VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

New Hairstyle out! AVAILABLE FOR BOTH HROTHGAR AND VIERA!!!!!! It looks kind of bad on a majority of the races, but I kind of like it on Hrothgar, I don't know if it is my face paint or just being not so bad on a non-humanoid face. But it looks good.
It low-key gives me the vibe of a young Hrothgar that is growing his hair/main. Very cute!

https://i.imgur.com/lKOJnL4.png

https://i.imgur.com/WlIe24e.png

https://i.imgur.com/654wcQd.png

I think this looks genuinely good on Hrothgar and I'm super happy to have a Hrothgar W especially when this style is a big L on a majority of races. I think the Hrothgar face and proportions balance the receded hairline in a way other races, even Highlanders, don't. It's very cute and natural, and like you said it gives the big cats a youthful appearance. Sometimes it's nice to just get something that actually fits on a race that has been shafted with too many Karen hairstyles.

I do like how it looks, personally, but I also wish they could actually 'deform' hairstyle models so they fit Hrothgar heads properly, rather than just plop a one-size-fits-all wig and call it a day - 9S's hairstyle for example looks good on the front, but has the peanut complex when looking at it from the side.

This is true for all races, really, but I think it's most noticeable in Hroths due to their non conventional heads.

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Originally Posted by Pip_Chick

It low-key gives me the vibe of a young Hrothgar that is growing his hair/main. Very cute!

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Perfect for an ARR Hrothgar WoL!

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Originally Posted by Pip_Chick

New Hairstyle out! AVAILABLE FOR BOTH HROTHGAR AND VIERA!!!!!! It looks kind of bad on a majority of the races, but I kind of like it on Hrothgar, I don't know if it is my face paint or just being not so bad on a non-humanoid face. But it looks good.
It low-key gives me the vibe of a young Hrothgar that is growing his hair/main. Very cute!

https://i.imgur.com/lKOJnL4.png

https://i.imgur.com/WlIe24e.png

https://i.imgur.com/654wcQd.png

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It looks so god damn good on Hrothgar!

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Originally Posted by ronibosch

I may be in the minority here, but I'm really hoping for more "fluffy"/wavy hairstyles for Viera (or across the board, really; Hrothgar look good with fluffy hair, too).

*looks over at Venat's hair*

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100%
I'm tired of the all of the flat hairstyles & cutesy ones
I want long, mermaid & goddess waves for Viera

Looks really good on Hroth thats for sure, but on us it just looks…..wrong xD still happy we all got it though!

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Originally Posted by Pip_Chick

New Hairstyle out! AVAILABLE FOR BOTH HROTHGAR AND VIERA!!!!!! It looks kind of bad on a majority of the races, but I kind of like it on Hrothgar, I don't know if it is my face paint or just being not so bad on a non-humanoid face. But it looks good.
It low-key gives me the vibe of a young Hrothgar that is growing his hair/main. Very cute!

https://i.imgur.com/lKOJnL4.png

https://i.imgur.com/WlIe24e.png

https://i.imgur.com/654wcQd.png

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HOLY F.....thats actually not bad
W for Hrothgar & the Devs <3

Happy to see that Hrothgar (of all races!) are still winning in the hairstyle department this patch after being left behind for 4 long years. We didn't get our race exclusive styles but this is almost as good.

Closest we'll get to a "bald" look for Hrothgar...and it works incredibly well.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Closest we'll get to a "bald" look for Hrothgar...and it works incredibly well.

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I wonder....would it look good on females...or would it just make them look Butch...
I guess that depends on the body they give HrothQueens

The new Loporrt emote on Viera.

…. That is all.

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Originally Posted by xxmiamorecadenza

The new Loporrt emote on Viera.

…. That is all.

:’]

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did people really expect it to work differently on viera

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Originally Posted by Duskane

did people really expect it to work differently on viera

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Imma be honest it just looks mediocre in general. But it looks comically bad on the big-eared Viera in particular. I’m not sure if it was intentional or not tbh.

i absolutely did not expect the new hair to work for us and it's also totally different from the others and not just "we used an older, longer hairstyle because it's the easiest to port over".

nice.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

did people really expect it to work differently on viera

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... I did, honestly. I've just checked it out after looking at this thread and I feel a bit insulted.

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Originally Posted by ameliaw

... I did, honestly. I've just checked it out after looking at this thread and I feel a bit insulted.

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I guess I was hoping for this considering it's official art.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqlO2pbX...name=4096x4096

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Originally Posted by xxmiamorecadenza

I guess I was hoping for this considering it's official art.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqlO2pbX...name=4096x4096

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It's just that... if you're not going to bother animating my actual rabbit ears, why add this emote to the game? If they wanted the loporrit tribe to give an emote they could have come up with something else if it is too much work. It looks ridiculous, lazy and cheap.

There is already a mod out that wiggles the ears and removes the loporrit ears....that was quick. and totally expected.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

There is already a mod out that wiggles the ears and removes the loporrit ears....that was quick. and totally expected.

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It's somehow frustrating that modders often do the devs job. Especially because modding isn't allowed. (I guess because modding is illegal in Japan in general, and SE is a Japanese company)

So the devs don't deliver what is needed, and on the other side its forbidden to use existing solutions.
I understand that it would be also unfair for console players, but it's not a secret that you have to play on pc if you are interested in using mods in general (in every game).

I wish that SE would give more ressources to FFXIV so that the devs themselves can deliver what is needed.
It's always better to have stuff inside the game. Mods are no good solution, and as I've said, also forbidden.

The emote is absolutely ridiculous, I can’t think of the people who decided yup its good enough to launch it

At this point, it feels like Viera ears are a costume and not an actual part of their bodies. Those silly Loporrit ears during the emote have more life in them.

Another patch -- another comment I feel like I should add to the thread to voice my displeasure with the options for Male Viera.

Whoever is designing and/or porting the hair for Viera, please stop giving us Code Lyoko foreheads. I'm begging you.

The ears stuff is sad, really, but que sera, sera.

I know I'm a broken record but it's not just a Viera problem, it's a problem with the hairline of the hairstyle itself. It looks equally tic-tac-toe-headed on Miqote, Lalafell, Au'ra, etc. Everybody is having this complaint, not just Viera. In fact, it looks just as bad on even female Roes when I think this type of haircut should suit them very well because it's a "butch" style and short haircuts tend to suit them. It's poorly fitted on everyone except Hrothgar and maybe male Highlanders (arguably, I still think it looks bad on Highlanders.) I would like them to edit this hair on everybody, pull the hairline down and be more conscious in the future about the different face styles in their game and how particular hairlines will fit. I just don't want to pursue the narrative that this is a Viera only problem because every single race deserves more attention when it comes to fitting hairstyles properly.

Evidence of the hairlines lining up perfectly on Viera and a female Roe with chin, eyes and brows at exactly the same height as well:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqtEvZ_X...png&name=small

Catgirl comparison. Again, identical

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqtH0F5W...g&name=360x360

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Originally Posted by ronibosch

At this point, it feels like Viera ears are a costume and not an actual part of their bodies. Those silly Loporrit ears during the emote have more life in them.

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Hrothgar and Viera ears are just glorified horns, I WISH they'd move at least with emotes like Miqo'te ears do.

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Originally Posted by Caro178

Catgirl comparison. Again, identical

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqtH0F5W...g&name=360x360

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Not the point of your post but am I crazy or does this look really pretty? XD I want bottom lashes now.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

Hrothgar and Viera ears are just glorified horns, I WISH they'd move at least with emotes like Miqo'te ears do.

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You and me both, Im so sad for how stiff they made them…the floppy ears flop a tiiiny bit when you run but thats it…

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

You and me both, Im so sad for how stiff they made them…the floppy ears flop a tiiiny bit when you run but thats it…

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The ears of Viera are so big, it is very jarring when they act like inanimate objects glued on top of their head. Hrothgar ears are so small, you can kind of be okay with their rigidness, but for Viera is just a bad look.
With the new emote I was kind of hoping that they wouldn't have plastered the Loporit ears on top of any race, just make them do the emote without them. And make the ears of races with animal ears move. How it is shown in the art piece from the other page, that would have looked great!

And in regards to your other post, I am glad I was not the only one who noticed that the bottom image looked very pretty in a weird way, can't really put my finger on why. XD

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Originally Posted by Pip_Chick

snippyXD

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I agree with not plastering the ears :( such a stupid decision, plus yes in the official art it was shown that we move our OWN ears! Why do the painters do such a good job and then pretty much anyone else at SE decide to ignore or decide nah not worth the extra work, I swear its like they give zero damns about our races, Im starting to get horribly impatient about everything lately.
Do Hrothgar have any kind of ear animation? I know that cat boys can wiggle them a bit.

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

I agree with not plastering the ears :( such a stupid decision, plus yes in the official art it was shown that we move our OWN ears! Why do the painters do such a good job and then pretty much anyone else at SE decide to ignore or decide nah not worth the extra work, I swear its like they give zero damns about our races, Im starting to get horribly impatient about everything lately.
Do Hrothgar have any kind of ear animation? I know that cat boys can wiggle them a bit.

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Nope, they are more static than Viera, by that I mean that they don't move at all.

I would love some small ear animations for Hrothgar, like rotating your ear when doing scouting animations, or flopping them when embarrassed. But I am resigned to that never happening unless you are a Miquo'te.

Edited to add: We might see some better treatment once they finish with ff16 and the devs that have been moved there are returned to 14.

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Originally Posted by Pip_Chick

Nope, they are more static than Viera, by that I mean that they don't move at all.

I would love some small ear animations for Hrothgar, like rotating your ear when doing scouting animations, or flopping them when embarrassed. But I am resigned to that never happening unless you are a Miquo'te.

Edited to add: We might see some better treatment once they finish with ff16 and the devs that have been moved there are returned to 14.

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The weirdest part is that there's no slider for Hroth ears, you just....plop bigger ears (or "shrink" them by taking it away) in the facial feature tab. They are, by all means, just ear looking horns.

Miqo'te already have fully functional ears, I wonder if it would've really been that hard to port them over to the Hroth model, but then again 6.1 exposed what unnecessary mess they made with their ear/heads so....

https://i.imgur.com/xprBAQ8.png


*cough.*

Old image on Reddit. Unfortunate phrasing.

Well, we can't wear 'em, might as well hang them somewhere just to get them out of our bags.

I truly do not understand how there is still content being released with portions of it simple unavailable to Viera and Hrothgar, especially paid cash shop items. It's wild!

https://media.tenor.com/DuitE86zupUA...-obviously.gif

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Originally Posted by Aexnidaral

I truly do not understand how there is still content being released with portions of it simple unavailable to Viera and Hrothgar, especially paid cash shop items. It's wild!

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hroth and viera will have been added to the game 4 years ago in 3 months time and they're still doing this trash.

To be clear I am NOT excusing these practices, but they aren't going to overhaul the lack of a Hroth/Viera hat hair system (which yes, as has been pointed out many times is the real problem) for a single hat, cash shop or otherwise. It will be a process because it is not a matter of making one hat function - it's the same amount of work whether it's one hat or every hat. They need to create hat hair models for every original Viera/Hrothgar hairstyle. They currently don't exist which makes fitting this type of headgear impossible.

To be clear I am not telling anybody to be patient. No promise has been made that this will ever be resolved at all and I'm well aware of that, but keeping expectations in check is important. If any headgear tucks hair under it, it won't work on Hrothgar/Viera as a result of the current limitations of the race.

I personally think it is lazy to release new sets where the head gear is not compatible with all races.

18 dollar paid outfits that don't even work on all races is a complete joke, but it fits with the gear that drops in expansions and patches being incompatible as well.
I love watching the new Live Letters and seeing new gear dropping for crafted, tomes, savage, and dungeons, and knowing 80% of that gear is incompatible with my character and they've done nothing about it for years.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

18 dollar paid outfits that don't even work on all races is a complete joke, but it fits with the gear that drops in expansions and patches being incompatible as well.
I love watching the new Live Letters and seeing new gear dropping for crafted, tomes, savage, and dungeons, and knowing 80% of that gear is incompatible with my character and they've done nothing about it for years.

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