Should healers now be allowed to play how they choose to play?

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Originally Posted by Feyona

I have seen posts that suggest that If a spell is in your toolkit you are meant to use it like dps spells if your a healer. Then not saying its not useful, but think thats what Neela meant. Not trying to split hairs but heaing spells are the most useful to a healer.

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If you have an ability and it's useful, you are supposed to use it. Furthermore, you're supposed to use whichever ability is the most beneficial in each given situation. The usefulness of your abilities depends entirely on the situation. If your party members are at 100% health, your healing spells are 100% useless in that situation, and your DPS abilities are useful. If your tank is dying, your healing abilities become much more useful than your DPS abilities. It depends on the content and the situation.

I just wish people could see beyond their obsession of splitting the healer toolkit into two. It doesn't matter if an ability is "healing ability" or "DPS ability". If it's an ability you have, and using it helps your party in the situation you're in, use it. It really is as simple as that.

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Originally Posted by Kitfox

It's simple logic, intention or design doesn't matter as long as the fact remains that one option is useful, the other one isn't. Nobody knows how classes are truely "intended" to be played, that's why we can't argue for it. We must look at the reality, look at things we can do, evaluate what is useful, and then act accordingly. Otherwise you're being irrational. The community didn't just randomly decide that DPS is somehow a good thing, it is a a logical conclusion that stems from learning the game mechanics and rules.

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1000000000 times this!

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Originally Posted by Neela

oh that was fast oh and u took it serious : /

I know what her point is and my example was not that serious - I just can't stand why people still spread things wrong even Yoshi himself cleared it up more than once. Nobody in here can really know how a cls is intended to be played 100% for real - so why are so many of the com point this dps-bullshit as a given fact? Nobody doubt that healer and tank dps optimize a run but it just isn't an intended given game design fact - thats all.

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The point is: It doesn't matter what the "intended" design is. The only thing that matters is what it actually is in reality.

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Originally Posted by Feyona

I have seen posts that suggest that If a spell is in your toolkit you are meant to use it like dps spells if your a healer. Then not saying its not useful, but think thats what Neela meant. Not trying to split hairs but heaing spells are the most useful to a healer.

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The logical fact is that a healing spell is useless when a player HP bar is full. DPS spell is useful when the enemy HP bar has something left in it. Everything is situational.

It's simple logic, intention or design doesn't matter as long as the fact remains that one option is useful, the other one isn't. Nobody knows how classes are truely "intended" to be played, that's why we can't argue for it. We must look at the reality, look at things we can do, evaluate what is useful, and then act accordingly. Otherwise you're being irrational. The community didn't just randomly decide that DPS is somehow a good thing, it is a a logical conclusion that stems from learning the game mechanics and rules.

gosh... guys rly? talking about reality? -> if someone don't want to dps as a healer or tank - than face THAT reality...

TLDR on how to be a well respected healer: Maintain the party's health while maximizing GCD usage with the most efficient and effective spells for that GCD at the time you have it available (which may also include doing nothing to save MP)

Efficient and effective will be within the context of the content you're partaking in and what people have and haven't done in the fight to make healing either easier or harder on you.

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Originally Posted by Neela

if someone don't want to dps as a healer or tank - than face THAT reality? gosh... guys xD

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Well, we face it every day. Some people carry them, some people kick them, some people leave themself. What is your point?

my point is that im one of the less who's actually fine with healers who don't wanna dps - yours is to convince people that your opinion is the one and only way to play.

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Originally Posted by Kitfox

The point is: It doesn't matter what the "intended" design is. The only thing that matters is what it actually is in reality.


The logical fact is that a healing spell is useless when a player HP bar is full. DPS spel

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I think its because many posts here are saying that it is a part of game design that it was meant to be played that way. Its not that I dont agree with you at all, but some may take even that logic to extremes, like 'people will get the boot' etc if they dont cast 100% of the time, and no other role is being focussed on this factor quite so much as now. I mean bismark was the first trial that was expected now its every instance.

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Originally Posted by Feyona

I think its because many posts here are saying that it is a part of game design that it was meant to be played that way. Its not that I dont agree with you at all, but some may take even that logic to extremes, like 'people will get the boot' etc if they dont cast 100% of the time, and no other role is being focussed on this factor quite so much as now. I mean bismark was the first trial that was expected now its every instance.

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yeah I never doubt that extra dps is good – it's just the crowd who talk like they develop the game theirselves ^^

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Originally Posted by Feyona

Its not that I dont agree with you at all, but some may take even that logic to extremes, like 'people will get the boot' etc if they dont cast 100% of the time

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Enough with the silly strawman arguments. Absolutely no one here has suggested anything like kicking people who don't cast 100%. The only discussions about removing people from party have - from what I've seen - concerned people who literally stand afk or /follow the tank or are otherwise being intentionally useless to their party.

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Originally Posted by Taika

Enough with the silly strawman arguments. Absolutely no one here has suggested anything like kicking people who don't cast 100%.

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oh rly? xD

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Originally Posted by Kitfox

Well, we face it every day. Some people carry them, some people kick them, some people leave themself. What is your point?

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its getting funny right away... and I have to leave for savage .___. well... maybe till 2morrow ;)