Content sellers and Party Finder

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Originally Posted by Kerowyn

Now here's the kicker and why I will never support selling content carries.....Do you KNOW how they got that Gil they used to pay you for the carry? Can you say with 100% certainty 100% of your client base earned that Gil through legit means? With all the RMT on the Internet for any MMO out there I believe Content Selling like what your and your FC is doing only encourages the people that buy from RMT.

IMHO what I just brought up is enough reason for S-E to block the sale of Content for Gil. However they have not taken that stance ( so far ) so Selling a Carry is perfectly legal but lame.

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How is that in any way a sellers concern? So are people selling 3 star crafts helping support RMT as well? I guess Ferrari should stop selling expensive cars because that supports drug dealers.

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Originally Posted by Kerowyn

Cause content carries imo feed directly into the RMT Buyers need to buy from RMT in the first place. Without the Carry Sales the only place most RMT currency was going right now was into the market board where a portion of it was removed from game through Fees and through people wanting the fast track to a Free Company House where again the Gil was being removed from the game. Carry Sales are just another reason to Feed the Need for people that don't care enough to do shit themselves.

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You are just pulling information out of your ass. You have no idea where RMT gil is going. The bought gil could be going to sales, most likely I have sold to a gil buyer; however, stop pretending that you know something that the rest of us don't. Crafting, minions, pentamelds, and crafted gear could be fueling RMT just as much as anything else.

Stop stating your conjecture as fact!

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Originally Posted by Kerowyn

IMHO what I just brought up is enough reason for S-E to block the sale of Content for Gil. However they have not taken that stance ( so far ) so Selling a Carry is perfectly legal but lame.

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Dude you're all bananas !

Ever heard of Crafting ? Gathering and Materia ? It's the Nr1 source for making money.
Do they need content clrearage for making crafts and materia ? No.

A crafter who's filled his pockets with dosh can easily pay some dudes to clear content for him.

And even if a dude ain't a crafter he can still soulbind ilvl45-70 gear and sell the Materia, do you even know how much Materia are worth lately?

So before throwing bananas at us take some minutes to think about how some people have lots 'a money.

TL;DR : Crafting, Gathering and Materia sell for hundred thousand gils; people can become rich with the right know how. No need for RMT.

It may be a slight tangent, but there may be some interest itt so if anyone on Tonberry is interested our carry service is always looking for customers! We sell everything that isn't second coil, we are fast and consistent and won't waste your time, pst me in game for prices and become one of our many happy customers!

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Originally Posted by Chickenbacca

I blacklist those useless people.

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I'm sure they'd be devastated to hear this.

Ethically there is nothing wrong with selling carries. On the personal level though the idea is distasteful and I would never consider it. Its no different from typing blacksheepwall or activating god mode. The victory is hollow and there is no sense of satisfaction to be had.

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Originally Posted by kidvideo

I don't need to "try" anything. Macrocosmic view: There is an exchange of virtual money for virtual goods &/or services between players. This is a non-issue.

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You are just trying to justify your point with a strawman argument.

Buying crafted gear is part of the game and gears you up to attempt and finally vanquish the content so you can progress the game. The crafter does not help you dodge WotL. manage your rotation for burning down Conflags or assist your ability to handle a myriad of different mechanics that are in game.

Gear does not save you if you cannot handle or learn mechanics! Buying content wins nullifies your need to learn and adapt to handling mechanics, so if you return to that content or progress to the next without paying. You will still not be able to deal with the mechanics. Thus you do not deserve that win.

Answer this Mr strawman: How would buying penta melded ilvl 90 gear help you if you cannot dodge landslides at all?

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

You are just trying to justify your point with a strawman argument.

Buying crafted gear is part of the game and gears you up to attempt and finally vanquish the content so you can progress the game. The crafter does not help you dodge WotL. manage your rotation for burning down Conflags or assist your ability to handle a myriad of different mechanics that are in game.

Gear does not save you if you cannot handle or learn mechanics! Buying content wins nullifies your need to learn and adapt to handling mechanics, so if you return to that content or progress to the next without paying. You will still not be able to deal with the mechanics. Thus you do not deserve that win.

Answer this Mr strawman: How would buying penta melded ilvl 90 gear help you if you cannot dodge landslides at all?

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Post in a nutshell:
How's that 25% echo buff working out for you in titan HM?

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Originally Posted by MurakumoMillennium

Pay for gear to clear content, pay people to clear content... I'm sorry, why isn't that a fair comparison exactly?

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As I said to the other poster I quoted.

Buying crafted does not make you magically able to complete content. If you cant dodge, no matter what gear you buy from crafters. You will still not dodge. If you cannot handle mechanics without crafted gear, you wont be able to handle them with crafted gear'

I'll put the same question to you also.

How would buying penta melded ilvl 90 gear help you if you cannot dodge landslides at all?

I would never buy/sell runs because I'm too greedy to spend gil on clears :) because I'll eventually get it done, but also too busy doing other stuff, usually practicing the clears of said content with FC mates.

That said, concerning the argument of people clearing content without having the skills to back it up. The FC I'm in has a clear stance of not selling runs. I don't know how many people we've carried via DF or PF when we had just one spot to fill with a random player, but it happens weekly. Some of these players were clearly carried, and did not learn nor practice how to clear the fight because we one-shot it for them, but now they are open to access even more difficult content. Why is this less objectionable than those who reached the same goal, albeit not for free? I think it's a hollow argument because there are always people who get carried through content. If you recruit people to PUG with you for difficult content, you'll get a few bad apples now and then, whether they were carried previously or not, and that's just bad luck. I think it's a strawman argument to claim that clears sold is creating some sort of network of awful players in the higher echelon of endgame content who will ruin your playing experience.

All I can ask of you is to please stop hating on players that you think are inferior to you. Players selling runs are not some degenerates who fuel the RMT economy; what they're doing is filling a niche of emergent gameplay as in-game mercenaries. Players who buy runs or get carried through content are not sub-human gamer trash who shouldn't share the privilege of playing the same game as you. For all you know, some of the latter just need practice to end up being better at the game than you...