4.1 - The emptiest patch yet.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

I think what bswpayton is getting at is that housing and hairstyle are Cosmetic Content, while the game is currently lacking in relevant Gameplay Content and what gameplay content we do get is a repeat/clone of older gameplay content. (Relevant doesn't have to be specific to only the 5% of raiders, it can be things like PotD or Diadem when they first came out)

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I can forgive delaying Eureka until 4.2 if the developers do not make it into a Diadem 1.0/Diadem 2.0 clone, and make it good, long lasting content. As for the repeated formula for content, well, SE is afraid to deviate from anything but their past formula. That’s not me defending them—I would love some deviation from the same-old-same-old—but considering 1.0 nearly destroyed the company and definitely destroyed the original FFXIV...

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

I didnt say it wasn't content the new special never done before content was given to 99 percentile raiders. While everyone else got qol stuff and stuff that already was coming out anyway. Squadrons are such a let down , five dungeons is a joke really hope they improve the system over time. And the PvP stuff is cool. My point was we lost something but only thing that was gained in 4.1 that's the brand new content is for the best raiders in the game

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how do you define "brand new"? lots of the graphical assets of the Ultimate fight seem reused from what we know so far (there are obviously new mechanics and definitely new tuning).

how is the new portion of Uznair not brand new?

five dungeons is not a lot but the Squadron AI is brand new, and it's something to build on.

and your complaint was again

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

So where is the actual stuff for that dungeon we lost out on

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4 things for "that dungeon" we lost out on. a dungeon we couldn't build off of like Squadron AI. a dungeon that is not particular interesting for the hardcore raiders, nor the solo players, nor the PvP players.

a dungeon that will be completely forgotten in two patches once it's totally rotated out of Expert roulette. and the Uznair addition will last all the way through the SB series which is a thing 5.x treasure maps will definitely build on.

1 fight for the hardcore, 1 PvP mode with some cool elements, and 2 foundational structures that definitely can lead to more vs "that dungeon". it's pretty clear they were not slacking and most people have new things to do.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

I think what bswpayton is getting at is that housing and hairstyle are Cosmetic Content, while the game is currently lacking in relevant Gameplay Content and what gameplay content we do get is a repeat/clone of older gameplay content. (Relevant doesn't have to be specific to only the 5% of raiders, it can be things like PotD or Diadem when they first came out)

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That's fair, but out of the 3 new types of things in hw (potd, diadem and lov) 2 of them were considered flops by the playerbase... can you really blame them about being hesitant (maybe... we will see what eureka is) about trying something new? I mean I am always game for new things.. if i like it great, if not ok... but if you add something that flops you get "why did you do this new thing instead of adding (insert safe thing they always did). I mean already in this thread are some people basically "we gave up a dungeon for this???" Would having 2 dungeons instead of the other stuff that is getting added have been better?

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Originally Posted by Aramina

That's fair, but out of the 3 new types of things in hw (potd, diadem and lov) 2 of them were considered flops by the playerbase... can you really blame them about being hesitant (maybe... we will see what eureka is) about trying something new?

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Sadly, things flopping are an occupational hazard in MMORPGs, especially if you aren't receiving outside opinions before you launch content . The dev team doesn't receive outside critique until they release things and having worked on them for so long, they might not see that problems with them and just might want to ship it out and be done with it. The dev team really should look into hiring testers instead of just testing things themselves, they can get more opinions.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

Sadly, things flopping are an occupational hazard in MMORPGs, especially if you aren't receiving outside opinions before you launch content . The dev team doesn't receive outside critique until they release things and having worked on them for so long, they might not see that problems with them and just might want to ship it out and be done with it. The dev team really should look into hiring testers instead of just testing things themselves, they can get more opinions.

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I don't disagree with this... BUT... none of this has anything to do with telling other people that what they enjoy about the game is a waste of resources. Wanna complain that this patch is lacking? Ok. Wanna claim that SE should take more risks? Ok. What's not ok is thinking any singular person gets to say what is a proper use of dev time.

Luckily we can pay 11-15$ a month to feed the starving Devs to give us absolutely nothing new. It will be completely recycled ideas from HW that people will be drooling over cause of short term memory loss. Ooooo Diadem looked neat and flopped! Can't wait for Eureka to look neat and flop.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Housing (yes, that is content—SE did not leave the definition of “content” for you to define)

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Sadly I can hardly agree with this statement, considering the majority of players will not be able to access this "content" at all.

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Originally Posted by Valinis

Sadly I can hardly agree with this statement, considering the majority of players will not be able to access this "content" at all.

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While I disagree with the housing shortage, it is still content being added to the game. SE could have very well chosen not to add any new housing wards at all. It is also worth noting that Shirogane will include apartments, and while they are not a substitute to housing or instanced housing, they are still content. To say they aren't is incorrect, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Lazaruz

Cute. So the only argument you have is to deliberately twist and bend my words

I'm not saying it's a permanent solution. God knows I still take issue with the fact that FC housing and player housing has to compete with each other, and it's not exactly hard to notice that plots arent being freed up regularly enough for it to count as a permanent solution.

What I am saying is it's the best avaliable temporary solution for them without having to gutt the content for several patches forward so they can focus development on transitioning the housing system, and all avaliable houses at the moment, into a instanced format.

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Except, you know, the fact they are never planning to instance housing so this is the permanent solution. A solution which solves absolutely nothing I might add.

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Originally Posted by Lazaruz

But since you went there. I dont care about the housing and I dare say the same applies to everyone else who doesnt join your little "crusade" (or atleast they dont care enough). On a player level, its 100% vanity, as it provides absolutely nothing that isnt already there in some form

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"Little crusade" you say? I'd say it's far from being "little" considering there is quite a large group of people who are not happy with housing. How does cross-breeding plants in apartments work again? And what about your airship hanger?

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Originally Posted by Lazaruz

But unlike people like you, I care about everything else first.

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I care about fairness for everyone, and developers not lying to my face.

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Originally Posted by Lazaruz

I guess it's the only way you can support your vindictive attitude instead of doing the sensible thing and quitting the game

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What a solid argument, "If you don't like one aspect of this game you should just quit". Clearly you have the attitude of "screw everyone else, as long as I get what I want I'm happy." Am I wrong? It's pretty clear from your previous posts in this thread that you are only here to pick fights with everyone that doesn't agree with you.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

While I disagree with the housing shortage, it is still content being added to the game. SE could have very well chosen not to add any new housing wards at all. It is also worth noting that Shirogane will include apartments, and while they are not a substitute to housing or instanced housing, they are still content. To say they aren't is incorrect, in my opinion.

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Yeah... its just content thats gated by your ability to produce gil in game. That counts as content equivalent to... idk a dungeon... or new recipes or anything actually new that the Devs are paid to come up with. They should just come up with a list of new cash shop items and that would be considered "content" but its only gated by your ability to shill 20$. Now the content that's actually supposed to give you value for your sub, is 100% lacking.