaworks

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Originally Posted by BigRed5392

it more common then you think.

Play 10+ hours a day like my g/f does, and you will see how bad NA community can get. if you play less then 5hrs ofc you don't think it will be common though.

Oh no, I play with my girlfriend when I'm not working. Just the other day, I was running some trials with her and we got Steps of Faith, and the tank accused me and her of "buying our accounts" when we told him to chill after he flipped his lid one wipe in(No coordination for dragonkillers; happens, we had some new people).

So we kicked him because he was insulting literally everyone else there. If everyone else agreed, we'd just leave. Problem solved. No need for a forum topic with vaguely concealed rhetoric about a different subject at all. Everybody wins!
03-28-2017, 11:54 AM
Nixxe

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Originally Posted by BigRed5392

I see a lot of people don't get how potd seems to work, fresh players do need silver chests to move on, and the aether gear is how you attack. Screwing ppl outa chests just makes a person weaker. And you need to hit certain caps to move up each floor.

Als not all roles can solo the boss floors easily in low spec gear due to lack of silver chests, and your stuff isn't saved till you beat the boss floor.

People understand how it works. They don't care. They're not obligated to do what you want. I'm sorry if that sounds mean, but it's the reality. Have you tried politely asking? I've found most groups are pretty willing to accommodate if you simply tell them your intentions (and the intentions aren't unreasonable), or at the very least are willing to be patient while you wrap up your business on a given floor. If they really don't want to wait, oh well. You really shouldn't have too much of a struggle upgrading your aetherpool in time to progress, unless you're spending it mid-save file.
03-28-2017, 12:05 PM
Ama_Hamada

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Originally Posted by Vidu

One reason to run PotD isnt more valid or important than another one, therefor its up to the party to choose how thy want to play - and why do I have to repeat this so often?

This is wrong. You are telling me it is ok to greif a new player or a player that needs silvers just because people want to save 5 minutes atbest? That is very selfish. It is not right that 3 or 2 people stand at the gate going "if you dont speed run I will just afk here" since you are no longer speed running are you? You are just making the runs slower just because you want to defend toxic players? Then you reply to BigRed5392 and contradict yourself. So why are you on my case anyway?

It is not ok just because you have it all and grief the person that does not. The DF is not for "Maybe they'll have more luck the next run" plus you need to get enough silvers to be able to do the runs. So you are greifing people that need silvers by impeding their programs to save 5 minutes, that is beyond selfish. Speed runs should be in PF only while DF should be as intended, I believe yoshi-P said the same thing when the game was 50. (because back then people where ignoring new people/ min level geared and harassing them over it, especially when the "under geared" person was a healer. At that point it is not because the person did not want to speed run but was physically unable to.

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Originally Posted by dragonseth07

Speedrunners aren't griefing. One player refusing to cooperate with the 3 people who want to actually progress and intentionally delaying the run... That's another story.

Edit: Obviously, I wouldn't report a chest hunter for griefing, but do you see my point? You don't get to decide what play style is normal and what people should be doing. The community establishes normal, and speedrunners are the norm.

No i do not, see above why. When you get speed runners and silver needers in the same df, it is ALWAYS!! the speed runners greifing the chest people, saying they will afk, insult them with names or force fail the run because they do not get their way.
03-28-2017, 12:13 PM
LunarEmerald

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Originally Posted by BigRed5392

I see a lot of people don't get how potd seems to work, fresh players do need silver chests to move on, and the aether gear is how you attack. Screwing ppl outa chests just makes a person weaker. And you need to hit certain caps to move up each floor.

Als not all roles can solo the boss floors easily in low spec gear due to lack of silver chests, and your stuff isn't saved till you beat the boss floor.

Most speed runners will be running 51-60. Everybody should already have pretty adequate gear levels by then.
03-28-2017, 12:21 PM
Yeol

You're making it sound like speed runners are not picking up any silver chest at all. While in fact they do pick them if it was close by (Same room as key/portal or one they have just cleared from mobs).

If you want all silvers, speak up. You got rejected by majority? At least you tried. You are still getting other silver chests and they are getting their speed run.
If I was going for a speed run but had three other players that want silver chests I will for sure help them rather than wait at the portal.

Just because things are not going the way you want, doesn't mean it is bad. What's bad here is you thinking that you are always right and people should go out of their way to make you happy by playing the way you want, while you are not willing to do the same in return. That is selfish.
03-28-2017, 12:23 PM
Ama_Hamada

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Originally Posted by Yeol

You're making it sound like speed runners are not picking up any silver chest at all. While in fact they do pick them if it was close by (Same room as key/portal or one they have just cleared from mobs).

If you want all silvers, speak up. You got rejected by majority? At least you tried. You are still getting other silver chests and they are getting their speed run.
If I was going for a speed run but had three other players that want silver chests I will for sure help them rather than wait at the portal.

Just because things are not going the way you want, doesn't mean it is bad. What's bad here is you thinking that you are always right and people should go out of their way to make you happy by playing the way you want, while you are not willing to do the same in return. That isselfish.

All the speed runners me and my friend ran into (and all the speed runners that did the harassing) ignored ALL chests, even if they ran right next to the thing. I am making it sound the exact thing I experienced.

I explained before in my last post, ALL people need to agree to speed run when used the duty finder, PF is a different story. So if you DF and 3/4 people want to speed run while the 4th wants to do it normal, then the 3 are greifing the 1 especially when the 3 (or 2 v2 pairs) you force them to speed run (I am afking if you dont speed run) or MPK/fail the run them because you want to speed run or insult them when you want to speed run if they can't for whatever reason. (Would you try force someone to speed run a 50-60 when they have say 22 arm and 14 armor?)

Impeding someone's progress because you want to save 5 mins is selfish.
03-28-2017, 12:28 PM
Valkyrie_Lenneth

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

All the speed runners me and my friend ran into (and all the speed runners that did the harassing) ignored ALL chests, even if they ran right next to the thing. I am making it sound the exact thing I experienced.

I explained before in my last post, ALL people need to agree to speed run when used the duty finder, PF is a different story. So if you DF and 3/4 people want to speed run while the 4th can't for whatever reason, you are greifing the 4th. the DF was not intended to force speed running on people.

Impeding someone's progress because you want to save 5 mins is selfish.

Actually, there are no rules in DF, it has no set way of how things are. It goes by what the majority want. You can't expect other people to speak up, you have to. If no one else in the group had a problem, then thats the way it goes.
03-28-2017, 12:28 PM
Yeol

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

All the speed runners me and my friend ran into (and all the speed runners that did the harassing) ignored ALL chests, even if they ran right next to the thing. I am making it sound the exact thing I experienced.

Actually they pick up chests because the want items. Items help clear things faster. They are even going for the Hoard and using items to make mobs drop chests.
I don't know how unlucky you were with that run but that is something I have yet to face myself.
03-28-2017, 12:42 PM
Nixxe

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Originally Posted by Yeol

You're making it sound like speed runners are not picking up any silver chest at all. While in fact they do pick them if it was close by (Same room as key/portal or one they have just cleared from mobs).

It depends. If it's not obvious to me that anyone in the group needs silvers, I tend to just never click them for any reason since if we're all capped it's just going to be a mimic or an explosion or a waste of time. Granted, I'll usually ask if anyone needs silvers first in that scenario.
03-28-2017, 12:45 PM
Yeol

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

It depends. If it's not obvious to me that anyone in the group needs silvers, I tend to just never click them for any reason since if we're all capped it's just going to be a mimic or an explosion or a waste of time. Granted, I'll usually ask if anyone needs silvers first in that scenario.

It does depend but in most of my runs, always see healers or ranged picking them up while tanks and melee are pulling mobs.
I also notice what weapon each party member is carrying :)

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