It's about time to add Coil story mode, isn't it ?

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

It's not about not wanting to share anything, I would love to see more of the playerbase being able to clear hard content as it would validate more resources being allocated to creating that type of content. So it would be a win-win for everyone.

What I am at the point is that there are too many who think that they should take away the only content that is targetted at players who enjoy a challenge. Whereas they could improve and tackle the content as well. No, they are too lazy and would prefer to be carried by those who can as too many do not want to put in that effort to improve their skill with the game to be able to tackle said content. It's the attitude of "We can't do it so no one else should have it" mentality that irks.

Everyone can access content, the only ones stopping them are themselves and their desire to access and take on said content. Initiative and desire is a great motivator to obtain things. You want something bad enough you will push to obtain it (outside of redicoulous wants:P).

With the two versions of 8 peep raids coming in Heavensward, I can safely say there will be same kind of complaints from some who call normal mode "too hard".

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You're right, it's not that you don't want to share, it's that you just completely don't understand. Admittedly, that's better, but it is still ignorance.

Giving casual players a way to experience the story in these raids long after the raids are no longer relevant does not take away anything from the "players who enjoy a challenge." They will always have high-end, very difficult stuff to do. A lot of the people you're accusing of being 'too lazy' or 'do not want to put in that effort to improve their skill' are actually unable to do so because of time constraints. You claiming that they're just lazy and unmotivated is flat-out idiotic, elitist, judgemental ignorance. You don't know these people or their reasoning. You're just making something up so that you can feel good about yourself. This is the exact same attitude that a lot of well-to-do, wealthy people have: "Oh, everyone has the same opportunity! No one has any advantages over anyone else; it's all fair!"

It's either absolute ignorant naivety, or sinister manipulation to convince people they're wrong about it.

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Originally Posted by Dererk

End game is ment to be challenging not easy.
Remember every one MMO is a very fragile entity too much story not enough of a challenge or one or the other it falls and dies.

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Coil and Second Coil aren't end game anymore. And with 3.0 they definitely won't be. They don't need to be challenging anymore, especially since they contain important story info and closures.

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Originally Posted by Venom

if people want to check the story of coil but don't have the skill to do it they have 2 options.

1)Practice.
2)Youtube will probably have the cutscenes.

Pretty sure there will be normal and hard mode raid in expansion so everybody wins.
Remember, easy mode exist already... it is called ECHO.

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You are ignorant, just like others who make your same claims. And shut up with the youtube suggestion; it's stupid. People want to actually be involved in the events.. because, you know... there's actual story in it.

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Originally Posted by Venom

Remember, easy mode exist already... it is called ECHO.

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echo doesn't help to clear T5 or T9

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

echo doesn't help to clear T5 or T9

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It does. Significantly.

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Originally Posted by Gardes

It does. Significantly.

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Echo helps for dps checks. There is none left with current ilevel (or rather, there shouldn't remain any)

Echo won't help people for dives in T5 (misplaced, group in wall, end. Or too slow, people in wall, end. You can have 2 dead at a time but that's it.)
Echo won't help people for twisters.
Heck, some groups still fail at conflags...


Echo won't help for meteor stacking
Echo won't help for messy heavensfall
Echo won't help for thunder/fire fails
Echo won't help with supernovas/thermoionic beam
Echo doesn't help that much for bahamuth's claw when the 3rd rotation begins, even though with good healers that's a lot eased.

You have a better error margin, but in T5 and T9, there are abilities which don't have any error margin, thus rendering echo useless.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

Echo helps for dps checks. There is none left with current ilevel (or rather, there shouldn't remain any)

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You would be surprised.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

Echo won't help people for dives in T5 (misplaced, group in wall, end. Or too slow, people in wall, end. You can have 2 dead at a time but that's it.)
Echo won't help people for twisters.
Heck, some groups still fail at conflags...

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It helps immensely with dives. People can get shot off the pit and run back in too late and get shot off again without dying. Add in a healer that can throw in small heals between that you're very likely to have the whole party survive when half the party gets hit by divebombs. Echo also help immensely with twisters. You can have people dying to twisters and you can raise them back up easily because the main tank can be left unattended for long enough just because of how tough he is now. People can die to conflags, especially when people push twintania hard enough (and not stop) that she flies up as a blue conflag is set down and the party can still make potshots at it and free the stunned person OR let the player die and raise them back up as snake spawns.

There are plenty of things in t9 that can cause wipes but echo can cut down on their occurence. Meteor can be cut down from 5 to 3. Parties can push phase 3 into phase 4 before 3rd heavensfall happens which simplifies the phase by a LOT. The bigger echo, the faster the group can finish t4, the less divebombs and elementals they will have to face, cutting down the margin of error. Tanks also become tougher and bahamut claw is less of a threat and less of a struggle for the healers to heal, even if you're one healer down.

People don't have to use echo just to pass dps check, they can use echo to push phases fast enough so there's less mechanics to deal with and less chances to fail. Just because some people can be amazing at causing wipes for the entire party does NOT mean echo does not help. Echo helps. It's not magic.

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Originally Posted by TheRogueX

Giving casual players a way to experience the story in these raids long after the raids are no longer relevant does not take away anything from the "players who enjoy a challenge."

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If that's really how you feel, then why can't you just wait until 3.0 when you can outgear it more than you already can?

It's so weird that Coil story seems to be the "true ending" of the game, but more than half of the playerbase cannot enjoy it.

next endgame raid should be completely optional story that has nothing to do with the main story at all.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

It's so weird that Coil story seems to be the "true ending" of the game, thus more than half of the playerbase cannot enjoy it.

next endgame raid should be completely optional story that has nothing to do with the main story at all.

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They went out of their way to disassociate coil with the main story completely. It is in no way the "true ending of the game." You might be able to make that argument for Legacy players, but even then the focus of the ARR story is totally gone from Bahamut. He's mentioned in passing and while yes, you are spending a great deal of time hearing complaints about what the Calamity did to the land, neither the Calamity or Bahamut are of any focus past the first fifteen or so levels. If they are mentioned, it is only briefly. I would argue they designed it this way to prevent people saying that it was essential to beat to understand the story. Coil's the super hard optional dungeon in your typical JRPG. You could never step foot into coil and still fully understand and comprehend everything in the MSQ.

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I'd also like to add that if you completely erase any important connection to the world itself then you severely detract from any excitement that might be associated with that content. Alexander's already questionable in terms of relevancy to anything we've seen so far happening in Eorzea. While Bahamut was technically an important part of the 1.0 story, it certainly isn't anything your average new person to ARR has to worry about.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

It's so weird that Coil story seems to be the "true ending" of the game, thus more than half of the playerbase cannot enjoy it.

next endgame raid should be completely optional story that has nothing to do with the main story at all.

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This is so true from what i understand of the Coil Story (i'm at T6 atm) as it goes over the events that happend after end of an era to our return to Eorzea

I believe that due to this a large part of the player base want a Coil Story mode especially if SE remove coil from the game due to being irelivent (4.0?)

Ignorance this unfair this Coil is still end game its supposed to be a challenge again why you so mad about this pretty much most people do it for the story did I complain when I was stuck on T5 yes did I demand an easier mode no did I complain when I was stuck on T9 yes did I demand an easier mode no I got my clears on both with echo its a challenge yes impossible no.

I'd rather the devs time and money go towards more and much much more content than this you know you want it too and its more important.