We need more ways to make gold in this game.

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Originally Posted by DrPancakes

Should have realized you were a legacy player when you said



Now I realize you didn't take the time to read anything after the original post.

It's my fault and i'm sorry for engaging you.

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Those "Legacy players" you seem to have an issue with tend to realize that most "legacy players" don't have "xxx millions." Most of them would be happy to have a million to their name. Why I'm bothering to engage you is anyone's guess, but keep writing off players who just happened to play 1.0 for a while.

Not sure if serious, or fishing for players to give up their own secret money making ideas... Well you won't get mine. *rides away on coeurl mount*

@DrPancakes
I did read the original post, twice now (to be sure), but I cannot agree. The money I "normally" make easily covers my repair costs. Besides, the huge moneysink is another one:
the AH taxes, which are directly proportionate to the average price levels in the server economy. Of course you will (as a new player) get piss-poor in no time if you pay those
outrageous prices crafters on legacy servers charge. That's, well... I am sorry to say that, but joining a legacy server was a pretty... ummm... "bold" move in the first place.
Eventually things will even out. But as far as my current observations tell me (I play on both legacy and new servers), that "eventually" still lies a few months down the road.
If you check my post history, I have been warning new players against joining legacy servers for months, so please don't blame me for that situation!
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P.S.: In case you are playing on a "new" server (Moogle?), there's another, simple explanation. Seeing you are already LV 50, I guess you "rushed" to the top in order to
be one of the first there (and perhaps make lots of money by selling still-rare drops). Newsflash: Others are trying to do exactly the same, so whenever you buy something
@LV 50, they will charge outrageous prices.

@Nakiamiie

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Quite honestly, I don't think there is any problem with the gil influx in the game. (...) Honestly, this is a non-issue. There might be some tweaking to do to increase/decrease the influx of gil, but it is not to the point where the whole economy will crash.

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Well yes, I agree. People are just pissed that they can't easily become "rich". Working as intended, isn't it?

Quite honestly, I don't think there is any problem with the gil influx in the game.

New characters make tons of gil through quests, which in turn they use to buy stuff in the AH. That money (even though it is cut a little), then goes into the hands of the senior characters to be used again.

Considering that we can expect new characters to be created frequently, we can also expect a steady influx of gil through quests.
Heck, you can even create a new character yourself to stimulate your server!

Furthermore, plenty of items can be turned to NPCs for gil. With the big player base on any server, this is a non-negligible influx of gil.

Just selling to NPCs the lesser crappy items you get and other lesser crappy items from gathering can help any character sustain itself.

Honestly, this is a non-issue. There might be some tweaking to do to increase/decrease the influx of gil, but it is not to the point where the whole economy will crash.

wasn't Gil like super crazy in FF 11 because you could easily farm it off mobs, and items would end up costing like hundreds of millions of gil? Like a base really simple item would cost a million gil, just because of how out of whack the entire economy was.

Honestly, I'd rather have the economy be based on quality of items and crafting, and not farming it out through mobs - that's just retarded. If I want to get rich I should be able to do so by hard work and perseverance through crafting, not mindlessly grinding away at mobs for 100+ hours.

Not to mention that not allowing high drops through mobs, leves, and crap means that Gil Sellers have far less options in obtaining money, making their entire process bunk. Do you really want to have a bunch of bots and chinese farmers running around?

For those saying that you can't have high repair bills I had one yesterday of around 5k ( on one char and at one time) in partial lvl 50 gear from several wipes on HM garuda. The key problem is the fact that a lot of crafters are charging a lot of money at the moment due to how much money people have from questing as the game is quite new. I think because of how easy it is to craft/farm some of these low level items, square envisaged a system where certain items are mass produced just to be vendored so as to add currency that was previously non-existent. Do we really want Hyper-inflation? Do you really want to buy that new sword/axe/staff for 100 million, just because they change and make it a lot easier to make cash. Maybe what they should do is slightly increase the price of player crafted items when vendored this would solve a lot of these issues.

Since this thread was designed solely to get people to spill the beans on their "secret" gil making techniques, I'll join in.

Spend less than you make... /end thread.

people love HQ crafting gear make/sell :P I'm sure it will sell for lots more if you materia it + forbidden Materia it ;)

Im just going to say... some players will spend and some will save. Not everybody should be rich or prices will go up leading to the need for more money.. inflation. every game has its unique economy. It will even out just wait.

If SE gave me 100 gil every time someone in this thread misunderstood the basic concepts of in-game economy, i alone could provide a big enough influx of new money to cause serious inflation.

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Originally Posted by Incatasi

It was brought up, several times, but since it's limited , it's not really enough if you are spending 2-5k on repairs from doing some end game events.

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Your argument is invalid. You can repair for free by gathering dark matter and having it repaired by crafters. Not wanting to do so is laziness. You don't want to gather your own materials? That's too bad... I'm sure you can farm something worthwhile and sell it on AH. Just because you can't find a way to generate new gil into the economy does not mean other players, such as myself, have not. In 1.0 npcing electrum rings for 1.5K was good money. It doesn't mater if they reduced the amount of gil items are bought and sold from at npc's because the reduction is relative across the board.

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Originally Posted by Inosaska

Here is the problem though they need to accommodate the players that will never gather, craft or ever do either of them. WoW has this fix by having dailies in the game that turn into money for you and enough can be done each day to keep the player going every day to do what they find fun. Also they need to lower the repair costs.

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You can spend your daily leve allowances on battle leves instead of gathering and crafting leves. You get gil for these leves. As I mentioned above, your argument about repair costs being too expensive is invalid. You can gather dark matter. If you don't want to do so, you can farm mobs for drops: Fleece from the sheep in coerthas, hippo skins from the hippogryphs in mordhona, snurbles from the burning wall (?) in thanalan... The list goes on. You can sell these items on the AH for good money. Surely you will say that "this does not generate new gil" to which i reply, how is that any of your concern?

There are two issues here: 1. your need for gil, and 2. the economic balance of gil generating activities and gil sinks. You should not mix the two up. Matter of fact, players should not even be concerned about the second issue. That is for the developers to decide. Surely they have a gil counter on each server that measures gil creation and destruction on a macroeconomic level. I am confident that there are enough gil generating activities to cover the destruction due to repairs, teleports and other activities.

You all on the other hand doubt this second notion. For some reason you have come to the completely uninformed conclusion that there are far more gil sinks than gil creating events. You have come to these conclusions by making assumptions on game mechanics you yourself do not fully comprehend. To all of you who keep going on about how selling items does not generate new gil in the economy, it only takes it out. Yes, this is true, however the gil they used to purchase your items may very well be gil earned by activities such as crafting leves. Just because you cannot or do not want to craft and gather does not mean you cannot earn gil. People figured out how to do it in 1.0 and they will figure it out again in 2.0.

Every item can be sold to an npc and many items can be earned with little cost via grinding mobs or gathering materials. Farming drops is equivalent to printing your own gil, you just haven't figured out the ones that are worth money. In my first example of the electrum circlets that are traded in for 750gil, some fool sold a dozen on AH for 500gil and sure enough a goldsmither came along and bought them all and handed them in to an npc for 750 gil each. You may very well be throwing away items that can be sold for good coin or turned in to an npc for money.

Every time one of these discussions pop up, every other post is about people that don't have a clue what is being discussed.
Before replying to a topic about economy, try to actually learn how economy works in MMOs.

Typical response that is completely irrelevant:
"I make gil easily in this game, try harder"
"Just craft and sell, how hard can it be?"
"Use the market, duh?"
"I have xxx gil, economy is fine"

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Originally Posted by Matsume

Your argument is invalid. You can repair for free by gathering dark matter and having it repaired by crafters. Not wanting to do so is laziness. You don't want to gather your own materials? That's too bad... I'm sure you can farm something worthwhile and sell it on AH.

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You can't gather dark matters anymore, have you been hiding under a rock?
Also read my reply... you clearly don't understand MMO economy.

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Originally Posted by Merix

PS. The Auction House is not a valid way to "make money" It as a whole is a gil sink and will take money out of the economy while shifting money between players.

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What the---I don't even...

Only 5% of the listed price "disappears;" the seller receives 95% of his price from another person who spends it, and whilst this makes money "disappear," doing the dungeons makes it "reappear."

As a GSM, I've been making a decent amount of money from selling not just regular quality gear produced from being a Miner, but a lot more out of HQ stuff. I can also run the FATEs that produce pet drops and make a few thousand per.

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Originally Posted by Balaur

What the---I don't even...

Only 5% of the listed price "disappears;" the seller receives 95% of his price from another person who spends it, and whilst this makes money "disappear," doing the dungeons makes it "reappear."

As a GSM, I've been making a decent amount of money from selling not just regular quality gear produced from being a Miner, but a lot more out of HQ stuff. I can also run the FATEs that produce pet drops and make a few thousand per.

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Doing dungeons will make more money disappear from the economy because of repair bills being higher than profits.
There's no quotation on disappear, because that's just what actually happens. Those gils are completely gone from the economy. That's how MMO economy works, you know.

Also the more you use market, the more gil that will disappear from the economy, the 95% you talk about is just gil that shuffles from one player to another, that's not new gil into the economy.

I'm a tank and I feel you. Honestly, I wish close combat or at least tank class gets reduced repairs for their gears.

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Originally Posted by Ryuni

Doing dungeons will make more money disappear from the economy because of repair bills being higher than profits.

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If no one dies, are repair costs still higher than profits gained from running dungeons and FATEs (and selling any mats/drops you get)? Haven't bothered getting to 50 yet, so I haven't experienced it firsthand.


It should also be noted that there is an influx of gil from gathering (assuming people vendor trash stuff for quick cash or because it's useless) and levequests, even if it's arguably slow. Crafting can also cause a minor influx of gil, as long as the crafted items are vendor trashed (no one wants crafted items right now, after all) and created with non-purchased mats (either self-gathered or friend-gathered).

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Originally Posted by Ryuni

You can't gather dark matters anymore, have you been hiding under a rock?
Also read my reply... you clearly don't understand MMO economy.

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Ressource finder on Disiciplesoftheland.com says you can gather dark matter. It may not have been updated, but what do I care, you didn't seem to grasp the importance of my post.

Let me repeat it, this time short and sweet.

Just because you can't figure out how to generate new gil in the economy does not mean other people have not.

You are assuming that there are more gil sinks than gil generating activities in the economy. This is an assumption because you are making conclusions based on an incomplete inventory of economic activities. THIS WHOLE THREAD IS POINTLESS SPECULATION. You clearly have no factual data.

Until you present to me a global counter that displays the sum total of gil created vs gil taken out of any given game world, you have no facts. You have no point. You are speculating and it is a rather useless activity. I'm sorry to break it to you but you are wasting everyone's time.

You want to make gil?

Step 1. Create a new character

Step 2. Do quests for Allagan tokens

Step 3. Sell Allagan tokens for profit.

Step 4. Transfer gil to main character.

Repeat.

People are already doing this. You can make a few hundred thousand gil very easily and all that gil is "new gil".

I just fixed your problem. Are you done complaining?

Oh you don't want to do this? THEN FARM ITEMS AND SELL THEM ON AH. The people who are doing this for gil will gladly buy your items with that newly minted gil.

Remind me why the economic balance of this game is of any concern to you?

I am just going to go ahead and say that the majority of people asking this question are too lazy to actually do anything about it. Level your crafts and gatherer professions. Personally, I've made about 2.6 million gil since early access just selling random stuff I can make with whatever mats I happen to get. Mostly HQ stuff. I have a hard time NOT making something HQ with all NQ mats anymore.

Get out there and farm skins or level LTW yourself and turn them into leather. There are plenty of people that have crafts and are too lazy to farm their own materials. Getting rich on other people's laziness is a way to make gil.

Flip the market. Buy low, sell high. made a few hundred thou doing that. Craft and fill the market holes with your wares.

Nobody will give you a definitive answer about making gil. I will tell you that if you ignore your crafts and gathering, you're doing it wrong. Both are such a joke to level now compared to 1.0...there is no reason not to.

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Originally Posted by Ryuni

Doing dungeons will make more money disappear from the economy because of repair bills being higher than profits.
There's no quotation on disappear, because that's just what actually happens. Those gils are completely gone from the economy. That's how MMO economy works, you know.

Also the more you use market, the more gil that will disappear from the economy, the 95% you talk about is just gil that shuffles from one player to another, that's not new gil into the economy.

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Actually start doing level 50 dungeons, and then tell me you don't make more gil than you lose. That includes introducing more gil into the economy than taking out just from currency or NPCing junk. It costs 350 gil for one piece of grade 5 dark matter... Dungeons constantly give double that from chests in currency alone, nevermind the other junk that gets NPCed.
Dungeons from 1-50 also did nothing but introduce more gil, as you'd just NPC or convert gear. You'd outgrow most of it before ever needing to repair it. New gil is also introduced as a bonus when you do an instance with a first-timer, along with an EXP bonus.
RMT also do nothing BUT introduce gil into the economy by leveling characters (And eventually getting banned), which unfortunately gets circulated into the market through buyers. There's also FATEs, available even after you've done everything else, that continue to introduce gil into the game.

It's funny how you keep telling other people how they don't understand virtual economies, yet fail to explain their error.

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It's funny how you keep telling other people how they don't understand virtual economies, yet fail to explain their see your own errors.

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Fixed it for you.

When you're done getting to lvl 50 as soon as as humanly possible, visit one of the crafting guilds and see all the players slaving away in their dumb looking coifs and crafter's gowns. You may think they're fools but you will eventually join them(albeit late) when your lvl 50 goes broke.

I like how this long ass thread is basically 3 people actually talking about what this thread is about and 100 people saying "SELL THINGS ON THE AH! GAWD". Or in the case of Matsume "GO MAKE ANOTHER CHARACTER AND HAVE ONE OF YOUR FRIENDS HOLD ON TO THAT FEW HUNDRED THOUSAND GIL YOU MADE! GAWD". (You can't send things cross-account champ.)

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Actually start doing level 50 dungeons, and then tell me you don't make more gil than you lose. That includes introducing more gil into the economy than taking out just from currency or NPCing junk. It costs 350 gil for one piece of grade 5 dark matter... Dungeons constantly give double that from chests in currency alone, nevermind the other junk that gets NPCed.
Dungeons from 1-50 also did nothing but introduce more gil, as you'd just NPC or convert gear. You'd outgrow most of it before ever needing to repair it. New gil is also introduced as a bonus when you do an instance with a first-timer, along with an EXP bonus.
RMT also do nothing BUT introduce gil into the economy by leveling characters (And eventually getting banned), which unfortunately gets circulated into the market through buyers. There's also FATEs, available even after you've done everything else, that continue to introduce gil into the game.

It's funny how you keep telling other people how they don't understand virtual economies, yet fail to explain their error.

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So you're saying only one grade 5 dark matter is enough to repair everyone's gear after an instance run? Did you take in account that it's 4x or 8x repair bills and those coffers aren't handed out to every member of the party. I will give the benefit of the doubt and assume that coffers in an instance introduce slightly more money than repair costs of all party members. Then I also assume that every party member uses dark matters to repair their armor (you know it's not like that in actual scenario).

I can agree with you that RMT introduce more gil into the economy, I did not think about that. But if SE eventually manage to weed out this efficiently, that will not be a valid income anymore.

The 1-50 dungeons give barely any gil and you can't forget the party-wide repair bills, which were low but so were the rewards of the instance.

But as I said, let's assume all those runs will give a slight increase in the economy and not decline. Now let's start looking at the market, a whopping 5% gil decline from the economy for each transaction. There's no way that tiny little increase that comes from instances can out-number the amount of gil sink in both market and teleports.


Also about me telling people that they don't understand economies are aimed to people that make irrelevant posts, it was not aimed towards people that think there's enough gil income into the economy (like you). I'd love to discuss this people like you, that do understand, but disagree with the thread.

The only gil-sink is Repairing. Provided you level your Crafting and Gathering professions, you can repair for free. So, it's really just a race of trying to sustain yourself with the Gil you make from normal stuff until you can do it all yourself for free. Some people think it's reasonable for everyone to have a million gil and be level 50 and raiding Titan HM a week into projected launch, which is stupid. The economy is sustainable potentially because every character has it within their power to be 100% self-sufficient economically.

I have made just over 1 mil on my miner and goldsmith because I was smart enough to realize that crafting would be the best way to go on a new server. Whats the point of rushing to 50 on a battle class when your characters is gonna be gimped the whole way there. Now when I start leveling my Tank every 5 levels he is gonna be pimp. I don't see the point of playing if your not gonna play your character to its full potential.

But with that said there are so many ways to make money with crafting. If you have money issues that is the way to go. Albeit your not gonna make the kinda money I have simply because I went many of nights without sleep to stay ahead of the pack. Then you can charge whatever prices you like , go go monopoly :]

I understand the problem but I think people are overreacting. The game is barely rolling yet. There are a lot of ways they can tweak things if needed. One would hope SE monitors this and makes appropriate tweaks. Of course...at this point, my confidence in SE isn't all that high so maybe the sky IS falling and we're all doomed.

The worst part of this thread is how many people don't understand the original point - not so much the potential impact of that point. It's pretty amazing.

Plus, the OP's "research and analysis" isn't complete. Some agree. Some don't. Some are on another planet.

For ex, not all players will run dungeons. They may just do levels/dailies/fates/whatever in lower quality gear and be gaining gil. Not all players will be reckless with quick travel costs (there are cheaper alternatives). In other words, not all players play exactly the same way and you can't be sure all players will be at net loss. If we're not all at net loss, then the AH can assist with gil redistribution even with fees.

Personally I would rather the economy be tight (but not as tight as the OP thinks it's failing) versus having idiotic amounts of money coming into the system like you see in a lot of MMORPGs.

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The only gil-sink is Repairing. Provided you level your Crafting and Gathering professions, you can repair for free. So, it's really just a race of trying to sustain yourself with the Gil you make from normal stuff until you can do it all yourself for free. Some people think it's reasonable for everyone to have a million gil and be level 50 and raiding Titan HM a week into projected launch, which is stupid. The economy is sustainable potentially because every character has it within their power to be 100% self-sufficient economically.

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You need mats to repair and they aren't free. Maybe you can gather them. I enjoy crafting and I don't mind gathering but not all players are going to want to be forced into doing something they don't enjoy. Games are supposed to be fun. Plus, I find the repair mechanics to really suck. I don't want to change classes several times and try to find pieces needing repair in the many slots of armory to repair all of my gear. I don't even like the vendor repair mechanics since while leveling I just want a "repair all and I mean all" button.

Plus repairs aren't the only gil sink.

PLUS, I enjoy being self sufficient in MMORPGs but it's something that's bad for the social side of the game. Game design in MMORPGs should encourage player interaction, not discourage it. Sadly so much of FFXIV design all but screams be solo and what did that MM in MMORPG stand for again?

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The only gil-sink is Repairing. Provided you level your Crafting and Gathering professions, you can repair for free. So, it's really just a race of trying to sustain yourself with the Gil you make from normal stuff until you can do it all yourself for free. Some people think it's reasonable for everyone to have a million gil and be level 50 and raiding Titan HM a week into projected launch, which is stupid. The economy is sustainable potentially because every character has it within their power to be 100% self-sufficient economically.

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You cannot repair for free. Repairing for yourself uses dark matter which you have to buy from vendors. It comes out a bit cheaper, but is not free.

Also, warps and fast travel are gil sinks. The market boards are gill sinks as they take a portion of the payment.

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Originally Posted by FutanXIV

I like how this long ass thread is basically 3 people actually talking about what this thread is about and 100 people saying "SELL THINGS ON THE AH! GAWD". Or in the case of Matsume "GO MAKE ANOTHER CHARACTER AND HAVE ONE OF YOUR FRIENDS HOLD ON TO THAT FEW HUNDRED THOUSAND GIL YOU MADE! GAWD". (You can't send things cross-account champ.)

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I have friends I can trust...If I ever needed to resort to such rudimentary gil making tactics. I'm just saying, there are plenty of ways to make gil. You just haven't found them. The "rhetorical" you, that is.

One thing people seem to be missing is the massive nerf that SE applied to the price of reselling items to NPCs. When ARR was launched, everyone's gil was cut to 10% of their sum total (i.e. if you had 1,000,000Gil you started ARR with 100,000Gil). I hear you already: "But SE cut the costs of everything to 10% so it's all relative and your point is moot" well, yes, but no at the same time.

With the revamp of items, and costs of items, and the resale to NPC price of items, they have nerfed a lot of what was viable to sell to NPC for gil. For example, the incredibly easy and common marmot skins used to NPC for something near 400gil - It was possible to pull in about up to about 10 stacks an hour just smashing these level 1 furries (10 x 99 x 400 = 396,000 gil). So you would think that the 10% rule of ARR = 39,600Gil? Nope... they nerfed the resale price of animal skins to 1Gil - which is now 400gil per hour.

My figures may be slightly off, as I am going from memory, but I remember it used to be a nice, easy and steady source of income - especially for lower levels. There were lots of these kinds of easy to farm, common drop items - Silver ore and obsidian used to drop like mad from the Spriggans, but no more.

Maybe there are efficient ways to generate gil into the economy which haven't been found yet, I don't know. What I do know is that they have nerfed a lot of the old methods.

I really don't see the problem if anything its way too easy to make Gil atm and could use a nerf. I think people are just thinking they are going to be rewarded for not putting hard work into the game.

If you don't like to farm all day like myself, do what I do I have a handful of people I pay 100k each to go out and farm me things. Now I make a ton of money and in return they are making a ton of money. If they don't like playing the market boards its win win for both parties.

I've never understood how repair costs are fun in any game. It's an insulting and oppressive mechanic. Not once have I ever heard anyone say 'Oh man, I really like repairing my gear in this game!!! It keeps me so entertained!!!' I'd far rather pay a flat fee for entering a dungeon, than to have a random repair cost I can't gauge well until the battle is over.

I don't mind the gil faucet where it is... but the gil sink needs to be tuned a little. Sure, there are things you can do to save money... but they aren't that fun either. I can accept frugality as a necessary mechanic... but yeah, the sink needs a little tuning if you are going to leave the faucet on at this slow drip.

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If you don't like to farm all day like myself, do what I do I have a handful of people I pay 100k each to go out and farm me things. Now I make a ton of money and in return they are making a ton of money. If they don't like playing the market boards its win win for both parties.

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While it's true that playing the market is an easy way to make gil, the argument isn't about whether it's easy to earn gil from selling to other players. The discussion is about whether you can acquire sufficient gil from simply farming or running instances.

I've seen conflicting reports from level 50 players in this thread, where some say you lose money running instances and others say you gain money, so I've no idea what the real case is.



If a level 50 player reads this, mind letting us know if you lose money on a no-wipe run of a high-level instance? Assuming, of course, that you sell all your loot.

So much fail in this topic. the OP raises very good concern since as it is the economy is losing more than gaining, then we have people saying i make enough money through farming and yet not seeing as that has 0 relevance to the issue at hand. you farming and getting money from another player is actually still losing money in the economy because of the AH cut. the issue is that (repair, travel, AH cut etc) > (money generated at end game from NPC and World)

the people raising this have no issues getting money from other players but they are showing how this will lead to a place where you cannot sell stuff and even repair because people wont have the money to do so anymore.

Gold ores can be gathered in Eastern Thanalan with Miner for all people who want more gold.

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Originally Posted by Merix

3000gil/day from Leves.

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About how many Leves/day are we talking here?
3000 gil would be 30k Gil in 1.0
A high level Leve in 1.0 gave around 7k gil
This would be 4-5 leves, am I right?

I think the amount of Gil coming in the economy is now more balanced than in 1.0

Really, the fast way to fix this would be to give us more Leve allowances and up the gold from dungeons and FATEs OR decrease the cost of repairs, travel, etc. In fact, an increase in the amount of Gil rewarded may cause too much inflation, no? A decrease may be in order!

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While it's true that playing the market is an easy way to make gil, the argument isn't about whether it's easy to earn gil from selling to other players. The discussion is about whether you can acquire sufficient gil from simply farming or running instances.

I've seen conflicting reports from level 50 players in this thread, where some say you lose money running instances and others say you gain money, so I've no idea what the real case is.



If a level 50 player reads this, mind letting us know if you lose money on a no-wipe run of a high-level instance? Assuming, of course, that you sell all your loot.

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I understand this but with crafting I am just over 1 mil Gil made so that balances out any Gil I lose in game. People just need to work on other things in this game to keep their gil up.

As long as what enters the world is proportional to what leaves we should be fine. The over all pie can't get smaller it has to at least stay the same.

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I understand this but with crafting I am just over 1 mil Gil made so that balances out any Gil I lose in game. People just need to work on other things in this game to keep their gil up.

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Unbelievable, after 24 pages of reading you still fail to comprehend the predicament in this thread.

The OP questions whether the server will be experiencing a net gain or a net loss, of gil, once players cannot tap into quest rewards anymore.

How this can be misinterpreted as "how to make money on AH", is beyond me.

Frankly, the amount of economic illiteracy being shown in this thread is really starting to scare me here.

Folks, we're talking MACRO economics here, not MICRO economics.

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Money comes in every time someone NPCs an allagan piece.

I think the economy is fine.

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I have about 20k gil in coin on my char... and like 50x 500gil Allagan pieces in my inventory. haha I forget to sell them. I consider them my "Savings Account".