Healers doing damage

what people expect and what a healer is effectively in a position to do in any given instance/dungeon/hunt/group/party whatever is entirely circumstancial and depends on the others as much as yourself. There cannot be a rule set in stone. Why people want to make out of a any given job a machine job...everything depends on many factors that are on you and/or others. Saying should/must means qwats in my opinion...people should be able to analyze a situation and just go with it rather then say ohh now I want to dps and just forget of the rest....is like saying I want to hit the Boss and dont care of adds, well you can say so and do so but the entire party will wipe...there is a place and a time for everything but nothing is set on stone.

Just me though
Mei

Not max level yet with my new character (26 Conjurer), but so far I'll dps if the party can handle the stuff. If people take a lot of damage, I'll heal full power. But if not necessary I throw out an Aero and some Stones :)

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Originally Posted by Lyzern

Did they raise the cap yet? :o

Also, please stop telling me to change FC, they are my friends despite disagreeing with me. I will join a static for that kind of thought process.

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Friends don't hold friends back!!!

The ability to swap between cleric during pulls and sneak in DoT / give real help with DPS checks during trials is why WHM actually became one of my favorite roles in the game. It's dynamic, and the better you are at healing, the better/stronger you are at DPSing.

After playing endgame BRD, BLM and PLD, WHM is easily the most engaging class i've played thus far.


Your FC is a bit silly for thinking that BTW. Unless Cleric stance is getting people killed, I don't see how effective use of it is anything but a plus. If the party is in no immediate danger of being killed, what's the point in wasting MP overhealing, or doing nothing, when you could become a 5th source of DPS?

In many cases the most engaging part of healing is doing the stance dance :)

Healing 8 man content with my FC my co healer and I coordinate a lot of our cooldowns including cleric stance usage etc. You wipe at 1% on fights a few times and you start squeezing in dps when healing isn't needed. It becomes habit and next thing you know... You are always doing it. Helping push phases /healerflex

Healers should totally do damage as long as they can get away with it. If they aren't doing damage it is like a DPS not doing a proper rotation. Just makes things take longer for no reason.

I like to swap to cleric and help out, especially if the dps are newer or we don't have many ranged for adds on add heavy fights (since it seems melee do better sticking to the boss anyway). As long as no one dies, it's cool. HOLY however is awesome and I use it all the time simply to get the stun on large pulls --- it gives the tank (who normally runs away and apparently doesn't want stoneskin) a few moments of breathing room.

If I'm feeling lazy, I don't dps. But that's not too often since the dungeons get boring if I'm just healing.

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Originally Posted by Staris

its not 8 solo players, its a team effort

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People who come from other MMORPG's appear to be under the belief that it's 8 solo players. Particularly players who came from open-world PvP games. Because in these games a Healer is the punching bag, so nobody plays them. I actually hear of this problem in FFXIV with the PvP content as well, and I've never played the PvP content because of this.

If you're playing FFXIV as it was designed, the healer role is not meant to DPS inside the dungeons, but the option is there. If you want to play a healer who can DPS or a DPS who can heal, you pick Scholar/Summoner, but you still don't expect the DPS to heal any more than you expect the healer to DPS.

The entire reason Cleric Stance exists is so that people will play healers and can play the single-player storyline content. The FATE's are a great example of how awful healers are when compared to DPS-only roles. Every time you have to level sync to where you can't use Holy, the BLM/Thaumaturge and the Archer/Bard will kill everything before you even fire off a shot since they have AOE's at level 18 or 12. It was such a pain in the butt chasing FATE's around for the Atma's only to have one or two DPS players kill everything.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

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I don't know why you keep telling people that healers aren't meant to use their DPS skills except while playing the small portion of the game that is solo content. If you're trying to encourage more bad, lazy healers, that would be the way to do it.

Also, you don't actually need to kill much of anything to get credit in FATEs; either heal the crap out of players with the most enmity or tag every single mob. Enmity gets you credit, not kill count.

Besides, I never have issues with FATEs even as a level-synced SCH OR WHM. Our damage is sufficient, and we will never die; what more could you ask for?

FATEing (and soloing in general) on a SCH is the easiest thing in the game....tag everything with bio and aero (and miasma 2 depending on lvl), have your pet heal you and repeat ad nauseam.