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    tanks not using cooldowns?

    mostly on mobs. On hard hitting mobs I remind them and only some use them afterwards (most I've seen use them and forget). I even got yelled at for asking while trying to do Holy spam. He told me to heal better and proceeded to slow the run down by stopping and waiting awhile before each pull. Is there something i'm missing or? I've nonstop have been getting this on expert and lower level'd dungeons. I get that expert is a joke when it comes to damage, but if you aren't stance dancing then thats somewhat lazy.

    they are going through whole dungeons not using them.
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    Last edited by Gameplayzero; 03-23-2016 at 12:50 PM.

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    Tanks should be using CDs to increase their group effectiveness in dungeons it means you get to DPS more and helping make the run go smoother. You're not doing anything wrong the tanks you get should be using CDs it's really really glaring when you run with a tank that uses their CDs effectively VS one that doesn't. Good tanks rotate their CDs bad tanks don't use any.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gameplayzero View Post
    mostly on mobs. On hard hitting mobs I remind them and only some use them afterwards (most I've seen use them and forget). I even got yelled at for asking while trying to do Holy spam. He told me to heal better and proceeded to slow the run down by stopping and waiting awhile before each pull. Is there something i'm missing or? I've nonstop have been getting this on expert and lower level'd dungeons. I get that expert is a joke when it comes to damage, but if you aren't stance dancing then thats somewhat lazy.

    they are going through whole dungeons not using them.
    I dislike most duty finder tanks. They're not receptive to constructive, politely worded critiques, they don't use good judgement, and their situational awareness is often poor. The solution is to become a tank yourself and never deal with their ilk again. Want to be a big man in your free company? Popular with strangers? Want to get your daily dungeons knocked out of the way at a pace of your choosing? Want to get a group for the most popular content at a speed that'll make you say "wuuuuuut?" Choose the path of the meat shield. Jooooooin us.
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    Last edited by Galgarion; 03-23-2016 at 01:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galgarion View Post
    I dislike most duty finder tanks. They're not receptive to constructive, politely worded critiques, they don't use good judgement, and their situational awareness is often poor. The solution is to become a tank yourself and never deal with their ilk again. Want to be a big man in your free company? Popular with strangers? Want to get your daily dungeons knocked out of the way at a pace of your choosing? Want to get a group for the most popular content at a speed that'll make you say "wuuuuuut?" Choose the path of the meat shield. Jooooooin us.
    warrior is my secondary so it does work out when the times call for it lol. Usually using it when queue times for healers are too long (which they have been lately). But yeah DF tanks can be interesting. Pulling everything, not popping cooldowns, and yelling at healers when they die I guess is the new meta from what i've heard from some people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galgarion View Post
    I dislike most duty finder tanks. They're not receptive to constructive, politely worded critiques, they don't use good judgement, and their situational awareness is often poor. The solution is to become a tank yourself and never deal with their ilk again. Want to be a big man in your free company? Popular with strangers? Want to get your daily dungeons knocked out of the way at a pace of your choosing? Want to get a group for the most popular content at a speed that'll make you say "wuuuuuut?" Choose the path of the meat shield. Jooooooin us.
    Then you get to deal with bad DPS and can't compensate much for it anymore with the recent nerfs.

    The only thing worse than a tank that doesn't pop cooldowns is 2 DPS who have no clue what they're doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adire View Post
    Then you get to deal with bad DPS and can't compensate much for it anymore with the recent nerfs.

    The only thing worse than a tank that doesn't pop cooldowns is 2 DPS who have no clue what they're doing.
    This is the main reason I play DPS over a Tank in FFXIV. Most content can be cleared with a terrible tank and often quickly. Bad dps will either slow content way down or make it impossible.

    Tanks not using Cooldowns on trash annoy me as much as ranged dps not using LBs on trash. Very few bosses in dungeons do anything really dangerous to the tank but large groups of little critters is pretty deadly and the most common reason for wipes in my experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galgarion View Post
    I dislike most duty finder tanks. They're not receptive to constructive, politely worded critiques, they don't use good judgement, and their situational awareness is often poor. The solution is to become a tank yourself and never deal with their ilk again. Want to be a big man in your free company? Popular with strangers? Want to get your daily dungeons knocked out of the way at a pace of your choosing? Want to get a group for the most popular content at a speed that'll make you say "wuuuuuut?" Choose the path of the meat shield. Jooooooin us.
    Then you have to deal with the idiot DPS who only use their damage combo, and never apply any debuffs / dots, or who run away from any wide AoE instead of stunning and carrying on with DPS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gameplayzero View Post
    mostly on mobs. On hard hitting mobs I remind them and only some use them afterwards (most I've seen use them and forget). I even got yelled at for asking while trying to do Holy spam. He told me to heal better and proceeded to slow the run down by stopping and waiting awhile before each pull. Is there something i'm missing or? I've nonstop have been getting this on expert and lower level'd dungeons. I get that expert is a joke when it comes to damage, but if you aren't stance dancing then thats somewhat lazy.

    they are going through whole dungeons not using them.
    Been seeing it constantly by level 60 tanks on their leveling roulette while leveling MCH and AST recently. I remind them. I track their cooldowns and eventually build sound effects for when their different CDs would be available again and would be ideal to use. I'll tell them ahead of time as we run to the next pull how much dps I intend to do, and how I could do considerably more with no loss to their current or my future dps if they actually blow their CDs. If they get annoyed and leave, the MNK or DRG tend to be able to take very nearly about the same rate of damage while we proceed for a couple minutes without a tank. Otherwise, they actually start using mitigation to shut me up.

    (I've gotten to the point where I can hold conversations without being late a single GCD, probably half due simply to dealing with bad tanks.)

    The worst though is when you get those Warriors who like to open in Deliverance and can barely hold threat in single-target, and say that it's worth it for their dps, when they aren't Overpowering against 5 mobs, and I could otherwise be spamming Gravity...

    Sorry.
    /vent

    tldr; you're perfectly in the right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post



    The worst though is when you get those Warriors who like to open in Deliverance and can barely hold threat in single-target, and say that it's worth it for their dps, when they aren't Overpowering against 5 mobs, and I could otherwise be spamming Gravity...
    That sounds far more hilarious than it should be lol. But yeah its one thing when tanks are open to advice and use them afterwards (I had this once and it was amazing), but getting to lvl 60 and doing it? Most of the time these tanks will also only use cooldowns only when their health gets low, then go right back to derping.
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    Last edited by Gameplayzero; 03-23-2016 at 02:53 PM.

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    Taka Karasu
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    I agree with u with deliverance stance, i make sure i build up enough aggro so i.am sure i can stay in dps stance and supportt dps and use thrill of battle and convenlance how ever u write that and dfs. Ive met WAR only in deliverance and fucked up real bad as they could not hold aggro.
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