NINJA and ROGUE confirmed

What job roles a class branches into doesn't particularly matter because it's the class that levels, it takes 2 seconds to swap from one job to the other. So long as they occupy different niches (not necessarily different roles) then I don't see an issue with Rogue branching into Ninja and Thief jobs.

I'd love a Rikku style Thief job working as a pseudo-support melee-bard type job, but whether or not that will work with Rogue/Ninja really does remain to be seen.

Edit: Because Arcanist branches into a DPS and Healer people seem to jump to the conclusion that it has to be that way with every class but it really doesn't, it would be nice if most classes could end up that way as it would really help queue times I think, but SE shouldn't try to force jobs that won't work onto classes just to try and make sure every class can fill 2 different roles.

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Originally Posted by LoLo

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let's see monk buffs that happened in 2.1 or 2.2 pretty sure it was 2.1 bu I could be wrong were overall potency increases on many skills(Demolish gained a actual hit as well as a positional increase it never had before,true strike buffed to 190 pot,bootshine ,twin snakes duration buff,) Also you could look at the monk temples first few pages to see there was a melee bane.

Dragoon was more wanted than monk because it increased the dps of bard, which was considered a job that was always needed for everything sometimes in twos(Turn 2,etc.), and because of mechanics like rot, tornados, and just monks at the time being generally bad, most people were kind of sketchy on doing pugs,df, and even inviting melee's in general. If you didn't deal with this I really question your maining Monk through 2.0 to 2.2, the monk temple was filled with talk of melee bane on all different worlds. You must of gotten really lucky with nice people.

Also in order to show your skill they have to actually party with you first. those two go hand in hand.

I know there was a melee bane because I dealt with it. People I never even met were scared I'd be bad at dodging or just suck because I played melee, they saw I was good and it worked out and i made friends. But you have to be given that chance first by people who are nice enough. Just because it can happen doesn't mean it will.

Also if you've played any game with balancing you should know theres no such thing as perfect balance. I expect the devs to do their best. But only so much can be done. they didn't think T9 could be cleared with i90's and were proven wrong. It's just the nature of the genre.

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Originally Posted by Zarzak

If your going to deflect by pointing out semantics at least try and sound half intelligent. Sorry your not old enough to know that class the common term used to describe the player's character in MMOs and most RPG games in general for... I guess since tabletop gaming.

1. War
2. Pal
3. Whm
4. Sch
5. Smn
6. Blm
7. Drg
8. Mnk
9. Brd
10. Nin
11. 3.0 tank
12. 3.0 healer


Now want to try and actually respond to the statement you claim is wrong? Come on you can do it.

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Nothing you said is correct. In THIS game there are classes and jobs. NONE of what you listed is considered a job and I'm questing you intelligence.

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Originally Posted by LoLo

Nothing you said is correct. In THIS game there are classes and jobs. NONE of what you listed is considered a job and I'm questing you intelligence.

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Pretty much everything he said was correct. Class is the generic term used in most games to describe what this game calls jobs. You can keep trying to ignore his point because he's using the generic term instead of the specific term used in this game, but that doesn't make you right. It just makes you look dishonest. And your entire last sentence is just silly. Everything he listed is a job, and yet you decide to "quest him intelligence." I'd be curious to see what kind of quest gives someone else intelligence. >_>

Note: this post is pretty much directed to on-lookers. As far as I know, LoLo still has me ignored.

What was the Monk buff?

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Originally Posted by LoLo

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2.1 Patch notes. how did you not notice these did you not forum much or pay attention to the notes during maining monk or.. your damage?

Bootshine Potency has been increased from 130 to 150.
True Strike Delivering the attack from behind will no longer increase critical hit chance, but will instead deliver an attack with a potency of 190.
Internal Release Critical hit rate increase has been reduced from 20% to 10%. However, this change does not affect benefits granted by the trait Enhanced Internal Release.
Twin Snakes Increased damage duration has been extended from 12 to 15 seconds.
Demolish In addition to dealing damage over time, now delivers an attack with a potency of 30. 70 potency when attacking from behind.
Greased Lightning Damage bonus has been increased from 7% to 9%.
Greased Lightning II Damage bonus has been increased from 14% to 18%.
Greased Lightning III Damage bonus has been increased from 21% to 27%.

They even gave gl 1-3 different graphics...

edit ; ah I forgot the extras

Shoulder Tackle Recast time has been reduced from 90 to 30 seconds.
One Ilm Punch Potency has been increased from 80 to 120.

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Originally Posted by LoLo

What was the Monk buff?

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Bootshine potency increase from 130 to 150
True Strike positional bonus changed from 5%(10%?) crit chance to 190 potency
Twin Snake duration increase from 12 sec to 15 sec
Demolish given an initial damage component
Greased Lightning increased from 7% bonus damage/stack to 9%
Shoulder Tackle recast time reduced from 90 sec to 30 sec

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Originally Posted by Cynric

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lol I love how you edited your first post on this page to make it look like I was asking you about what the buff was even after you finished explaining it. Your first post on this page before it was edited was only a single sentence with no description of what Monk was buffed with.

Either way, I've never had no one not invite me on Monk before the buff. Duty Finder and doing things with a Linkshell and FC made it no problem if there was a so-called Monk ban in the game before the buff.

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Originally Posted by LoLo

lol I love how you edited your first post on this page to make it look like I was asking you about what the buff was even after you finished explaining it. Your first post on this page before it was edited was only a single sentence with no description of what Monk was buffed with.

Either way, I've never had no one not invite me on Monk before the buff. Duty Finder and doing things with a Linkshell and FC made it no problem if there was a so-called Monk ban in the game before the buff.

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1000 character limit and an incomplete sentence. You should of waited for the edit(like this one did) after seeing the sentence just stop like that. Only reason I reposted the notes was because I assumed you wanted more info or a source or something. So I looked up the notes.

It wasn't a monk ban. melee bane, ban=/=bane, lots of people didn't really want or like melee and thought it was dangerous to bring one over a ranged character (more recent was garuda extreme when something like this happened for melee). You just got lucky. there's plenty of pages in the monk temple on this topic among the buffs and the excitement for them. It wasn't impossible just more unlikely to get a party as a melee back then.

I just dunno how you could have missed this information or not noticed your damage just increase overnight after a patch. also while it wasn't noted inside the patch notes as far as I can tell they also fixed bootshine to auto crit during perfect balance.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

As far as I know, LoLo still has me ignored.

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Anyone that makes him look silly has this treatment.