1.17 > 1.18 = 3+ months. 1.18 > 1.19 = ???

This game is always going to be playing catch up. Arguing the pace of implementation of content is simply unfair when you have a game that is not only reworking it's basic systems, but also trying to implement content to keep up with players feeling entertained.

That is what makes arguing the pace of their development unreasonable also comparing it to other MMOs out there. Other MMOs out there do not have this problem.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Game development 101:

Implementing systems = fundamental for progress -- If you get your systems implemented you have the ground work laid out to expand it even faster and further as the initial implementation is always the hurdle. Battle system overhauls and implementing the raid system and grand companies = fundamentals to expand the game.

Remember, Fundamental means the core of something, so having a core raid system in place is indeed fundamental.

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Thank you even though it wasn't directed at me.. I learned something out of that :D

Edit: 1.18 is like the playing field ( the land that has acres upon acres to do stuff with Ie: Dungeons/GrandCompanies/Questhubs all these are expandable) thats why its Taken this long to beging with because this Patch is very very [SIZE="7"]VERY[/SIZE] Important.. if you have a Broken land.. or a slope on the hill.. things will indeed fall apart
A few people understand this logic.....

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Said players just aren't trying to be constantly cynical. You can't realistically judge a new team on stuff the old team did, especially when we actually haven't seen all that the new team have done yet. It's like you placing the blame on the poor intern who has to clean up the mess of the guy that got fired.

People really expect things to be done on a day by day basis, which is quite sad. Redoing a game from the foundation and up is years work no matter what company you work at, but of course the cynics would never believe that. So it's not certain players that give "leeway", it's just some people actually realize and understand things take a long time.

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The game has been out for 9 months. Yoshi has been on the team for about 7. 7 months is more than enough time to see at least the beginning of major overhauls. Not 7 months and 22 days later, but within those 7 months, there has been enough time to get this started earlier than now.

That's not being cynical, that's being realistic. I'm not saying SE is being lazy. I'm saying they're either understaffed or have a bottleneck problem somewhere in the development process, or they are trying to take on too much at once.

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Shipp, you have no flipping clue the exact time of planning, developing, and implementing development for any game.

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And you're on the dev team and know more, right? Didn't think so.

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Originally Posted by Shipp

The game has been out for 9 months. Yoshi has been on the team for about 7. 7 months is more than enough time to see at least the beginning of major overhauls. Not 7 months and 22 days later, but within those 7 months, there has been enough time to get this started earlier than now.

That's not being cynical, that's being realistic. I'm not saying SE is being lazy. I'm saying they're either understaffed or have a bottleneck problem somewhere in the development process, or they are trying to take on too much at once.

And you're on the dev team and know more, right? Didn't think so.

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Some people don't know how to define "Realism" and Realism is an "Opinionated" word people define that in many ways depending on the circumstances.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Yes you did: the reality is not black-and-white. People agree with me and say other things that are not true, which I disagree with.

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So let's get this straight. You make a thread saying you don't think 1.19 will release on time. You make statements about 1.18 being delayed. We both state the exact same thing in this regard. I make a statement about how they are not moving "fast in comparison", I make a statement about how there is something wrong with the dev cycle, and I make a statement about how it's perfectly acceptable to compare them to other MMO devs.

What are you disagreeing with me about?

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Game development 101:

Implementing systems = fundamental for progress -- If you get your systems implemented you have the ground work laid out to expand it even faster and further as the initial implementation is always the hurdle. Battle system overhauls and implementing the raid system and grand companies = fundamentals to expand the game.

Remember, Fundamental means the core of something, so having a core raid system in place is indeed fundamental.

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"Core raid system in place" does not amount to implementing two full raids which have delayed the actual battle changes from being implemented. The core raid system would be the entrance to the raid, the ability to make a group size that the raid allows, and things of that nature. Core != full implementation.

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Originally Posted by Shipp

And you're on the dev team and know more, right? Didn't think so.

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Not the point. Actually, if you're onto the tactic of quoting my posts out of context to support your argument, I'm probably doing something right. Eh? :)

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Some people don't know how to define "Realism" and Realism is an "Opinionated" word people define that in many ways depending on the circumstances.

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Tell me, are you a programmer? Does your boss allow you nearly a month of pushbacks? Didn't think so.

I love the SE defenders. It's fine for them to mindlessly bash SE, however when people bring up valid points that substantial work could have been released before 7 months, they get their white-knight suit.

I know the definition of realistic, thanks. Is it realistic to compare the new dev team to other MMOs? Yes, because as was stated previously, this is capitalism. SE decided to ship the game, and now they're hurting because of it. Is that unfair for the new people? Of course, but this is a game that is still on shelves, people picking this up and not staying up to date on this game don't care about the woes of SE. They care that Rift/WoW/anything is far superior at this time, and that is where they're going to go.

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Originally Posted by Shipp

Tell me, are you a programmer? Does your boss allow you nearly a month of pushbacks? Didn't think so.

I love the SE defenders. It's fine for them to mindlessly bash SE, however when people bring up valid points that substantial work could have been released before 7 months, they get their white-knight suit.

I know the definition of realistic, thanks. Is it realistic to compare the new dev team to other MMOs? Yes, because as was stated previously, this is capitalism. SE decided to ship the game, and now they're hurting because of it. Is that unfair for the new people? Of course, but this is a game that is still on shelves, people picking this up and not staying up to date on this game don't care about the woes of SE. They care that Rift/WoW/anything is far superior at this time, and that is where they're going to go.

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You sure do blab on and on about stuff you don't know Don't ya /wave to the troll =)

Edit: Also what does any of that have to do with the word "Realism" like Brucey said.. " Quoting stuff Out of Context to what your saying"

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You sure do blab on and on about stuff you don't know Don't ya /wave to the troll =)

Edit: Also what does any of that have to do with the word "Realism" like Brucey said.. " Quoting stuff Out of Context to what your saying"

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This is what he does. Same as Eorzeapedia. He'll irrationally argue til he is blue in the face and constantly resorts to manipulation tactics and quoting others out of context to fit his argument. It's fine though, really. Gives me someone to play with on this god awfully boring Sunday.

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Originally Posted by BruceyBruceyBangBang

This is what he does. Same as Eorzeapedia. He'll irrationally argue til he is blue in the face and constantly resorts to manipulation tactics and quoting others out of context to fit his argument. It's fine though, really. Gives me someone to play with on this god awfully boring Sunday.

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I knew the name was familiar but couldn't place it.