Weird english

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Originally Posted by Yasuhiro

"pray seek" "is aught amiss" "Come for succor"

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I think you're misunderstanding why they have some characters talk like that.

For Minfilia? It's meant to give her an air of both politeness and sophistication. Generally the more "sophisticated" or "refined" a character is meant to be, the more frequently they use words like succor and phrases like "is aught amiss" or "pray seek" (Alphinaud is another that often says things in that manner, and it's meant to be set him apart as one of scholarly upbringing). Rougher or less refined characters tend to not use those phrases...which reaches its ultimate form in those like Jacke or other Lominsans who use a pirate-like dialect, meant to indicate their typical lack of sophistication and schooling.

It's not meant to just say "Hey, our localization is different and flowery" it's meant to help show differences in different types of characters through the use of language (namely dialect, slang, and vocabulary). It's a subtle hint (or in some cases, not so subtle) at differences in social status in the world of Eorzea. There are plenty of examples of similar differences in English alone in any number of the countries that use it as a primary language, and I'd be willing to be there's similar differences in the types of words used (or how they are said) in many other languages, including Japanese.

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Originally Posted by Berethos

It's not meant to just say "Hey, our localization is different and flowery" it's meant to help show differences in different types of characters through the use of language (namely dialect, slang, and vocabulary).

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I watched Koji Fox talk about the medieval theme during the Fan Fest. He was explaining why the dueling circle is called "the dueling circle" even tho its a SQUARE. He said because the English localization is meant to have that medieval theme its meant to sound exactly what it sounds like so because medieval is the center theme "dueling circle" makes sense more even tho its a square.

Look this is how it is and that is the goal with the English Localization.

I just watched that video again to see that question during Fan Fest and even Yoshi P is like "Its a square.... Circle... WHY?"

If anyone here is interested in seeing what I'm talking about goto the FFXIV Twitch channel and goto the timestamp: "29:45" to see what I mean.

Link to Twitch FAN FEST Q&A

"at least in the English version"
"we go out of our way to not use modern terms"

fail

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Originally Posted by AshlikeSnow

I watched Koji Fox talk about the medieval theme

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What he actually said was that they like to use older terms and go out of their way to not use modern terms (and I just rewatched it to make sure).

At no point did he talk about their being a medieval theme they use or adhere to - he did mention that the specific instance of that naming - Dueling Circle - came from a particular inspiration, and that inspiration does happen to be medieval. A variety of item names almost certainly have a similar inspiration, though those items probably should as those items are clearly inspired in design by those medieval items (weapons and armor being the most common example). But no, he doesn't talk about a medieval theme, he talks about their predilection for using terms that aren't modern.

Oh, that's hilarious. In trying to make your point you just reinforced mine.

They don't have a medieval theme for the dialog. They simply avoid using modern terms. Not modern does not mean medieval. Phrases popular in the 1870s? Not modern. Phrases popular in the 1750s? Not modern. Phrases popular in the 1910s? Not modern. None of those are medieval, and I can almost certainly find an example of dialog that fits any of those criteria.

Noticing a trend?

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Originally Posted by Berethos

What he actually said was that they like to use older terms and go out of their way to not use modern terms (and I just rewatched it to make sure).[/B]

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Where in history are their dueling circles?? Medieval history specifically what is called "Holmgang" also an ability in FFXIV for Paladin yes? "Holmgang" describes a duel with in a stone circle.

"Holmgang is a duel practiced by early medieval Scandinavians"

I don't understand how your not seeing it??

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Originally Posted by AshlikeSnow

I completely agree, some of it can just be over the top.

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In Koji's defense though (and I'm in full agreement with you btw about the localization.)
He atleast talks to people so what he changes isn't entirely random, there's worse localization companies out there like Nis America who one of their former localizers admitted to just adding text or changing dialouge at his own leisure because he thinks he knows better or just wanted to add something else for spice.

Nis America was what got me to learn Japanese years ago because I was getting a bit sick of finding out that what I was reading wasn't actually what was being said for the most part. So I suppose I'll thank them for that :p

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Originally Posted by AshlikeSnow

Where in history are their dueling circles?? Medieval history specifically what is called "Holmgang" also an ability in FFXIV for Paladin yes?

"Holmgang is a duel practiced by early medieval Scandinavians"

I don't understand how your not seeing it??

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If someone (well, two people) can practice 'Holmgang' in this day and age, then what is your argument?

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Originally Posted by Nestama

If someone (well, two people) can practice 'Holmgang' in this day and age, then what is your argument?

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All I am saying is that the English version of XIV is based of a medieval theme and now the poster "Berethos" is saying that it is not? Even tho there are clear and present references to medieval themes like "Holmgang" being originated in medieval times and also used as an ability for Paladins, translating Dueling Square to Dueling Circle. The over the top Medieval speech that makes the English experience much different. That's the only point I've had with all my post. Its a much different game in english then the original.

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Originally Posted by AshlikeSnow

Where in history are their dueling circles?? Medieval history specifically what is called "Holmgang" also an ability in FFXIV for Paladin yes? "Holmgang" describes a duel with in a stone circle.

"Holmgang is a duel practiced by early medieval Scandinavians"

I don't understand how your not seeing it??

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Where in history? Why, in medieval times...just like I mentioned in the part of my post you snipped out (little tip - if you're only responding to part of my post, you're going to keep making mistakes like this).

But my point was that he doesn't actually talk about their localization having to have a medieval theme, which is what you specifically claimed he said. He only says they don't use modern terms, that's it.

Obviously some of those are going to be old enough to be from medieval times, but many others are going to come from the centuries following the medieval period, and some will even come from the centuries before that...and at no point does he ever say they have a medieval theme they have to adhere to (which, again, was your claim).

Maybe you're the one not seeing it. There's a lot of nuances to what is said in English that can be missed by a non-native speaker, after all.

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Originally Posted by AshlikeSnow

All I am saying is that the English version of XIV is based of a medieval theme and now the poster "Berethos" is saying that it is not? Even tho there are clear and present references to medieval themes like "Holmgang" being originated in medieval times and also used as an ability for Paladins, translating Dueling Square to Dueling Circle. The over the top Medieval speech that makes the English experience much different. That's the only point I've had with all my post. Its a much different game in english then the original.

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It's not. It's based on not using modern terms.

That. Is. It.

Some of those will be medieval terms, many of them won't be that old but still won't be modern.

And really, if they were going with a medieval theme, we'd have things like this:

Ye seken lond and see for your wynnynges,
As wise folk ye knowen all th'estaat
Of regnes; ye been fadres of tydynges
And tales, bothe of pees and of debaat.

That, ladies and gents, is from Chaucer's Canterbury Tales. That is actual medieval speech.

What you're thinking is Medieval is nothing more than the kind of fantasy speak used by authors like Tolkien, who might I remind everyone published his LOTR trilogy in the 1950s and wrote in a style of prose that belonged in the first half of the 1900s...not the 1400s.

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Originally Posted by Berethos

It's not. It's based on not using modern terms.

That. Is. It

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I can't write down more then 1000 characters. It absolutely is based on mideval themes. Again holmgang being an example. And it's not how it is in the original work was done. Not sure how you can't see it.