FFXI-2?

Also, I'd take FFXI-2 over what we have in a heartbeat. Vana'diel was a fantastic setting and XI took advantage of many great innovations that other MMOs still haven't been able to replicate (multi-class characters, cinematic story experience, a sense of adventure).


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Originally Posted by Frein

Those were not the fatal mistakes. The fatal mistakes were:

1) Outsourcing much (most?) of the coding to incompetent Chinese developers.
2) Tanaka greenlighted horrible design.

We're one year past launch and the game still can't hold a candle to its competitors, so a longer beta would not have saved it. The fact that YoshiP has to tear everything down means the design was a failure, not that the beta was too short. Your design should be 95% complete by the time you launch a beta, but instead us testers had to tell them which parts of their mess were salvageable and which needed to be completely redone. Of course they couldn't do it and the game launched in miserable state.

Also, I'd take FFXI-2 over what we have in a heartbeat. Vana'diel was a fantastic setting and XI took advantage of many great innovations that other MMOs still haven't been able to replicate (multi-class characters, cinematic story experience, a sense of adventure).

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Yeah tearing down, rebuilding systems,remodeling systems, tuning and tweaking systems is why the wait is going to take so long for the game to feel smooth and responsive as well as the basic feature that are much needed, i'm not sure all of what they have to do because i don't know all the systems at play, i've learned alot about MMORPGs from the development side from this game and i think thats the biggest thing i can take away from this game at this point.

The way it looks though it seems like they are doing things in the form of one at a time, like battle reform and content then UI remodeling (maybe they are working on this now) they said they need to get animation vector/speed system right, I read in a translation they will need to move characters to newly designed servers (this might have already happened i'm not sure) the server latency issues, and PC crystal tools engine optimization. Just a big mess and alot of waiting for them to get to it.

Call it what you like, some people get sensitive over the name/title, the point is simply to bring the Goodness of XI into XIV with XIV's own flavour, which btw would naturally be the case.

Some people are almost ready to get a heart stroke coz they're so scared it will turn into XI.
Reality check, it will never be XI. It's a different game with different developers, different story and lore, different battle system, the list goes on.

The point is simply to bring XIV to the standard XI lived up to. That's it.

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Originally Posted by Cendres

No. It's a pretty girl in a dress, get over it.

edit: Your 'problem' has been solved, though I still wonder what is wrong with people's coworkers/bosses that can't handle the image of a dress. Really. Are you even supposed to be on forums at work?

On topic, I want a new FF game at this point, I just don't care as long as I'm having fun.

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?? That's your opinion. She looks homely to me and I'd rather see it gone, get over it.

i've been thinking...since this game will be FFXIV and will be completely different from original FFXIV, they should also resume the beta test of original one. The game is pretty much "complete" to go straight to a beta test and, if this one is FFXIV, the original one could just become a spin-off game from FFXIV...FF already got so many spin-offs...same lore, different games/stories...maybe leaving the original FFXIV at 3rd or 5th Umbral era...chronologicaly far enough to make the stories completely unrelated.

After all its interesting for SE to keep players, no matter if they love e-peens or the Sims ^^: I would gladly quit this FFXIV and go back to original one, even it was in beta phase still...and i bet that, even if minority, many others would too...because not everyone liked FFXI and not everyone is liking/approving these changes...so this would be a win-win deal...those supporting the current FFXIV could stick with it, those who prefered the original one would move to it...it would not only bring peace to both communities but also lessen the burden on current dev team regarding not pleasing a beef of the playerbase.

Its like i said earlier...i just wanted the game i bought (and loved so much)...even if it was downgraded to a spin-off title.

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Originally Posted by Lienn

i've been thinking...since this game will be FFXIV and will be completely different from original FFXIV, they should also resume the beta test of original one. The game is pretty much "complete" to go straight to a beta test and, if this one is FFXIV, the original one could just become a spin-off game from FFXIV...FF already got so many spin-offs...same lore, different games/stories...maybe leaving the original FFXIV at 3rd or 5th Umbral era...chronologicaly far enough to make the stories completely unrelated.

After all its interesting for SE to keep players, no matter if they love e-peens or the Sims ^^: I would gladly quit this FFXIV and go back to original one, even it was in beta phase still...and i bet that, even if minority, many others would too...because not everyone liked FFXI and not everyone is liking/approving these changes...so this would be a win-win deal...those supporting the current FFXIV could stick with it, those who prefered the original one would move to it...it would not only bring peace to both communities but also lessen the burden on current dev team regarding not pleasing a beef of the playerbase.

Its like i said earlier...i just wanted the game i bought (and loved so much)...even if it was downgraded to a spin-off title.

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I liked the previous rendition also, but "loved so much" is a bit of a stretch for me. Basically I just saw the original FFXIV as having way more potential.

This new direction for FFXIV is just crap, sorry, but it is.

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Originally Posted by weeble

aww while i agree in hating corprate world and what ever else that forced this game to launch early and fail, i think weither tanaka fault or not his concepts for the game were waaaay better then yoshi's.

if u can't tell by now yoshi is just a yes man, yes sir for the big boys to make there money, yes sir to getting everyone to at least play to pay for awhile. weather there is some good stuff or not, there was really good stuff in tanaka's too. they just never were finished. they will give everyone what they want now cause they gotta and it don't make for better game, it just means more of the babies got there bottles.

tanaka the man, yoshi the man ...same thing to me. but the difference in alot of what was in the games then and now, they are hugely different.

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

What is happening to this forum?

Suddenly everyone is agreeing with me.

I guess the Yoshi-P novelty has finally worn off.

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

Novelty is all he's got.

Novelty over substance.

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Originally Posted by Lienn

I'm still waiting to see what Yoshida has in mind...until now all i saw was a bunch of copy/paste from FFXI.

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

I liked the previous rendition also, but "loved so much" is a bit of a stretch for me. Basically I just saw the original FFXIV as having way more potential.

This new direction for FFXIV is just crap, sorry, but it is.

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-points at a previous post talking about overhaul of game-

-points at sig-

-points at myself, then at you, and shakes head-

I'm sure you understand.

Devs don't read the english forums and the mods and translators, bless them, probably don't bother relaying anything I say.

Then I'm surprised that the dev marker has been consistently appearing on a few topics here and there. Perhaps those "devs" are actually Chinese hackers. Hmmmm.

Either way, that's not an excuse for how you're treating Yoshi-P. At least provide something more constructive rather than; "Novelty is all he's got" and "new direction is crap". I can't really see devs getting much feedback on to how they can go about it from such statements, can they? Just because you're upset or in disagreement with a few options does not mean that we can take it all out on Yoshi. Spare him; he's only human.

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

I liked the previous rendition also, but "loved so much" is a bit of a stretch for me. Basically I just saw the original FFXIV as having way more potential.

This new direction for FFXIV is just crap, sorry, but it is.

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Says the dude with a R1 character who never played the game...