Compromise: Just Charge $5 For Now. Once 2.0 is Out, Then Charge $12

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Originally Posted by Buddhsie

Regardless of who leaves, V2.0 will be implemented. This is fact.
A very very high percentage of those who leave now will be back for V2.0, it's no skin off anyone's back.

I don't see how you can continue to post, it's like whipping a dead horse.

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I would like to know this myself even... :/. I try to not post here.. but every time it gets off the front page.. it gets bumped back up. I'm trying to put it in the past and let things take its course but people still insist on beating this dead horse.

No wonder SE hasn't said a word on the lodestone in over a week :/. I don't blame the man either ~.~

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Forums= 5% of the current playerbase ( roughly)
Forums= 3% of them say discount price
Forums= 2% of them say Full price
Game= 95% left unheard

Once you have the other 95% answers then you have a backbone to support your ground

Has nothing to do with right or wrong, Its has to do with getting your facts first before shouting a claim

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Exactly what facts have I stated that are not correct?

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

I think the willingness for fans of the game to pay to play a beta test is much more high at a reduced price of $5 a month.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

I think the elasticity of demand for this product is such that they'd get more than 5k subs with a price of $6.99. I'm basing this on no hard evidence whatsoever, just my gut instinct.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

Exactly what facts have I stated that are not correct?

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A) This is not Beta, This is Version 1.0, Version 2.0 is and upgrade to the 1.0.

B) You don't know who's all staying and who's all going so you can't make that assumption. ( what demand? I only see the 3% of the forums *in which they are the ones demanding for a discount* only complaining about it) You don't have enough facts to prove " A Elasticity of demand" is even called for. Gut instinct= Personal Opinion not actual Fact. SE makes that dice roll. So I suggest you leave it as such or else this back and for nonsense will just keep on Occurring.

Point is, this thread is just going back and forth beating this dead horse to the ground till it's part of the dang soil. 61 pages of:

Person A~ We need a Discount
Person B~ What for?
Person A~ Because FFXIV is a half a game!
Person B~ I don't see this as a half a game
Person A~ Your Crazy dude, this is beta still
Person C~ Yeah this is beta
Person D~ What are you talking about man Beta was last year were in 1.0 2.0 is the upgrade
Person A~ If you think this game is complete then your insane
Person B~ Im not right to have my Opinion?
Person A~ Long explaination in Troll fasion

Troll #1~ FFXIV stinks, your a loser if you like it
Troll #2~ ^This all this

Player A~ *Trys to be reasonable with Troll #1*

Troll #1~ Get off the Forums!

This is what I mean by getting out of control :/.

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Originally Posted by Buddhsie

Regardless of who leaves, V2.0 will be implemented. This is fact.
A very very high percentage of those who leave now will be back for V2.0, it's no skin off anyone's back.

I don't see how you can continue to post, it's like whipping a dead horse.

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If the game is worth charging for, it's worth charging the right price (and I don't think full price is it) which generates the most revenue and keeps the most players. The more players you have playing now improves the number of players around for 2.0, if not just for the continuity of those players across versions, but also for maintaining larger fanbase to spread the good word.

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

If the game is worth charging for, it's worth charging the right price (and I don't think full price is it) which generates the most revenue and keeps the most players. The more players you have playing now improves the number of players around for 2.0, if not just for the continuity of those players across versions, but also for maintaining larger fanbase to spread the good word.

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Neither side can claim which price would generate the most revenue. Half price would require double subscribers and full price is going to cause the game to lose some people....so really, who knows?

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Originally Posted by Starlord

A) This is not Beta, This is Version 1.0, Version 2.0 is and upgrade to the 1.0.

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I said that I think 1.0 essentially a beta, based on how it is just a placeholder until 2.0 is released. This is an opinion.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

A) This is not Beta, This is Version 1.0, Version 2.0 is and upgrade to the 1.0.

B) You don't know who's all staying and who's all going so you can't make that assumption. ( what demand? I only see the 3% of the forums *in which they are the ones demanding for a discount* only complaining about it) You don't have enough facts to prove " A Elasticity of demand" is even called for. Gut instinct= Personal Opinion not actual Fact. SE makes that dice roll. So I suggest you leave it as such or else this back and for nonsense will just keep on Occurring.

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This is called opinionated analysis based on available information. I provide all the basis for my opinion in the OP. I have never claimed to have the intimate knowledge of every single player in this game. If the barrier to discussion was knowing what 100% of the player base wants for 100% certainty, we wouldn't be able to talk about anything.

This is why I made the thread. To put out the idea, and lay out my opinion based on their response to this issue in the BG interview. Nowhere did I state anything that "proved" the elasticity of demand for this game. I merely gave my analysis based on what I know about economics, sales, and the history of this game.

I called it gut instinct because it was gut instinct, and not hard stats. You are the one claiming that I did something that I clearly did not do at all.

Of course the final decision is SE's to make. They also value player opinion. I'm a player. I have an opinion. This is a forum designed to facilitate such things.

If you really don't want to carry on the discussion, then don't. You've posted "I'm done with this thread" more times than I can remember. All I'm doing is correcting the inaccuracies of what you think that I'm trying to do.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

I said that I think 1.0 essentially a beta, based on how it is just a placeholder until 2.0 is released. This is an opinion.


This is called opinionated analysis based on available information. I provide all the basis for my opinion in the OP. I have never claimed to have the intimate knowledge of every single player in this game. If the barrier to discussion was knowing what 100% of the player base wants for 100% certainty, we wouldn't be able to talk about anything.

This is why I made the thread. To put out the idea, and lay out my opinion based on their response to this issue in the BG interview. Nowhere did I state anything that "proved" the elasticity of demand for this game. I merely gave my analysis based on what I know about economics, sales, and the history of this game.

I called it gut instinct because it was gut instinct, and not hard stats. You are the one claiming that I did something that I clearly did not do at all.

Of course the final decision is SE's to make. They also value player opinion. I'm a player. I have an opinion. This is a forum designed to facilitate such things.

If you really don't want to carry on the discussion, then don't. You've posted "I'm done with this thread" more times than I can remember. All I'm doing is correcting the inaccuracies of what you think that I'm trying to do.

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The this thread meets no purpose other than the few bits of Forumgoers (200-300 people) that talk about it.

I found out all that I needed it know. and I know that this thread in particular has no evidence.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

A) This is not Beta, This is Version 1.0, Version 2.0 is and upgrade to the 1.0.

B) You don't know who's all staying and who's all going so you can't make that assumption. ( what demand? I only see the 3% of the forums *in which they are the ones demanding for a discount* only complaining about it) You don't have enough facts to prove " A Elasticity of demand" is even called for. Gut instinct= Personal Opinion not actual Fact. SE makes that dice roll. So I suggest you leave it as such or else this back and for nonsense will just keep on Occurring.

Point is, this thread is just going back and forth beating this dead horse to the ground till it's part of the dang soil. 61 pages of:

Person A~ We need a Discount
Person B~ What for?
Person A~ Because FFXIV is a half a game!
Person B~ I don't see this as a half a game
Person A~ Your Crazy dude, this is beta still
Person C~ Yeah this is beta
Person D~ What are you talking about man Beta was last year were in 1.0 2.0 is the upgrade
Person A~ If you think this game is complete then your insane
Person B~ Im not right to have my Opinion?
Person A~ Long explaination in Troll fasion

Troll #1~ FFXIV stinks, your a loser if you like it
Troll #2~ ^This all this

Player A~ *Trys to be reasonable with Troll #1*

Troll #1~ Get off the Forums!

This is what I mean by getting out of control :/.

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Really ? i'm pretty sure the vast majority of people around here, have been throwing the "This is a beta, or is essentially a beta" every time somebody said something negative about the game for the past year+, now suddendly it is not a beta.....

People need to take a position and stick to it :/

It's not beta >_>

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Originally Posted by Starlord

The this thread meets no purpose other than the few bits of Forumgoers (200-300 people) that talk about it.

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Yet people care enough about this issue to keep posting in it. This is a forum. Forums facilitate discussion of pertinent issues. This is a pertinent issue that some people feel strongly about and could possibly have an impact on the future success of 2.0.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

I know that this thread in particular has no evidence.

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I've laid out the reasons for my opinion clearly, and in an organized manner in the OP. If you think the underlying reasons for my analysis is wrong, then that's fine. However, don't go claiming I didn't provide any good reasons for coming to the conclusion that I came to.