Gender locked race?

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Originally Posted by Rokke

If the heels themselves were a problem...just make them transparent on guys? The caster shoes with the heels removed would look exactly like the concept art's digitigrade feet :confused:

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So....like the werewolf feet

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/imag...ewolf_Legs.png
https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/imag...ewolf_Feet.png

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Originally Posted by Allegor

So....like the werewolf feet

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/imag...ewolf_Legs.png
https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/imag...ewolf_Feet.png

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exactly!
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Another odd thing if they made Viera have normal "flat feet" when not in their specific shoes, is that it would mean their 'real' height and the shape of their legs would change by that much when wearing other shoes. Changing gear switches out sections of the body model, and doesn't (as far as I'm aware) adjust the overall height of the model. Legs get longer or shorter depending on the shape of the shoes, which is maybe okay with low-heeled shoes but I think it would be too noticable for Viera's super-high ones.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

Side note, since we were talking about G'raha Tia potentially coming back for Shadowbringers. I looked the the key art some more, and if you look real close at the guy in the red cloak, I can sorta make out the startings of the miqote eye marks. I thought it was just part of the shadow at first, but they actually seem to jut out a bit from it.

What do you guys think (I made an arrow pointing at it):
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Whether it's G'raha or not, I think it has to be a Miqo'te character, and those are definitely the eye marks. It doesn't make sense for how a shadow would be shaped across the face there.

Fenral posted a higher-res comparison of the face marks here when we were discussing this on the Lore forum.

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Originally Posted by Gula

I can't wait for male viera to happen just to make everyone's all caps knee jerk reactions (because I know someone in these 200+ pages has done it) look incredibly stupid.

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Agree on this way too much overreaction maybe is related with histrionic personality disorder the attention-seeking emotions and the dramatic cluster around the subject caused unnecessarily.

SE made gender locked race before and due to the requests did the second gender really doubt they wont add both genders to each race.

Adding the fact that two of the female viera faces have already ambiguous gender features.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

What do you guys think (I made an arrow pointing at it):
https://i.imgur.com/D3fJ0jx.png

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Tbh I can see Graha's face clearly on this image.
The nose, the mouth, small head... and that mark. Guess he gets some new appearance and a few tattoos.
I like it, we get a miqo boi into the main story. :D

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

Tbh I can see Graha's face clearly on this image.
The nose, the mouth, small head... and that mark. Guess he gets some new appearance and a few tattoos.
I like it, we get a miqo boi into the main story. :D

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It looks like crystal to me. (It seems to be around his neck and maybe on his hand as well.) Weird effects of exposure to the Tower or something, perhaps?

(And out-of-story, a convenient way to cover up his Sharlayan neck tattoos, which would be a giveaway.)

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Originally Posted by Rokke

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Originally Posted by Allegor

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All hope for a male Viera went away, when we saw the interview with Yoshida where he dismissed the male Viera design for being weird, because he found it to cute, beautiful and with a female Viera only trailer. I think the leaks are correct. In 18 days we will find the truth, as for me, I am expecting to be disappointed.

Lets hope the male exclusive race looks very good.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

All hope for a male Viera went away, when we saw the interview with Yoshida where he dismissed the male Viera design for being weird, because he found it to cute, beautiful and with a female Viera only trailer. I think the leaks are correct. In 18 days we will find the truth, as for me, I am expecting to be disappointed.

Lets hope the male exclusive race looks very good.

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I have said it before but if that is the case I don't get how the race got past the design stage, if they can't make males for the race it seems a really odd choice to add it to the game.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

interview with Yoshida where he dismissed the male Viera design for being weird

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yeah this part kinda irks me
"we didnt want them to be weird"
then dont make them weird?

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Originally Posted by Duskane

yeah this part kinda irks me
"we didnt want them to be weird"
then dont make them weird?

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This

The only restriction they had with designing male viera over this new race is they needed bunny ears everything else full freedom.

If they go through with this i will be as vocal as much as possible to get both genders for both races, i won't care if they are sick of the questions i won't just accept we're working on it because 3yrs for a bunny suit for males that is 3yrs for 1 single outfit on half the character models a race is way too much work to just be gradually worked on it requires way more of the dev team to do it would have to have hard deadlines to make happen. Finally i would vote with my wallet and ShB will be the 1st expansion i won't get CE with and would finally halt my sub if i feel unsatisfied.

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Originally Posted by AnnaRosa

Agree on this way too much overreaction maybe is related with histrionic personality disorder the attention-seeking emotions and the dramatic cluster around the subject caused unnecessarily.

SE made gender locked race before and due to the requests did the second gender really doubt they wont add both genders to each race.

Adding the fact that two of the female viera faces have already ambiguous gender features.

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So not only are you agreeing with someone who is posting a 100% spiteful post, you are saying people that don't want male Viera have a mental disorder? Some people in this thread blow my mind lol.

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

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The only restriction they had with designing male viera over this new race is they needed bunny ears everything else full freedom.

If they go through with this i will be as vocal as much as possible to get both genders for both races, i won't care if they are sick of the questions i won't just accept we're working on it because 3yrs for a bunny suit for males that is 3yrs for 1 single outfit on half the character models a race is way too much work to just be gradually worked on it requires way more of the dev team to do it would have to have hard deadlines to make happen. Finally i would vote with my wallet and ShB will be the 1st expansion i won't get CE with and would finally halt my sub if i feel unsatisfied.

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I really wonder what aspect of Japanese culture makes the male devs not want to design bunny male anything. Like it took them that long because I guess it was hard to get the devs to want to jump on it. I'm assuming if there's no male Viera it would have to be the same cultural idea.

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

I really wonder what aspect of Japanese culture makes the male devs not want to design bunny male anything. Like it took them that long because I guess it was hard to get the devs to want to jump on it. I'm assuming if there's no male Viera it would have to be the same cultural idea.

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To add to this:
We are talking about that one culture that has the weirdest ideas, kinks and what not.
Theyre acting like the most innocent, pure school girl.

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

I really wonder what aspect of Japanese culture makes the male devs not want to design bunny male anything. Like it took them that long because I guess it was hard to get the devs to want to jump on it. I'm assuming if there's no male Viera it would have to be the same cultural idea.

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I have no idea but we know it doesn't have to do with feet as they have made plenty of heeled foot armor so it really is something to do with the upper body that they have a problem with question is what

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

To add to this:
We are talking about that one culture that has the weirdest ideas, kinks and what not.
Theyre acting like the most innocent, pure school girl.

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Lol you're making a generalization about a whole group of people based on a small portion of society. Moooost people aren't coming up with kinks.

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

Lol you're making a generalization about a whole group of people based on a small portion of society. Moooost people aren't coming up with kinks.

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To be fair Veria have never been more that some really weird fetish elves, they have very little role in 12 plot outside of give the exotic player character and as a race are just wood elves with added kink.

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

To be fair Veria have never been more that some really weird fetish elves, they have very little role in 12 plot outside of give the exotic player character and as a race are just wood elves with added kink.

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Lol if that's all the Viera means to you, that's fine but that's definitely not what I got out of them in ff12, and I don't think they'd be as popular as they apparently are if that's all there was to their idea.

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

Lol if that's all the Viera means to you, that's fine but that's definitely not what I got out of them in ff12, and I don't think they'd be as popular as they apparently are if that's all there was to their idea.

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True, I never did get into the plot of 12, but I don't recall the Viera being anything other than window dressing and to give the game some fetish fodder with the whole thing with the no men and them falling devotedly in love with men (Fran and Mydia), we don't see to see much else from them they barly interact with the story and the village felt completely tacked in.

I always assumed they were popular for that reason, I never saw any other but maybe that's why I despise them so much.

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

I have said it before but if that is the case I don't get how the race got past the design stage, if they can't make males for the race it seems a really odd choice to add it to the game.

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Because there doesn't always have to be a race with both genders. The next race could be male only, who cares?

I always thought of Fran (the main example of Viera to me as a child) as the strongest character in the story, mostly because of the Viera being women only (visibly) plus the scene where she goes berserk due to the mist. Also she always seemed to be the knowledgeable character in the story, giving the background of different locations as you traveled. The Eruyt Village part of the story was interesting to me because of the isolationism as well as being able to communicate with the wood and how leaving it left Fran kind of disconnected from the rest of the Viera.

That's why the Viera (Fran) was always so popular in my view, anyway.

Looking like genderlocked is pretty much confirmed.

I hope they're ready for a lot of booing in the next FanFest

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

I hope they're ready for a lot of booing in the next FanFest

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It's JP community they most likely won't boo they'd just be silent us on the otherhand will have both boos and cheers we'll see which is louder :P

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

It's JP community they most likely won't boo they'd just be silent us on the otherhand will have both boos and cheers we'll see which is louder :P

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I'm expecting a repeat of the limited job reveal. Confusion and the silent sound of hearts breaking. :v Yoshi why

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

I hope they're ready for a lot of booing in the next FanFest

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With people wanting so many different variants of "male Viera", that'd be almost guaranteed even if they'd reveal one.

As long as female Viera looks and feels good, AND has possibility of lowering length noticeable from Fran, I'm OK.

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

True, I never did get into the plot of 12, but I don't recall the Viera being anything other than window dressing and to give the game some fetish fodder with the whole thing with the no men and them falling devotedly in love with men (Fran and Mydia), we don't see to see much else from them they barly interact with the story and the village felt completely tacked in.

I always assumed they were popular for that reason, I never saw any other but maybe that's why I despise them so much.

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Fran's relationship with Balthier is really subdued and for most of the game it seems like nothing but a friendly professional one (with special fist bump, even), and she's a much stronger character than that. Often times acting as an exposition character by telling the (suppossed) nature of Espers, the effects of the Mist and, of course, Golmore. Viera are stoic and have their own little side-stories about not understanding the larger world of Ivalice because of their isolationism, and the problems that come with their rigid society ("Viera who have forsaken the Wood are Viera no longer" and the Vorpal Bunny hunt mark, for example, and before someone gets here, I know the story outright says they're content with it, nor do the player characters feel like they have to change it ;p). Saying "falling in love devotedly with men" is ignoring most of their characterization.

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

I always thought of Fran (the main example of Viera to me as a child) as the strongest character in the story, mostly because of the Viera being women only (visibly) plus the scene where she goes berserk due to the mist. Also she always seemed to be the knowledgeable character in the story, giving the background of different locations as you traveled. The Eruyt Village part of the story was interesting to me because of the isolationism as well as being able to communicate with the wood and how leaving it left Fran kind of disconnected from the rest of the Viera.

That's why the Viera (Fran) was always so popular in my view, anyway.

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As a little girl, Fran was always my favorite character because of these exact reasons. She was smart, strong, calm, and beautiful. Fran was there to give the rest of the younger characters some knowledge when needed or to guide them to where they needed to go since she was more perceptive than the rest of the team. She had a subtle and tragic backstory where she longed not only for the Wood and her sisters, but also to explore the world with Balthier.
I exclusively only controlled her and Ashe, with many 'rees' when had to play someone else.
To reduce Viera to nothing more than fetish fodder because they are a society of women who wear more revealing clothes is disingenuous imo.

As for the male Viera in XII, they were never needed so it never came off as strange. In an MMO setting, where any race can be called by Hydaelyn to be her champion, it would be incredibly odd for the male half of a race to be excluded from this. Does Hydaelyn think bunny men are weird too? There would flat out be no good reason SE could come up with in lore besides absolute genocide PRIOR to the beginning of the game (which we know it's not true or else the Wandering Dramaturge would have said something) to exclude the player character from being a male Viera considering in canon it could be the only male Viera that would leave.

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Originally Posted by Anzaman

With people wanting so many different variants of "male Viera", that'd be almost guaranteed even if they'd reveal one.

As long as female Viera looks and feels good, AND has possibility of lowering length noticeable from Fran, I'm OK.

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I'm sure the reception of any sort of male Viera would be taken better than announcing "Hey, we're giving you guys a genderlocked race again." That's not going to fly very well no matter how they spin it. They can offer people something else, but it isn't going to distract people from their crushed expectations.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

I'm sure the reception of any sort of male Viera would be taken better than announcing "Hey, we're giving you guys a genderlocked race again." That's not going to fly very well no matter how they spin it. They can offer people something else, but it isn't going to distract people from their crushed expectations.

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I mean yeah, but at the same time I think overall the reaction will be positive as long as what they do offer looks good. There will be those crushed because they've been wanting to be male Viera since they came into this world, but I expect the majority of players don't have such strong ties to the idea.

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Originally Posted by Anzaman

With people wanting so many different variants of "male Viera", that'd be almost guaranteed even if they'd reveal one.

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Problem: Some people want cute, some want handsome, some rugged.
Solution: 1 cute face, 2 handsome faces, 1 manly/rugged face. Kinda like how nearly every playable male race works.

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

I mean yeah, but at the same time I think overall the reaction will be positive as long as what they do offer looks good. There will be those crushed because they've been wanting to be male Viera since they came into this world, but I expect the majority of players don't have such strong ties to the idea.

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I think more people care than you think, in both the east and the west. I could be wrong of course, but it seems to me that a lot of people have been eager to see male Viera after so many years. Offering people something else, even if it looks good, isn't going to make people just forget about it. The Hrothgar will just open up another can of worms since then you'll be hearing from people who want a female version of that on top of the people who wanted male Viera to begin with.

I just don't see it going over well at all.

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Originally Posted by Rokke

Problem: Some people want cute, some want handsome, some rugged.
Solution: 1 cute face, 2 handsome faces, 1 manly/rugged face. Kinda like how nearly every playable male race works.

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Maybe, but people have also shown interest in different body sizes and shapes.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

I just don't see it going over well at all.

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Mhm, well - even if they'd start creating one now, you would need to wait several months into expansion for it.

Let's just see what they have to say during FanFest and panic afterwards.

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Originally Posted by Anzaman

Maybe, but people have also shown interest in different body sizes and shapes.


Mhm, well - even if they'd start creating one now, you would need to wait several months into expansion for it.

Let's just see what they have to say during FanFest and panic afterwards.

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Yea, that's the thing, I don't even mind waiting for the male Viera if need be. Just the idea that they're closing the door on them entirely bothers me, especially if the only reason for it is that Yoshi thought they were "weird." That's what I'd be angry about. I don't mind waiting.

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Originally Posted by Rokke

Problem: Some people want cute, some want handsome, some rugged.
Solution: 1 cute face, 2 handsome faces, 1 manly/rugged face. Kinda like how nearly every playable male race works.

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I love you. ♥

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Originally Posted by Rokke

Problem: Some people want cute, some want handsome, some rugged.
Solution: 1 cute face, 2 handsome faces, 1 manly/rugged face. Kinda like how nearly every playable male race works.

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I think the biggest rift I've seen are between people who want a manly tall elezen type male Viera and the little bunny boy we saw in the concept art. I honestly don't think the faces are what people are arguing about lol.

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

I think the biggest rift I've seen are between people who want a manly tall elezen type male Viera and the little bunny boy we saw in the concept art. I honestly don't think the faces are what people are arguing about lol.

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Well, they could solve that with making the two tribes different in size. Like the Midlander and highlanders are :v

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

I think the biggest rift I've seen are between people who want a manly tall elezen type male Viera and the little bunny boy we saw in the concept art. I honestly don't think the faces are what people are arguing about lol.

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Indeed. The 'cute' faces also look so very bizarre on au ra and elezen.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

Well, they could solve that with making the two tribes different in size. Like the Midlander and highlanders are :v

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It'd make sense, but if they're adding an extra race it may end up being too much work. It'd be a good idea, though.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

Well, they could solve that with making the two tribes different in size. Like the Midlander and highlanders are :v

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Lol, well you keep your hopes up! I honestly don't see that happening based on what we have so far. They would have to design like 4 different sets of armor for each race. I don't know how they handle changes in size now but I think a medium build to bigger build probably doesn't take a whole different design.

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

Lol, well you keep your hopes up! I honestly don't see that happening based on what we have so far. They would have to design like 4 different sets of armor for each race. I don't know how they handle changes in size now but I think a medium build to bigger build probably doesn't take a whole different design.

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Doesn't the gear just scale based on the size? I mean, lalafells wear the same armor as everyone else does. It just gets shrunk down to fit them. They don't make new models for all the gear or anything.