Post Your Healing Horror Stories.

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Originally Posted by raela

On STR tanks: I know some people groan and instantly assume it'll be awful, but I've had some really impressive 12k HP / full STR accessory DRK/WARs in ex roulette and Alex normal in the DF.. they keep aggro and I mainly DPS because the fairy is enough to keep them going. I assume it's from having really good CD use?

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Yep that is how it works. More STR helps maintain threat easier, plus self-healing skills/cooldowns are scaled to more damage = more HP healed.

However, of course with the STR/VIT debate I would only recommend starting to max out such when a tank can play their job correctly with appropriate cooldown use, isn't under-geared, and can meet a certain HP threshold for the instance. WAR has cooldowns like Thrill, Vengeance, and Raw Intuition easily available to help get "Defiance-like" defense while in Deliverance.

So I always use full STR even in roulette, alex, and Ravana EX. Like I keep a cooldown rotation going from mobs to bosses allowing healers to DPS, or at-least I hope with some DF healers.

Just like how we healers can use CDs like Bene, Dignity, Lustrate as-needed for a big heal burst for DPSing or what not. Using the big stuff like PLD Hallowed Ground early-on as an option to handle a bigger pull helps too to allow a healer stay in clerics longer, and it'll be up again for that instance. So double win. Of course we've all seen bad tanks go out there "saving" the good stuff like Sentinel and HG and end up never using them. That mindset for trivial content is just thinking there is going to be a fail.

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Originally Posted by raela

On STR tanks: I know some people groan and instantly assume it'll be awful, but I've had some really impressive 12k HP / full STR accessory DRK/WARs in ex roulette and Alex normal in the DF.. they keep aggro and I mainly DPS because the fairy is enough to keep them going. I assume it's from having really good CD use?

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My FC's main tank is full STR on his WAR and PLD (and he'll probably do the same on DRK). He's religious with his CDs and timing, and not hard to keep alive (assuming things don't get derped) even with large pulls. Rarely loses hate, etcetc. I trust him to tank the difficult or big stuff and keep his peeps safe.
"I assume it's from having really good CD use?" It's exactly this, as far as I know xD

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Originally Posted by Arkenne

I also laughed with that...
You should play BLM a bit, its very easy going and lets you see your DPS partner with contempt :v
Besides, you burn things with FIRE!!.

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xD AST followed by a mass of monsters followed by a DRG, whom is followed by a DRK, and followed by a NIN. z.z

I find DPS more stressful, honestly. o.o Even worse when it's a DPS that can cross-class or has a heal-type (ACN/THM) and I'm trying not to step on the healer's toes by habit healing @_@ *Sits on hands* I tried THM for a while....... I always felt like I had judging eyes staring into my soul o____o Do I Fire II.... possibly throw hate from this tank.... and I get in trouble..... or do I not.... and only hit what he's hitting... and get silently judged for not Fire II-ing....? xD

I'm at that point in leveling where I seem to get another horror story with each dungeon I do.

However, Titan HM continues to be one of the scariest things I've done. It's just that slow process of seeing people getting hit by landslide and watching the list of players still on the arena shrinking with each attack. I think the worst, other than a full wipe, was when the only three left alive at the end of the fight were both tanks and me as SCH. I'm fairly certain I got Gaoled just before Titan went down, and had something like 10% of my hp left, with only Eos actually able to heal anyone. The worst part of it is that even with HW gear, that was the smoothest Titan HM I've ever done.

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Originally Posted by Saseal

Do I Fire II.... possibly throw hate from this tank.... and I get in trouble..... or do I not.... and only hit what he's hitting... and get silently judged for not Fire II-ing....? xD

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For what it's worth, here's how I approached it: Once I see the second Flash/Overpower and there are at least three mobs, I'll open up unless there's a priority target or some other compelling reason not to (Qarn bees, I'm looking at you ..... -.-).

As for a story, I wasn't the healer but I could sympathize: Copperbell normal, I'm on arcanist. Two pulls in, I get a vague idea that it's going to turn into one of those interesting runs when on the first two-mob pack, the healer takes a mob with her first heal (and she waited for the tank to hit ~65%). It took a couple moments for the tank to react, but it's still early, so I'm not worried yet. Only thing is ... it keeps happening, to the point where I've had to pick mobs off her more than a couple times because the tank isn't reacting quickly enough (or at all).

After the first boss, I'm toying with pulling out Topaz, but I hold off. We struggle to the second boss, but the tank still isn't responding to the healer's pleadings to hold aggro. The hardest thing to do on this boss is stay awake, though, right? Nah -- he throws his shield at the first bomb to come out, which causes Carby to finish it off. Oops. OK, I switch him to passive -- one problem solved. The tank then gets blown up by the next bomb and returns to start (!), so he's now out of the fight. Healer ends up tanking the remainder so we can deal with adds (I nearly went to Topaz here, but didn't want to split my attention).

Boss goes down, we move on, and I finally decide I can't take any more of the healer having to tank everything -- out comes Topaz and the entire third section turns into the tank handling the one mob in each group he's paying attention to and me covering the others. The tank still hasn't said a word through all of this, by the way (I'd have expected some sort of reaction to what was basically a direct challenge to him), so I just left my pet out to tank the final boss.

I don't know why, but it's always Copperbell. Except, that is, for this one bad Haukke run I had, but that's one for another day.

Speaking of kiting I was on my whm and the tank in cutters cry was new, so when I started to kite the ants he chased after me in circles for a good 3 minutes (we got the new player message but they never said it was them). That was long enough for a second set to spawn at which point he gave up xD

My favorite comment was made by a scholar in t1 back when it was kind of relevant. 'I am a battle mage, I don't heal~'

Lol never had a Tank chase me with the ants but have had DPS start attacking them and then they pull all the aggro and die. I normally state in chat before the boss starts to touch nothing but the boss and I will handle the rest.

TFW you worked your absolute butt off keeping everyone alive and know you're the only reason the party won but you don't get a single commendation and on the outside you're like "it's fine I don't do this for comms!" but inside you're like

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Ok, so did A3 normal for the first time today healers were me and a AST. Run went smoothly down it on the first try, only negative thing about the run was that I solo healed pretty much 95% of the fight. Yep solo healed the tanks and the dps through out 95% of the fight why, cause the AST did next to nothing other then get carried. They did not even dps their mana bar went down too about 80% near the end of the fight cause I was out of mana, other then that they didn't shit!!!

I went into Dusk Vigil on my monk over the weekend. We said our customary hellos and started the first pull. As I'm punching, I hear the sound of the limit break bar going up like crazy and I realize the tank is hovering at about 2k hp. "Huh," I think, "is the healer here? Yes, he's here. What's going on-"

Tank dies. We manage to last long enough to kill 2 of the 3 mobs, but ultimately wipe.

We dust ourselves off and I inspect the AST. Oh geez, a level 41 weapon... four of his accessories are int. He barely had 5k health. I hadn't seen gear this behind since the time I got a DRK using the i75 moogle sword in Sohm Al.

It was certainly an interesting run. Any time we fought a pack of 3 or more, the tank's health floated at critical levels and by the end of it, the healer would be OOM. I asked him if he had a better weapon, but he replied that if he did, he would be using it. (Why he didn't buy a lovely i115 white quality weapon from the vendors in Ishgard is another question.)

We couldn't quite deal with the last boss; while the fight is normally quite forgiving, the AST's max hp was so low that virtually any mistake meant his doom, and subsequently ours. We wiped three times due to the AST getting sucked into the whirling gaol and dying in short order - keep in mind no one was new - I advised him to get better gear and we vote kicked him. Our replacement healer not only kept us topped off easily, he spent most of his time in Cleric Stance.

tl;dr For the love of the Twelve, keep your gear up to date D:

Also props to that DRK for awesome cooldown usage.

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Originally Posted by Bamboofox

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Oh, Jesus. I would have kicked that healer a lot sooner. The i115 NQ stuff is in Ishgard. >.< Literally one teleport away from the AST Guild. And I think they even have accessories, armor, and weapons too.

I saw a healer once come in with full INT accessories and they were like, "Oh it's fine, I can just swap to Cleric Stance and heal since it swaps INT and MND". I was absolutely appalled. Their MND and INT stats were so out of wack that they were struggling to keep people alive and running out of MP consistently.

I cri evrytime.

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Originally Posted by Saseal

I always felt like I had judging eyes staring into my soul o____o Do I Fire II.... possibly throw hate from this tank.... and I get in trouble..... or do I not.... and only hit what he's hitting... and get silently judged for not Fire II-ing....? xD

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As a tank alt, I always say play the best you can as BLM because we hate seeing slow DPS, BLMs that don't AoE, and "Ice Mages". More importantly it will teach them that they can't rely on 'weak' hate on mobs they don't want to hit. A good tank will learn to split their combo between mobs to keep their aggro high enough so AoEs don't rip. Plus others won't be forgiving when they get to expert roulette level if they don't know how to get good with aggro on a big pull, they will suffer. The earlier they learn, the easier it gets.

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Originally Posted by Bamboofox

*horrible AST with still a <50 ilvl weapon in level 51 dungeon*

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I remember hearing from someone a DRK dying to just the first 3 hits from the first mob in Dusk Vigil, they had some level 15 right sides and I think just a level 48 weapon and paltry left-sides. Yet they were a level 60 SCH main. You would think they know how gear progression is being a healer.

I agree with Selli that the healer should have been kicked from the first death, because the carrying needs to stop somewhere. To add to herpoint there is even a vendor in the AST guild that sells weapons.

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Originally Posted by Saseal

I always felt like I had judging eyes staring into my soul o____o Do I Fire II.... possibly throw hate from this tank.... and I get in trouble..... or do I not.... and only hit what he's hitting... and get silently judged for not Fire II-ing....? xD

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Originally Posted by technole

As a tank alt, I always say play the best you can as BLM because we hate seeing slow DPS, BLMs that don't AoE, and "Ice Mages". More importantly it will teach them that they can't rely on 'weak' hate on mobs they don't want to hit. A good tank will learn to split their combo between mobs to keep their aggro high enough so AoEs don't rip. Plus others won't be forgiving when they get to expert roulette level if they don't know how to get good with aggro on a big pull, they will suffer. The earlier they learn, the easier it gets.

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If the mobs are marked, be nice and kill them in order. If not, assume AoE is expected. In expert it is now a test of the tank to see if I've grabbed aggro after my opener. It's fun watching a warrior who went into deliverance suddenly realize they can't get away with it. :rolleyes:

I expected to have horror stories today after running 4 dungeons as AST last night but the only one that was bad was main scenario roulette. The tanks were just clueless about where to go. In Dusk Vigil the paladin was doing really large pulls but was good with cooldowns so it was stressful but not a nightmare.

I went on Titan EX for the first time last night.

My soul is as broken as my armour.

I'm embarrassed to say I created the healer horror story. Trial roulette, healer was in need so I popped onto white mage and queued. Got Bismarck story, which I have maybe healed once, if at all (I don't even remember). I probably would have been ok except I got flustered when the dragonkiller wasn't activated and that was when the tank decided to tell us that the healers should grab them. So I'm trying to take care of that, and then they also want me to holy bomb because dps was low (two new people were in the run). So at one point I run to grab the dragonkiller and got knocked off the island after I activated it. I almost left right there, but decided to stick it out and show them I was just having a bad start. But someone left and then everyone followed, so I didn't get to redeem myself. :(

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Originally Posted by Sagittarian

If the mobs are marked, be nice and kill them in order. If not, assume AoE is expected. In expert it is now a test of the tank to see if I've grabbed aggro after my opener. It's fun watching a warrior who went into deliverance suddenly realize they can't get away with it. :rolleyes:

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Yeah, when I'm on MNK in lvl 50-60 dungeons, I'll just spam the shit out of my AoEs if there's a mob. BS -> SP -> Rockbreaker or DK -> TS -> Rockbreaker -> Elixer Field when GL III for max damage on CD AoEs -> repeat BS/SP/Rock Breaker or DK/TS/Rockbreaker -> Howling Fist when GL 2/3, or slap PB and spam Rockbreaker, then Elixer and Howling when PB wears off, when the mob is particularly big/chaotic. If the tank loses aggro to me, then I just accept that they need to pay more attention to the whole of the mob (and I'm fine if theres just shit ton of chaos and one strays, but I mean like losing a pack to me...), not just whatever one they're hitting (I'm usually good about hitting the same one they're hitting, between AoEing... but sometimes I just tab target after an enemy dies and oopsy... wasn't same one >.>).
IE - 'they should know better by now' at 50+. If it's marked, then yeah, hard for me to ignore the order (...I like instructions).

I've only Thaum'ed low level in low level dungeons and just sort of feared getting blamed for pulling aggro by AoEing off young tanks (as I've witnessed a few times while healing >_> */soothes the poor BLMs*)... so it's moreso low level stuff NOT with FC that makes me a little unsure/insecure about AoEing

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Originally Posted by Saseal

a little unsure/insecure about AoEing

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BLM AoE is effective at any point there is more than 1 target, so feel free to AoE asap :v
If they can't hold aggro, you can look at the Tank with contempt!! The lowlives can't do their job v:!!! (try not to eat too much dirt tho, cuz it usually ends up in your death).

If they definitely aren't AoE aggro managing, look at it this way, at least they will not go the healer's way first.
Sleep is useful.

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Originally Posted by Arkenne

BLM AoE is effective at any point there is more than 1 target, so feel free to AoE asap :v
If they can't hold aggro, you can look at the Tank with contempt!! The lowlives can't do their job v:!!! (try not to eat too much dirt tho, cuz it usually ends up in your death).

If they definitely aren't AoE aggro managing, look at it this way, at least they will not go the healer's way first.
Sleep is useful.

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rofl - Conteeemptt... CONTEEEEMPT... (~+□+)~

Well, since everyone's saying the same thing - the next time I poke about Thaum, I'll try to un-limit myself... xD;

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Originally Posted by Saseal

I've only Thaum'ed low level in low level dungeons and just sort of feared getting blamed for pulling aggro by AoEing off young tanks (as I've witnessed a few times while healing >_> */soothes the poor BLMs*)... so it's moreso low level stuff NOT with FC that makes me a little unsure/insecure about AoEing

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You hold back some when all the mobs have red triangle indicators. But generally it is rare for me at least, to pull aggro while AOE. Tanks know to AOE threat as much as possible with a BLM in the group.

I feel like I am getting discriminated as a role-player. Not a day goes by without me dying at least once in dungeons or thrash pulls in Alex because of my character's name...:(

Cause of death is always:

1) Healer too busy typing out a paragraph while in middle of a pull
2) Healer asking for autograph and/or screenshot
3) Because I have to "die" at least once

*crys moar*

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Originally Posted by Heavensword

I feel like I am getting discriminated as a role-player. Not a day goes by without me dying at least once in dungeons or thrash pulls in Alex because of my character's name...:(

Cause of death is always:

1) Healer too busy typing out a paragraph while in middle of a pull
2) Healer asking for autograph and/or screenshot
3) Because I have to "die" at least once

*crys moar*

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Can I have a screenshot?

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Originally Posted by Fevelle

Can I have a screenshot?

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Sure! Note: NONE of what you see in the screenshot is planned. I was simply queuing up for leveling roulette while I was still leveling and just ended up with the party you see in the picture!

http://s12.postimg.org/akuirw7jd/the_vault.jpg

http://s13.postimg.org/lz98os20j/Francel.jpg

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Just in case you have a sudden urge for a close-up look:

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Can it really be considered roleplay though? I mean if the game you were playing wasn't FFXIV then it would work, but currently you're in a game that already has a haurchefant and he's dead. o.O

Just breaks all kinds of lore. Unless you're his long lost twin by the same name.

Along similar lines, had a tank in Dusk Vigil with the i55 GC weapon. >_< They had the i115 equipment from the quests but hadn't found the marketplace. I think the dps was holding back (with i110) because the tank held aggro but the whole thing was really really slowwwwwwwww. Protect wore off before getting to the second boss.

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Originally Posted by Sagittarian

Protect wore off before getting to the second boss.

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Originally Posted by MayuraT

So... I'm kiting, raise sch, kite, raise other tank, kite, sch dies, kite, raise sch again, kite, raise monk, kite, sch dies, kite and gives up on sch, raise other DDs, kite, some other DDs die again, kite, and this goes on for 15 min until i got interrupted on a cure2 and dies and we finally wiped...

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Originally Posted by MayuraT

sch dies, kite, raise sch again, kite, raise monk, kite, sch dies, kite and gives up on sch, raise other DDs, kite, some other DDs die again

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Originally Posted by MayuraT

kite and gives up on sch

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Once you realize that raising your co-healer is pointless during a raid, a part of your soul dies. ;_;

Played as a SCH in Brayflox while doing leveling roulette. Party was filled with 3 other sprouts. Despite tank losing aggro a few times on first boss and a couple trash the run was generally smooth. Upon tanking the boss both dps was dpsing in front of Aiatar for some reason. Only until all 3 of them got hit by Dragon Breath's and inflicted with those stacks of poison ...




I died of a heart attack as a SCH that night

Ran Expert as SCH the other night with a PLD, DRG, and MCH. Got Neverreap.

I notice early on that the PLD stops attacking occasionally to cast Clemency for no reason. At first I assume he's panicking because I let him get around half HP until I swap back out of CS to top him off and resume DPS. I make a reassuring joke about taking care of him and keep going.

He continues to do this throughout the dungeon. I've ripped aggro from him a couple of times by keeping up DoTs and focusing Broil. I suggest to him that he's going to keep losing aggro if he keeps casting Clemency instead of throwing out more enmity combos or Flashes. He responds that healing generates enmity...I just tell him it's not enough enmity compared to his other tools, and I let it drop.

At the final boss the MCH gets blown off the platform at the first push-back AoE. Later on the DRG does the same, leaving me and the Clemency tank to duo 50% of the annoying boss' HP bar.

Final tally: Top DPS for overall dungeon run and for most encounters = SCH.

I worked hard for the esos.

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Originally Posted by Celicious

Played as a SCH in Brayflox [...] stacks of poison [...] I died of a heart attack as a SCH that night

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Yeah T_T At least these days you can use Selene's party-wide cleanse, but before HW? I really don't like those dungeons that have a strict "No Leeches! :C" policy.

people in rav ex in a "farm group" who dont know what they're doing

Got a level-sync'd WAR on a Tam-Tara roulette last week. She had no armor. Really. Her chest piece was the Moonfire Faire white swimsuit. No glamour.

She apologized for her crappy armor. We started the run. Our AST kept her alive! Awesome! And fortunately, at the first set of orbs, the Soulcutter dropped a Plundered Cuirass. You never saw 3 players hit "PASS" so quickly.

:)

I remember my very first time in A2 when it first came out... I was told that dps was suuuper important so I had to solo heal the whole thing as sch (180ilvl at the time), while the whm was in the gobwalker. ._. It was fine until final phase where I kept ooming from the healing needed, and we kept wiping at last phase... Was told I needed better mana management... ;-; eventually a dps did the gobwalker instead and we cleared it.

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Originally Posted by Noxifer

Yeah T_T At least these days you can use Selene's party-wide cleanse, but before HW? I really don't like those dungeons that have a strict "No Leeches! :C" policy.

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LOL! I remember. That was always fun. Tank: 'We wiped cause this newbie healer didn't cleanse me! WTF is up with that?!' Me: 'Erm, Scholar here. No cleanse yet...' Tank: 'Aren't you a healer? Can't you take the cleanse from Conjurers?' Me: *looks down, looks up, scuffs toe in dirt* 'Nope...'

Self-made horror...
......I need to stop playing at 3am. Went into the 'More than a feeler' hest, on an alt, and completely forgot to heal the tank, while popping bubbles. ._.
*Sits in a corner, lays down, and dies.*

Went back in again, to do it over and do it right, but.... Argh

The shame has never felt so heavy....
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Originally Posted by Alisi

LOL! I remember. That was always fun. Tank: 'We wiped cause this newbie healer didn't cleanse me! WTF is up with that?!' Me: 'Erm, Scholar here. No cleanse yet...' Tank: 'Aren't you a healer? Can't you take the cleanse from Conjurers?' Me: *looks down, looks up, scuffs toe in dirt* 'Nope...'

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I always found Cutter's Cry worse with SCH, since you can enter it at 39, one level before you get Leeches. Two of the bosses there have some pretty strong debuffs, and there's always someone who doesn't pay attention with the Chimera and gets Paralyzed.

Fortunately, once you hit 40 it's a lot easier.

Today's horror story:
I want to farm ponies, I've been trying to get Ramuh's pony for a while but I always lose rolls ;-;
Anyway! So I join this unsynched party for pony farm as a white mage...
Now. I have no idea about those unsynch strategies that forgets orbs, but in the last phase the MT had those terrible 3 red stacks and didn't swap Ramuh with the OT (who wasn't getting orbs) so I try my best to keep him alive (even using benediction and tetra), a cure II would heal 200 hp.
Then of course I got the rolling thunder + paralysis and no one freed me.
After the first kill (acquired with sweat and blood after 5 wipes, mt decides to use vit jewelry because, yeah, that will make a difference), I just left the party and turned off my computer.
Now I am sitting here frustrated with myself because I feel bad for leaving.

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

Ran Expert as SCH the other night with a PLD, DRG, and MCH. Got Neverreap.

I notice early on that the PLD stops attacking occasionally to cast Clemency for no reason.

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As a a PLD myself, I hate when they do that or constantly cast stoneskin on themselves like its a cooldown (It is not). Clemency casting time is too long at 3s, and costs so much MP that you're likely healed by a healer in the time you cast. Plus you can't block while casting, it is subject to interruption, and most of all it is a DPS loss which could lead to loss aggro in a solo tank situation.

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Originally Posted by technole

As a a PLD myself, I hate when they do that or constantly cast stoneskin on themselves like its a cooldown (It is not). Clemency casting time is too long at 3s, and costs so much MP that you're likely healed by a healer in the time you cast. Plus you can't block while casting, it is subject to interruption, and most of all it is a DPS loss which could lead to loss aggro in a solo tank situation.

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It also serves to infuriate your healer.

On Chrysalis I keep getting tanks that constantly stop to use Stoneskin for when Spark comes up, I feel like saying "have a little faith in me, will you?!"

I find casting SS as a PLD on double or triple Spark (or similar situations) to be totally okay.
Many healers don't SS for that, precast timed heals for that or even start healing too late.

This is smart imo, the boss is not auto attacking during the casts anyway, why would you be infuriated by that?
Notice it once, stay in CS a GCD longer or do something else.

k so in a rav ex farm group
main tank during adds phase faces rav to the party (it was 2 tanks not party soak) turns it back around, then takes not 1 taspya like you're suppose to, but two to the face,and blames it on "weak heals"