I'm bored when I heal because I need more complex DPS rotations

It’s hard to compromise because of one thing, accessibility. The devs want all the classes on the same level so even if a class gets to a good kind of complex, their logic dictates that it can’t be too far ahead of its peers lest that causes those classes to be locked out of pf. I mean look at astro and whm now, astro is more complex but it offers little gain over the whm if any at all.

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Originally Posted by missTori

I've always felt like the healers are actually there to be low apm entry into savage prog. And if you don't like that gameplay then...play another job?

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So one entire role has to sacrificed at the alter of “easy entry to savage prog”, that’s quite possibly the stupidest reasoning I’ve heard for current healer design and over 14 years I’ve heard some real stupid reasoning

“Play another job” ha, how, my entire role is a disaster

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Originally Posted by missTori

I've always felt like the healers are actually there to be low apm entry into savage/ex prog. And if you don't like that gameplay then...play another job? To be fair, Cure and regen were just 2 skills that you could use over the history of ff franchise. I do feel like the healing kit is a bit bloated. If they tried to reduce the skills, all of them would just turn into reskins of redmage.

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Okay what if I liked Heavensward or Stormblood Scholar, what do I do now? Just says "shucks I guess it's fine my job got gutted so people who have zero interest in it get to have a 'entry into savage/ex prog'? I do Ultimates on SCH btw, should I play another job? Please explain thank you kindly

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I've always felt like the healers are actually there to be low apm entry into savage/ex prog. And if you don't like that gameplay then...play another job?

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If the end result of a role is for it to eventually be replaced as one gains skill, then you've made a role with no lasting appeal. You've told people who like the idea and fantasy of that role that they're just temporary.

You also indirectly tell anyone who doesn't touch the role that what they're doing is inherently "more skillful". A big slap in the face for someone that puts in the effort to optimize their healing to squeeze as much damage as possible.

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Originally Posted by missTori

To be fair, Cure and regen were just 2 skills that you could use over the history of ff franchise. I do feel like the healing kit is a bit bloated. If they tried to reduce the skills, all of them would just turn into reskins of redmage.

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Just because they can deal damage and heal doesn't make a job RDM, otherwise you may as well argue that PLD is holy RDM because of Clemency. Jobs in XIV are more than just simply what they do, but also how they do something. A WHM that has an array of elemental or holy attacks doesn't have to play like RDM or PLD, it is possible for it to carve its own playstyle that incorporates the healing and DPS together and make something unique.

I always find it incredibly funny when people act as if 'more job responsibilities' and 'better designed downtime kit' are mutually exclusive. We can have both, we DID have both before ShB.

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Originally Posted by Aravell

I always find it incredibly funny when people act as if 'more job responsibilities' and 'better designed downtime kit' are mutually exclusive. We can have both, we DID have both before ShB.

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It’s probably the thing that’s most annoying about healers

The role has literally regressed over time

We are told we are asking for too much for asking for 10% of what the ShB changes too from us back, even though the DPS are pretty homogenised at least they 95% of them are objectively better than they were in SB, meanwhile the modern healers are worse than the trash fire classes we had in ARR, hell at this point I’ll take legacy CNJ back over current WHM

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We are told we are asking for too much for asking for 10% of what the ShB changes too from us back

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Are we even hitting asking for 10% back atm?

just poked at the Wayback machine for the SCH changes going into 5.0. It's rough.
We lost Energy Drain (which granted we did get back), Miasma, Sustain, Bane, Rouse, Miasma II and Shadow Flare actionwise. half our fairy abilities, and all the old fairy skill behaviour (and mostly the good afaik, seeing as they can still ghost some abilities) and quickened aetherflow.

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Originally Posted by Nabril

Name me one job that just pushes one button. Name me one. Sure as hell aren't any I've played. Not one job just hits one button. You're lying and exaggerating.

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I can name you four:

https://i.imgur.com/tVNtVaC.png

https://i.imgur.com/V6vK1rj.png

https://i.imgur.com/EyWXbQx.png

https://i.imgur.com/uR1NHur.png

Is that literally just pushing one button? No. But the fact that all four of these jobs press one button more than every other button on their hotbar combined is a disgrace. And that's P12S for reference. Imagine how much higher the percentage of stupid filler attack spell use those same jobs see in easy content, or solo content. It's giving level 4 Black Mage.

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

Is that literally just pushing one button? No. But the fact that all four of these jobs press one button more than every other button on their hotbar combined is a disgrace. And that's P12S for reference. Imagine how much higher the percentage of stupid filler attack spell use those same jobs see in easy content, or solo content. It's giving level 4 Black Mage.

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There's been plenty of people trying the same line of "You're not literally pressing only one button", but that's incredibly dismissive of the very real issue. It's not only in savage, even in ultimates you're pressing 1 button 70-80% of the time. I honestly can't think of a single RPG where you press 1 button for 80% of your gameplay and it being considered good gameplay.

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Originally Posted by Aravell

There's been plenty of people trying the same line of "You're not literally pressing only one button", but that's incredibly dismissive of the very real issue. It's not only in savage, even in ultimates you're pressing 1 button 70-80% of the time. I honestly can't think of a single RPG where you press 1 button for 80% of your gameplay and it being considered good gameplay.

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For reference (because I've seen this "um actually" counter argument before), When pushed to the wall, between 50%-60% of a good healer's total action usage is their neutral game DPS spell. 80%+ is referring to the healer's total GCD action usage, meaning it filters out OGCD healing and other OGCD tools. Because even when you are weaving OGCDs, your gameplay is still almost entirely 1 attack spell.