Yoshi P talks about Warriors- from Producer Letter Live @ TGS

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Originally Posted by Leiron

Um, no, you misunderstood what I was saying.

etc, etc, etc,

Defiance assumes that the incoming heals can top you off.
Shield oath assumes that they can't, and can only slow death.

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Shield oath doesn't assume anything. In ALL circumstances it is at bare minimum AS effective as Defiance in the amount of damage you take before dying (no heals). Shield Oath is MORE effective than Defiance in that you require less total healing to get back to full hp after you get injured (with heals).

There is no circumstance, no context, no situation that Defiance is better than Shield oath at anything. None.

I don't know how to say it more plainly than that.

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Originally Posted by Lhun

I forgot to update my gearslot save. So sue me, and again, I hit 50 on this character yesterday. My stats are woefully derped because I've been CRUNCHING NUMBERS ALL WEEK and re-speccing. And it's a Barbarian's Bardiche +1, tyvm, I haven't had time to go do HMPrimals because I've been arguing with you lot all week. It has a parry rate of 25, which is more than an NQ Rampager, and I can't find an HQ one right now for a reasonable price. I also haven't had time to level crafting and make one myself.

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firstly
your character's picture in your profile dont lie.

secondly
barbarian's bardiche+1 is almost the same price as the normal version, as its only purpose is to do relic quest.

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Originally Posted by Lhun

I forgot to update my gearslot save. So sue me, and again, I hit 50 on this character yesterday. My stats are woefully derped because I've been CRUNCHING NUMBERS ALL WEEK and re-speccing. And it's a Barbarian's Bardiche +1, tyvm, I haven't had time to go do HMPrimals because I've been arguing with you lot all week. It has a parry rate of 25, which is more than an NQ Rampager, and I can't find an HQ one right now for a reasonable price. I also haven't had time to level crafting and make one myself.

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Originally Posted by Lhun

have fun being bad at the game, "Buff warrior!!" saber rattlers. you're obviously not going to figure out what YoshiP and his devs are saying this way. Thanks for reminding me why I kept my mouth shut on this forum for three years.

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EDIT: I've promised someone not to be mean anymore. But I'll leave the quotes as it is.

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Originally Posted by Lhun

You're ignoring parry and the fact that war receives more health from cure itself.

Have you parsed the exact total damage received over the course of a fight with a warrior with a high parry rate and str over 362? Have you considered that the potency of a heal is massively increased on a War vs a pld, that I almost suspect the mitigation would nearly exactly equal the increased heal totals to a war?

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Are you suggesting theorycrafters, who have been arguing warrior vs paladin for weeks, haven't actually tested any data?

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Originally Posted by Lhun

Um, Convalesence + wrath + MANTRA. HElllooooo...

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LOL, so what you're saying is WAR has to level MNK to 42 and waste a cross-class skill slot to be still worse than PLD without any cross-class skills?

Sounds balanced to me!

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Originally Posted by Sephirah

Yes, PLD will always be better at straight up taking a hit. This was how they were designed, it's what makes them a PLD. That does not mean that they are the "best" tank for all situations.

If you define being the "better" tank as being able to straight up mitigate the most damage, then you need to role a PLD, because WAR was not designed that way.

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Yes that is how everyone defines "better" tank. If both can hold aggro then the one that takes less damage is the better tank clearly. Nobody will ever take a warrior when a paladin is available, so good luck finding a raid if you didn't roll the tank class that isn't broken.

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Originally Posted by Jeckyl_Tesla

Has anyone tried stacking skill speed, aka using the Rings of Maiming instead of fending? I admit, my maths is not the best, which is why I'd like to see if others have tried it and have managed it and if it works well.

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If you pour heart and soul into skill speed, you might be able to shave 0.12 seconds off the GCD or something, at the cost of much more effective stats. It's currently a dead stat except maybe for monks.

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Originally Posted by Thyrllan

Are you suggesting theorycrafters, who have been arguing warrior vs paladin for weeks, haven't actually tested any data?

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I wish they would just find the answer. It's been weeks already! :-P

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Originally Posted by Lhun

Which still puts the str woefully behind warrior.

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You do realize that the summation of the sword's and shield's STR equal that of the axe, and that both PLDs and WARs use the same Darklight and Allaghan armor, right? You're so way off base I don't know if you're being serious or if this is a joke.

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Originally Posted by Wangstrong

If you pour heart and soul into skill speed, you might be able to shave 0.12 seconds off the GCD or something, at the cost of much more effective stats. It's currently a dead stat except maybe for monks.

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With enough skill speed you can ensure that your 2nd butcher's block will always benefit from the Storm's Eye debuff.

Without it, in my experience, often the buff will fade before the 2nd burcher's block hits, which is a slight loss of enmity. You should also be able to shave off .1 second from the GCD which is more than enough to do this by simply using Bravura, the Warrior helmet, and the right combination of ilvl 90 jewelry. You may not be able to get to hit cap with this setup, though. I don't remember.

It's not like there are many options for WAR anyway though.