This is bad practice, and no less from a tank who's already got a level 80 DRK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty
We can just you know, not stress the wee bit of healers we got left in this game.
But on the same coin, the healer was also in the wrong.
She was grieving him honestly, by choosing not to heal him. If he reported, she would have gotten in trouble.
My judgement was they were both in the wrong.
We really need to stop this fire with fire nonsense.
-
09-24-2019, 05:06 AMJybril
-
09-24-2019, 06:17 AMPepsi_PlungeHad this too today, with me as the protagonist on GNB. Was running Mentor Roulette, got Mt. Gulg and on one of the bigger pulls I was low on Health for a while so I decided now would be a good moment to pop SB. Well, the WHM had the same idea for Bene so thinks happend and we shared a laugh after the pull in groupchat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Enla
-
09-24-2019, 06:23 AMArianeEwahPoping Superbolide after Benediction happens mostly because WHM don't trust/expect GNB to use their invul, or GNB don't trust/expect their healer to Bene when their invul is up. It happened to me multiple times, too, even with a static member as healer. They said they were not used to GNB using their invul at all... guess that goes for the majority of healer. Superbolide should be used in your mitigation rotation if possible, otherwise it's wasted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Enla
But popping it everytime it is available despite no threathing incoming damage or anything equal, is either ignorance or flat-out trolling. -
09-24-2019, 06:32 AMRaldo
If I know a big pull is coming, I just tell the healer beforehand.
"Gonna superboner this pull, feel free to ignore me 'til I hit 1"
(obviously this isn't apply to the recent examples, since they weren't in a dungeon) -
09-24-2019, 06:39 AMPepsi_Plunge
If I plan to use SB on the next pull I do indeed tell the healer beforehand. But sometimes you need to improvise - like when you are running out of CDs and you are on low HP anyway. And in this situations I don't have the time nor the ability to announce it in chat first while I 'm taking multiple autoattacks and having to act fast.
-
09-24-2019, 10:00 AMHeliantheae
Kefka today. The other tank asked if I wanted MT or OT. I said, "I can MT." The fights going along. He does the donut where I have to stand in the AoE. I run back and off the board. I just stared at the screen for a minute. I've been playing for like five years and the fight itself is like a year and a half old. And I just ran off. If I wasn't in shock, I would've made a joke about that's what happens when they take away our Awareness.
-
09-24-2019, 11:25 AMCincierta
Had the strangest bard today on a stone vigil run.
My friend decided to level up his monk and I partied him as ast. We queue up and get a drk and brd. Both seemed to be geared for the dungeon, and the bard had shire/alexander gear. The start seemed normal, mobs facing party, though I notice something strange.
The bard kept spamming Venomous Bite and Windbite on all mobs, then followed up with Raging Strikes and Barrage and Second Wind, and maybe auto-attacks. I thought at first it was fat-fingering until we get up to the first boss and I realize he was serious about this. He also didn't move for Swinge and died while I was healing the tank. At this point I sighed and started giving dps cards more and more to the tank and my friend.
This kept going up until almost the second boss when I kindly point out that once you pop a dot on a mob, there's no need to spam it and just go ham with aoe's. Second boss takes longer as he's still not using any songs to up his dps output, on top of standing behind the tank when the second boss was spewing fire...and never moving from that spot. I start to get a little irate and think maybe this person's a bot, and at this point I still can't votekick the brd for trolling since no one else had rolled on loot. We finally round the corner and I finally ask if the brd knew how to brd. His response was 'I need to fix my rotation'. wat? I told him to go look up the ShB changes that came with brd, as his continued Windbite spam with no songs at all was getting very old.
Third boss he stood in aoes and didn't move much, and he still never used a single song as I never heard one ever go off. Still uses the bite spam with Raging Strikes/Barrage+Second Wind with auto-attacks between bite spam. The boss goes down and once the tank and my friend leaves, he lingered for a bit until I left. I just, that bard...Twelve almighty please bro read your tooltips and don't use macros if that's what you were doing. Go practice on a training dummy before you pull that sort of stunt again. -
09-24-2019, 02:06 PMBerteaux_BraumegainAnother classic Kefka prank.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heliantheae
-
09-24-2019, 02:08 PMRasikko
Edit: Ok being serious now.
Castrum F(because Im not going to try to spell it). I believe that fan mechanic she does is basically run to the first one that lands and then run to the middle when it does it thing. There's plenty similar mechanics like that, but for some reason people have a hard time with this. People were just running to random ones and confusing me, and the ones with stack markers were all alone and we just die. The only one that got the hint, didn't run to the middle. oops
And tank couldn't keep still, turning her in random directions for no reason and cleaving people -.-.
I guess to be considerate, on her "last phase" I guess, she unloads pretty much all of her mechanics during that fan mechanic, except the "Moon" mechanic, so I guess that makes people panic. -
09-24-2019, 04:20 PMMikuMitsuko
So, uh... I was the idiot yesterday. Decided to do some Eden NM again on all 3 of my healers because bored. A few highlights of those runs consisted of me on WHM straight-up running off the platform on Voidwalker, not getting out of the way when Leviathan destroyed the middle of the platform, and consistently getting flattened by Titan on SCH. I don't know what was wrong with me, my single brain cell probably decided to take a nap or something.
Sorry to all the co-healers I had. x.x -
09-24-2019, 05:11 PMRubixCubeThe aim is actually to run to the last one that lands, next to the first, as it gives more time to run to the centre. Sounds like a messy fight all in all though!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rasikko
-
09-24-2019, 06:47 PMNononu
Yeah, it's very similar to (Extreme) Titan's bombs, right? That's one of those mechanics I just have a very hard time with. I -entirely- get the concept, but putting it to play, I always run to the wrong one and end up biting dust.
People always say "x is so easy", but remember that not everyone learns the same or can do the same things you can. Some people may find what you find ridiculously easy to be hard, while maybe they find something easy you think is hard. It's just how it is. Please be kind to us that have difficulty with "simple" mechanics. For whatever reason, they aren't that simple to us, and I can tell you from experience - as I'm sure a LOT of people can - that panic can make even the best of us do -really stupid things- in the moment. -
09-24-2019, 06:48 PMZhenyaOkami
Okay, I read before that ppl were running the 71-79 dungeons with low gear, but I was lucky enough to not be in a group with them... until yesterday.
Our group wiped tow times during Qitana Ravel, which never happened to me before. Our tanked checked the healer and she was running around on Lvl 79 with an item lvl 290 book. Heck what?!
When the tank told the healer that an item lvl 390 book can easily get at Rhalgr's Reach, the healer responded that she will be Lvl 80 after this dungeon and doesn't care and the tank should just pull less.
Okay, healer was lvl 80 after this dungeon, but oh well, ... I still don't get why not getting a higher itemlvl weapon (which is suuuuper easy) before leveling. :( -
09-24-2019, 07:21 PMNononu
Or just do it with a Trust. You don't really have to worry about ilvl in that... heck, I've done a Trust, stepped away to do something, and come back to them just finishing the pull without me as a DPS...
You can literally get through a Trust dungeon without using a single skill. Let them do everything with the mobs and when you get to a boss, just follow them to do mechanics.
Yes, it's bad habit, yes, it's brain-dead, but... they don't care. xD -
09-24-2019, 08:37 PMHyoMinPark
When you have a NIN AFK the entirety of Cruise Chaser normal mode and return just as the boss dies. And also when you have two healers standing around literally casting nothing and the SMN is the one raising dead people. Not DPSing. Not healing. Literally doing nothing.
NIN, you’re welcome for the carry. Healers, do your job. SMN, thank you for raising people when the healers can’t be arsed to do it. -
09-24-2019, 08:54 PMKobalos
Was doing MSQ roulette and everyone was completely silent until the end when this one guy called us all noobs, told us to blacklist him so he would never play with us ever again and insulted my boyfriend. This bloke hadn't said anything all run...That left me and my partner a little confused.
-
09-24-2019, 09:58 PMForctyusGold
this happened to me too , and these two people just left , because you cant say anything against players who dont care , when joining a dungeon / im pretty sure doing leveling roulettes and youre over 71 you are having high possibility to get some of the new dungeons :(
-
09-24-2019, 11:30 PMXtrasweettea
Single pack pulls (and sometimes single mob pulls) in Wanderer's Palace. No, not WP Hard, straight up WP.
I was SCH. We had a fresh GNB (who had 260+ gear and accessories), a MNK, and a NIN.
I might have cured five times as most that whole dungeon. The rest of the time was me DPSing or getting oils and turning valves so I wouldn't be waiting on slow moving people.
I didn't join this group fresh, by the way. I replaced a healer and the time elapsed at 6 mins. They didn't make it to the first boss before I joined... -
09-25-2019, 12:09 AMKobalos
I died on a guild heist last night - Lvling up a WAR and only got a lvl 10 GH and the healer just let me die saying there was no need to heal me...Like I only had 3 buttons and 1 cooldown why no heal?
-
09-25-2019, 01:06 AMMoonfishJokes on him. Blacklist in this game doesn’t prevent you from getting matched in duty finder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kobalos
-
09-25-2019, 01:45 AMRivinStormfangHonestly I had a lot of trouble with those mechanics too for a long time. Titan's bombs and Tsukuyomi's fans I managed to learn from sheer repetition of getting them in roulettes all the time, but I still suck at Shiva's and Titania's frost runes (although that's moreso because the graphics for those are really hard for me to see until they've all spawned and then it's just a matter of hoping I follow someone who knows where they're going).Quote:
Originally Posted by Nononu
-
09-25-2019, 03:00 AMFile2ish
Did an expert in the early morning with a couple friends. The random guy we got was probably drunk or something, but it gave the three of us a good laugh.
https://i.imgur.com/FSuIj8u.jpg -
09-25-2019, 04:04 AMKacho_Nacho
Oh man...
Why didn't you just leave, Hyomin? -
09-25-2019, 04:24 AMNanaWilohHad run weeks back before I slammed crafitng like madman. Where a dps died on the first boss didn't take rez, was dead up until we reached the last boss. They then accepted the rez only to be met with a kick :DQuote:
Originally Posted by HyoMinPark
-
09-25-2019, 05:13 AMAwfulI guess you could say...the group was on cruise control and there's no forward only back! I uh I'll see myself out but I'm sorry you had this group sounds like an eternal darkness of a party kudos to the SMN at least you could say he put one foot forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by HyoMinPark
Okay i'm really done I swear. -
09-25-2019, 05:22 AMChaoticCrimsonWell, you know when not everyone wants to pull their weight it really can become a case of...Quote:
Originally Posted by Awful
Exponential Entropy -
09-25-2019, 05:31 AMJybrilThe healers were going forward and back, and then forward and back and then go forward and back with one foot forward into the AoE's.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaoticCrimson
The SMN was Trancendental! -
09-25-2019, 05:32 AMAwfulYou, I like you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaoticCrimson
LOL oh gosh that's a good one too!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jybril
-
09-25-2019, 05:32 AMPepsi_Plunge
Was tanking in Amaurot with two Ninja in my party and on the first group of enemies I instantly noticed one of them is not doing any AOEs. Well, okay, the first pull is not that big, maybe they thought whatever. But then every time they got one of this mobs with the line, they just ran away like headless chicken. Still not doing AOEs on the rest of the mobs or rather bringing their chained mob to the rest of us so they can be hit by our AOEs... or doing anything productive at all. Nope. Just running around in a big circle like they were going with their pet dog on a walk. It was funny to watch but mobs were dying really slow because of one DD not doing their job.
-
09-25-2019, 07:44 AMFedoraTheExplorer
Got WoD for alliance roulette (finally, something that isn't LotA/syrcus) and like... it's not a bad run, certainly not the smoothest. But one of our DPS, an RDM kept failing on mechanics then kept posting angrily in the chat about "mechanics they couldn't see". They keep complaining up until Cerberus when they die again, complained some more, said "thats it" and fake disconnected. Honestly, what do you say to that other than learn to pay more attention..
-
09-25-2019, 07:51 AMHyoMinPark
Omg the Cruise Chaser puns! You guys have been hanging out with Koji Fox again, haven’t you?!
I was actually wondering if we were going to wipe because people weren’t killing the E.D.D. add, but it died right before it was about to explode. I almost wanted to wipe so we could kick the NIN. I really don’t like players that AFK the entire time and expect players to do the work for them. The guy wasn’t new and was level 70+ (he was wearing the SB AF as a glamour), so there’s literally no excuse. I don’t normally kick players but I can’t tolerate leeching.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho
-
09-25-2019, 09:39 AMKacho_NachoMe neither. Everyone should attempt to pull their weight. That means being well equipped and possessing some potions.Quote:
Originally Posted by HyoMinPark
I don't obsess over their exact performance as long as they want to succeed. The journey is more important than the speed you burn thru it.
They also should be a lalafell, miqo'te, or veira. ;) .((joking)) -
09-25-2019, 04:17 PMTalithaSolarienYour'e not the only one who has problems with these kind of mechanics. Titania's Frost Runes I finally managed (if I'm not completly ignoring them) by slightly tilting the camera to see where the 2nd circle drops. But Tsukuyomi's Fans are still my bane to this day.Quote:
Originally Posted by RivinStormfang
Weird, as the mechanic isn't that hard but my brain has problems processing that in time. -
09-25-2019, 05:17 PMDogempire
I got an E2N run today that basically sums up what I think of Duty finder parties.
The tank was spamming macros just to get people to be able to do mechanics correctly, despite that, someone overlapped a puddle marker onto the stack marker and killed 5 or 6 people, the only healer left alive only healed themselves, a couple people decided to just ignore the stack markers which caused issues with puddle + stack and the samurai decided the best way to deal with the stack marker would be to just run away with it and take the 300k hit and die, and after the samurai set the precedent the party just saw the stack marker as the run away marker.
Also, nobody (Well except myself) was pulling dps above 6k.
As much as I try to not be too elitist, there's only so much idiocy you can tolerate within the span of a single raid. -
09-25-2019, 05:43 PMKatie_KittyWhat do you expect from normal raids? Most people doing those raids don't even have most of their skills on hotbars, they don't know how to zoom the camera out to even see more of the battle arena, these are people who spam a 1-2-3 combo over and over while only reacting to what they can see in their immediate vicinity and why should they bother to learn any mechanics when they can just get carried for the story then never touch it again? They don't want to learn to play the game, they don't care about performing well when they do, and every other duty the game has ever asked them to queue for has been easy enough that they can be carried by better players so they never learned to expect anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogempire
These are people who get nervous about queuing for regular dungeons.. -
09-25-2019, 05:47 PMKatie_KittyAt this point i just take the penalty and leave if I get a single-pulling tank. Happened earlier when I was getting tomestones, just not worth the annoyance. Left, came back 30m later, just got the rest of the tomes on my Paladin. At least that way I can make sure we're double pulling and just AoE them down myself if I have to due to bad DPS players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xtrasweettea
-
09-25-2019, 06:07 PMRhus
You left a dungeon part way through because the tank was slow pulling? Sat out a 30 minute ban then re entered a new 20 minute? Dungeon just to do large pulls?
You’d have been quicker with the first dungeon run and sticking with it. This is an instance of slow and steady wins the race I feel. -
09-25-2019, 06:18 PMReviaInfantry
Ran Trial as MNK a few days ago and hit on The Chrysalis. Probably one or two of new DPS is new (with gear kind of acceptable HP wise, not the sync down version so probably a bit less than Ironworks). First round kind of wiped at 2nd Nabriales ball spam.
Before second round, some people asked about ball stuff and some older players (include me) inform about alternate balls. I also put in one of the important things for that fight: Save LB for time stop tear LB. (which isn't almost necessary but my previous runs, most of all other players go stack under falling rocks while only me or 1 or 2 others DPS the tear) Then we have a very unlucky streak of wipe at ball due to green and red balls spawn location, player location, and poor grasp of positioning (one of the wipe, 2 players on one side, another 6 on another side).
During every tries, some issues also cropped up, such as one DPS standing in the middle without doing anything (without DC icon), and only move when people start asking. And people dying to Nabriales teleport beam attack, several times.
Final try, most people are growing impatient but steeled themselves for final run, and after second ball, 4 or 5 are still standing for time stop. Knowing people will ignore the tear even if informed, I ran beside the first rock fall.
Then... Everyone is suddenly full health. The horror when I realized healer is using LB to res everyone. And sure enough, no one is DPSing that tear.
Meteor came, next round, vote abandon passed. -
09-25-2019, 06:20 PMAlleoYeah its really annoying. If I go out my way to collect the chests you just left behind then dont tell me when to use those items..I am fine if you use them (and I love it when others in my party pop the primals) but dont be mean and call people dummy because they dont use it exactly as you would use it..I mean I could understand it if I used them while we had other one-hit items, but if we dont and nothing else is going on (or we nearly there at activating the exit) then its never a waste.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge
After that run I watched the floors a bit more and had runs where we never ever had a negative effect on the higher floors..so another bad reason to keep them to use them there since you wont ever know if you get one or not.
In the end the average run takes around 12 minutes for me, with 15 being the longest and 10 being the shortest. In that short amount of time it really should be no problem to use items as we want to on any room..it will always take away some of the time needed so its never imo a waste. -
09-25-2019, 10:26 PMMikuMitsukoI don't know why but it seems most people just cannot wrap their pug brains around Chrysalis. Nearly every time I get that trial it involves multiple wipes due to people just not being able to do simple mechanics, even after they're explained. And once I had a similar thing happen where someone melee LB'd Nabriales just before we got sucked into the Tear room.... :(Quote:
Originally Posted by ReviaInfantry