Does else anyone miss "open dungeons"? Old FFXIers?

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Originally Posted by KraggyKor

They're not 'dungeons' in anything like the same sense as the instanced content here, 'dungeon content' is put in instances for several reasons not least to eliminate the griefing that plagued FFXI's open world content that is remotely comparable to normal instances: HNM fights.

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Literally, no. They are not dungeons, but spiritually they carry the "dark n' dangerous" concept. They were specific areas where coffers appeared and you could not ride a chocobo into them. Throughout FF games, dungeons have always been anti-chocobo.

However I see no problem with having a mix of both. Why not have instances and open dungeon content? It doesn't specifically have to copy FFXI's dungeon system, I just used FFXI as an example in comparison, since both games are FF games and they're both MMOs.

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Originally Posted by Luminessence

Now bear with me, but I basically wanted to ask the community something, to FFXI players, non-FFXI and current XIV players:

To FFXI players, d'ya remember open dungeons that you could zone into? Like Garlaige Citadel or Gusgen mines? Or higher level ones like Boyahdah Tree and Gustav Tunnel? Fighting monsters in these zones always felt special and much more dangerous. Especially when soloing...

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They should have a mix of open/instance dungeons to please both parties. It would be amazing if they did that, breaking the typical MMO pattern these days. Reminds me of Ragnarok Online where people had to choose from a variety of multiple open dungeons and fight over bosses (MvPs) in order to get gears/cards. Anyway, we can only dream and embrace whatever comes right at us.

Here's what I remember about XI's open "dungeons" ( sure lets call glorified, empty leveling zones dungeons).

If they were on the lvling habi-trail then going in them as far as the door and no further, if you wanted to explore them it was like pulling teeth to get people to come (I'm not joking when I say I had an easier time convincing acrophobes to free-climb 168 feet up a ship's mast when I was a sailing instructor on a tall ship than getting anyone to go deeper into the citadel than the beetle room) or I hope you like sneak/invis or relying on overpriced oils/powders

If there was a quest you needed done, get ready for the hours to days long shout-a-thon you had ahead of you to maybe possibly get a party together , which would usually fall apart before even leaving Jeuno (and definitely after the first death). If you did manage to herd enough cats and finish your task in there... We'll hope ya had fun because you'll never have cause to be back, and the tumble weeds blow through the zone undisturbed once again.

I miss them like I miss my appendix, which will thankfully never trouble me again either.

Oh god yes! a million times yes!
I miss "open world" dungeons sooo much... Even at 99, I still went up delkfutt tower a couple of times every week, way up to the top and watched some cutscenes before I would teleport to either Holla or Dem, and ride through valkurm dunes and end up in Gustav tunnel, and explore it for NM's. Hell, I did this long before the first level cap increase.
If I found people there, who were camping a HNM, I would usually just plant my arse on the ground, and wait a bit to see if it spawned, then watch the people fight it.

When my friend were still playing, we usually screwed around in Helldomine Necropolis and Ifritt's cauldron a lot. Most fun, was roaming around in Temple of Uggalepih... I never did reset my tonberry hate...

But yes, FF14 really need places like this, and I really hope they do add it, with time. FFXI did get many indoor areas in expansions later on. But oh boy the amount it have...

Bostaunieux Oubliette
King Ranperres Tomb
Fort Ghelsba
Yughott Grotto
Palborough Mines
Zeruhn Mines (although very small, it had a lot of various content for its size)
Horutoto Ruins
Dangruf Wadi
Korroloka Tunnel
Toraimaral Canal
Giddeus
Shakhrami Maze
Onzozo Labyrinth
Gusgen Mines
Ordelles Caves
Crawlers Nest
And many many more.... My all time favorite place, were Castle Zvahl Baileys + keep.

I'm happy that this topic has become more popular recently. I know quite a few players that wish to level other jobs, but just cant stand to attempt another fate grind... and instances are events that many players can only withstand for so long before they become tedious.

Of course we need this.
Seriously who can enjoy these easy mode areas we have now... The answer is 0, their actual population.

So maybe gamers a changed and nowadays you cannot make a game where leveling solo is impossible, ok.
This means most areas have to be accessible/soloable, ok.
But I can't believe people wouldn't like an extra challenge in certain areas, like making the path to primal crystal small group content, possible to do maybe with 2 / 3 players. Probably adding a few items/gils to their loot table.

And yes, beastmen strongholds were great in XI.

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Originally Posted by Pandastirfry

If there was a quest you needed done, get ready for the hours to days long shout-a-thon you had ahead of you to maybe possibly get a party together , which would usually fall apart before even leaving Jeuno (and definitely after the first death). If you did manage to herd enough cats and finish your task in there... We'll hope ya had fun because you'll never have cause to be back, and the tumble weeds blow through the zone undisturbed once again.
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While there will be people that will have hard times getting a group together to help with a quest, if you had a good social linkshell then it was never a problem. Generally people loved helping other people out in my linkshell. Granted it still took forever because you had to wait for people to get done with what they were doing to help, and travel time generally took an extra 30 minutes but it was tolerable(at least for me).

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Originally Posted by Kanash

Oh god yes! a million times yes!
I miss

Bostaunieux Oubliette
King Ranperres Tomb
Fort Ghelsba
Yughott Grotto
Palborough Mines
Zeruhn Mines (although very small, it had a lot of various content for its size)
Horutoto Ruins
Dangruf Wadi
Korroloka Tunnel
Toraimaral Canal
Giddeus
Shakhrami Maze
Onzozo Labyrinth
Gusgen Mines
Ordelles Caves
Crawlers Nest
And many many more.... My all time favorite place, were Castle Zvahl Baileys + keep.

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Wow, all those areas...... the memories are all coming back, sigh..
I miss a game that had difficulty and sense of adventure like in the areas you mentioned.

I'm 100% in support of this. In the design of ARR so much time was spent making the world more alive but in depriving it of areas that you walk into like 1.0's Cassiopeia's Hollow / Mines it's made the world more lifeless than ever.

Bring back open dungeons.

Yes, I would love some open world dungeons to spend time in!