tanks not using cooldowns?

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Originally Posted by Jamillion

Well, I'm glad you said it and not me, I'd be likely to get myself banned again. But yeah, that's some top-notch scrub play only using cooldowns at 10%

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I'm only calling them out because they're calling everyone else bad, and they're rude especially when everyone else is telling them they're wrong. Otherwise it would have been a calm exchange of ideas. So if I'm banned, even though I didn't call anyone names (unless calling someone bad, or terrible qualifies as such), I hope they get penalized as well for doing the exact same thing.

I have one question? <<<<<--- not that question. Why is this turing into a negative thread? Can anyone answer that?Please note my sarcasm.

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Originally Posted by Jukebox12

I have one question? <<<<<--- not that question. Why is this turing into a negative thread? Can anyone answer that?Please note my sarcasm.

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Because it's the internet and very few can debate without being negative and/or hostile.

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Originally Posted by rockint

In 4 mans, using vengeance at 98% HP while I'm getting healed and using vengeance at 10% HP while the healer is casting stone are WORLDS different. If you can't see why, you're a bad tank. Keeping cooldowns up with my usual healer, though, is different. Parry cooldowns can also stack with avoidance. At 10% HP, any self heals are WAY more important than they are at 90%.

Cooldowns aren't something you use "just because" they're for survival with bad healers, not so bad healers can win on dps.

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No...CDs should be used to allow for the healer to not have to spam Cure II and save their mana healing you. Not to blow them at 10%HP. Because you will most likely die even if the healer isn't in cleric stance. It's happened to me before and I have learned from it...you should too after so many deaths that you have had.

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Originally Posted by iAmScallywag

Because it's the internet and very few can debate without being negative and/or hostile.

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It was a rhetorical question.

I know this is bad but as a BLM main I've learned to deal with bad tanks. I'm one of those casual BLM who did not get quelling strikes because of it. When tanks want to open in dps stances I open with huge burst to force them back into tank stance. When tanks pull mobs and don't use tank stance or cool downs, I slow down my dps and drag on.

I know this is bad but as a BLM main I've learned to deal with bad tanks. I'm one of those casual BLMs who did not get quelling strikes because of it. When tanks want to open in dps stances I open with huge burst to force them back into tank stance. When tanks pull mobs and don't use tank stance or CDs, I slow down my dps and drag on. If I'm healing and your not using cooldowns then I will simply leave or vote kick but not before I kindly offer advice. If the tank if competent then I will watch my aggro and cooperate as a dps/healer. Cooperation is met with cooperation. Tanks who use dps stance in parties where dps outgears you and your not using CDs to supplement is unforgivable.

Everyone's bad in duty finder with the rare exceptions. Dps is lazy, tanks won't pop cool downs, and healers think they can dictate the party. I've played all roles in dungeons and I've seen it all.
Will say though when you get a decent partner they really shine. I'm typically healer for tome farm and I usually say "pull as much as you want" (can heal/nuke at same time with my ilvl regardless of baddies), and until recently no one truly pulled everything. Was great, we got up to the first boss in 5 minutes... Something I haven't seen in forever

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Originally Posted by Aaliyahrose

No...CDs should be used to allow for the healer to not have to spam Cure II and save their mana healing you.

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Yes, WHEN YOU KNOW 100% THAT YOUR HEALER WILL HEAL YOU WHEN NEEDED. When I get hit by a tank buster, and 1 healer is healing a dps, the off-tank isn't taunting, and the other healer is DPSing, I'm sure using those cooldowns at 90% during low damage so the healer could get some extra DPS in is going to do wonders for me when I'm a hit from being killed. So I die and we wipe, but at least I used up my self-heals and other cooldowns while I was at almost full HP because healer DPS.

Sorry, there's a strategy to using cooldowns effectively.

Iou want pug tanks using cooldowns more liberally, stop giving reasons to save them. When I drop to 10% HP and have no cooldowns to use because they're all on cooldown because you just had to do more damage, guess what, we wipe.

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Originally Posted by rockint

Yes, WHEN YOU KNOW 100% THAT YOUR HEALER WILL HEAL YOU WHEN NEEDED. When I get hit by a tank buster, and 1 healer is healing a dps, the off-tank isn't taunting, and the other healer is DPSing, I'm sure using those cooldowns at 90% during low damage so the healer could get some extra DPS in is going to do wonders for me when I'm a hit from being killed. So I die and we wipe, but at least I used up my self-heals and other cooldowns while I was at almost full HP because healer DPS.

Sorry, there's a strategy to using cooldowns effectively.

Iou want pug tanks using cooldowns more liberally, stop giving reasons to save them. When I drop to 10% HP and have no cooldowns to use because they're all on cooldown because you just had to do more damage, guess what, we wipe.

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...and nothing of what you're saying means all healers are like that, or that it's impossible to dps as a healer without it becoming the situation you're talking about.