The pressure to skip cut-scenes!

Can't you watch them from your room?

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Originally Posted by Incendium

Can't you watch them from your room?

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Can't you just not play FFXIV:ARR at all and just watch someone stream it or look up a video on youtube?

I have never come across this yet.... and will refuse to do so. I want to experience the game and if they cannot see that then i know some people who wont get heals :P

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Originally Posted by Incendium

Can't you watch them from your room?

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would you rather watch a game with friends in real-time or would you just rather see the highlight reel on the news?

Nope, I will not skip the CS nor ask anyone to. Who am I to tell anyone what they can or can't watch? My main is also a healer so if you're in that much of a rush and not need my heals then I hope you brought potions.

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Originally Posted by Serdapi

To some people beating things quickly is the fun, not watching cut scenes. Why do people that watch the cut scenes ruin the other persons fun...?

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True. But since I didn't buy your copy of the game and I won't be paying for your subscription to it, I won't be telling you how to play. So what gives you the right to tell me I have to rush through content I enjoy to make you happy?

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Originally Posted by Serdapi

Same could be set about people who want to watch cut scene's without pressure to skip. Please..

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If you choose to use the DF to farm an instance, you have put yourself in the position of being grouped with a first-timer. You made that choice, you live the with consequences. If you do not like the consequences, then you should take the advice given and form a farm group. In the end, it is your choice how you enjoy your game experience and others' choice how they enjoy theirs--but you do not have the right to dictate that choice to anyone.

I ignore this and I just watch cut scene when I am new to it.

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Originally Posted by Sazhka

ohh :) honest mistake....no i will never ask someone to skip a cutscene...but if it is my first CS then yes i will watch it...but i will drop if they make a big issue with it

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In that case, I salute you sir. Leave those peeps hangin'.

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Originally Posted by Regis

For the dungeons that we are talking about it doesn't really work like this at all...

When you actually hit 50 and do the dungeons we're talking about you will find out why people ask you to skip some of them. Especially in Praetorium...

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The problem is that it's not just happening at 50. I've seen this at lower levels already. I have absolutely no issue with what's being said about Praetorium: if it's for the good of the group and necessary to avoid a wipe because the cs's are ill-timed and because the battle goes on as the cs occurs, then it's only logical to skip it. I'm talking about cs's that do not occur mid-battle, that the fight isn't triggered until after the cs is over--which people are doing because they just don't want to wait. That is what I'm seeing and no, it's not okay when viewing the cs doesn't impact the group meaningfully.

Wow is this really an issue? So much sense of entitlement on these forums. I'm 90% positive no one skips their first time watching a cut scene, game has been out officially out..what 8 days? What's the rush people? This game will be around for a while believe me so people better get used to it or quit. I'm okay with either.

I'm still amazed that there are seriously people who think it's unacceptable to let new players watch a storyline cutscene. It only takes a few minutes. If your time is really that precious that you can't wait patiently for 1-2 minutes while a new player enjoys a piece of the storyline you have probably already enjoyed, then what are you doing playing a videogame in the first place?

I wish I was shocked that this was even an issue, but getting older is just turning me into cynical old man. Everyone needs to learn to respect one another, allow everyone to have a good time and play cooperatively, rather than continue to make an *** of themselves.

Do not demand anyone to skip anything unless you form a party specifically for that purpose. If you want to do a speed clear and you use duty finder, you're doing it wrong.

I agree with OP and think it is incredibly annoying. I am all for people skipping the cut-scenes if everyone in the party has already done the dungeon and watched it, however if they have never done the dungeon before let them watch it! I had to skip every cut-scene for the last 2 storyline dungeons because people in my party refused to wait 1 minute. It's incredible how rude people can be in the duty finders when you know you will never see those players ever again. And I know you can just watch them in the inn afterwards but it won't ever feel as epic from the first time watching it right before the fight.

Have not reached those dungeons myself. What I've heard from ppl who have done them is that the cutscenes are not just 1-2 min/dungeon.

The one with the airship fight once it blows up you get a CS and people just stay there watching while everyone else is close to death. So ya it good to skip that type of CS the once that does not lock everyone.

Personally I rather like it when there is someone watching the cs so we have to wait, it gives me time to say hi and stuff to the other people in the party. The cs in the middle of castrum whotsit are a pain though. If a cs starts while you have aggro then half your party can wipe while people are viewing the cs.

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Originally Posted by charlemagne

Personally I rather like it when there is someone watching the cs so we have to wait, it gives me time to say hi and stuff to the other people in the party. The cs in the middle of castrum whotsit are a pain though. If a cs starts while you have aggro then half your party can wipe while people are viewing the cs.

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Aw come on. Me and my PUG laughed our asses out when that happened.

*pops out of cutscenes to suddenly see dead bodies and people running around in a panic*

Good times, good times.

I always do dungeons with my husband. He's a tank and I'm a healer and we're gonna watch the cut-scenes when it's our first time.
If you don't like it you can leave. If you want to have it your way then go to Subway!

In 1.0 we couldn't skip cutscenes because we would have a 50% chance of a client crash. Awesomeness.

Simple fixes here:

1. Lock everyone in that barrier until all cutscenes are done.
2. Lock doors ala Darkhold until trash mobs are defeated to avoid speed runs with sac pulls.
3. Add meaningful drops to trash mobs - i.e. Tomestones OR a worthy bonus to final Tomestone count if all enemies are dispatched.

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Originally Posted by Feria

I always do dungeons with my husband. He's a tank and I'm a healer and we're gonna watch the cut-scenes when it's our first time.
If you don't like it you can leave. If you want to have it your way then go to Subway!

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Dungeon are fine but there one type of cs in one of the dungeon for storyline with a blowing airship. If you don't skip it you going to get everyone killed. Now tell me is that fair? for us all to have to sit there and die while people watch a dumb airship blow up? That why there a inn with a little book that allow you to watch every single CS in the game.

At the end of the day it's going to happen i love watching CS and dislike when people make me skip. I did not do it for COP in FFXI when the timer keep going and i wont do it in FFXIV. But there just some CS you just have to say ok and skip for and the airship blowing up yep you have to skip.

IMO get an option in duty finder for "no cutscenes",

im not farming praetorium right now because with cutscenes the time it takes to do its double.

And since i dont want to pressure ppl no to watch the cutscenes, i just dont queue, first times should be able to watch the cutscenes, i just dont wanna play with them :(

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

If you don't skip it you going to get everyone killed.

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I haven't gotten this far, so I guess I have to ask: if everyone is in the cutscene, will this fight start? Because if it won't, then wouldn't an equally valid solution be to ask if people are going to watch the cutscene earlier and then either have everyone watch it or everyone skip it? If that's not the case, I can understand where you are coming from.

I'm of the opinion that if you want to speed run a dungeon, you should grab enough like-minded people and go do it. Otherwise, realize you're sharing a duty with other people and try to accommodate their needs as well.

In my first try of Preatorium eveyone was new, so we took our time and enjoyed ourself (including cutscenes).
Guess what - we wiped a few times and - boom - timer ran out in the middle of the second to last bossfight -.-

Second run - I took lead (am tank) and asked everyone to be as fast as possible and skip CS to avoid that happening again - they were cool with that, but we finished with an hour to spare so I felt very bad about it in the end :-/

I watch them the first time, if people farming can't live with that then I'm sorry. At the start of every run it tells you if someone is new (well doesn't say who just that someone hasn't run this one before) so right there you know what the score is, its not like they take all that long.

This has probably been mentioned before, but they should just disable cutscene skipping when they are watched for the first time. Usually you let players skip cutscenes because you don't want to force them to watch them if they don't care. But there are two problems with this way of thinking:

1. People won't even start to care about the story when they skip cutscenes from the beginning. Players don't know what's best for them, that's why games have rules rather than being completely open sandboxes.

2. Not forcing players to watch cutscenes is one thing, but in MMOs this also means forcing others to skip them even though they'd like to watch them. Of course you could always watch them regardless of what the party wants, but that just leads to drama or even gets you kicked from the party (once they add that feature).

Lol, if someone told me to skip a cut scene, I'd, probably not very politely, tell them where to go. We had a war complaining because we watched the Garuda cut scene on the main story. I ignored him. I also pitied him, he didn't stay and watch the cut scene after that - just said 'don't we get any loot for this?' And left. So sad.

If you truly want to effectively farm for tombstones. Then grab 7 others on your world and clear them in 20-40 mins and repeating it. Complaining about first timers watching CSes when you queued Duty Finder and waited 20 to 60mins to get a full party is just stupid.

What I find truly hilarious is the majority of the complainers I've come across are the ones that lack skill, do crap DPS, and/or die and take all avoidable AoE dmg.

They always have the choice of leaving. If not, tough luck, they can wait it out

The game has been out a week. People should display a shred of patience and common decency and allow for people to watch the culmination of the games main story. Don't join a main story instance and rage when people want to actually experience the climax of their storyline. It's just retarded.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Dungeon are fine but there one type of cs in one of the dungeon for storyline with a blowing airship. If you don't skip it you going to get everyone killed. Now tell me is that fair? for us all to have to sit there and die while people watch a dumb airship blow up? That why there a inn with a little book that allow you to watch every single CS in the game.

At the end of the day it's going to happen i love watching CS and dislike when people make me skip. I did not do it for COP in FFXI when the timer keep going and i wont do it in FFXIV. But there just some CS you just have to say ok and skip for and the airship blowing up yep you have to skip.

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Well if watch a CS will get players killed then it's SE's fault to blame. Why you have to blame other players for it??

They always have the choice of leaving. If not, tough luck, they can wait it out

I have found that a lot of people that complain about the people watching the cut scenes end up watching the cut scenes. I think they think it is the new cool thing to be the one to complain. I just threaten not to heal anyone that pulls anything before the people that are watching the cut scenes are done. Unless it is just one person and they want to pull trash while we wait.

When I was doing my last story mission someone wanted to watch all the cs. And for the life of me I couldn't understand why he wouldn't skip, everyone told him to please skip them. With a game with so many issues you think the man would have listened well we got to the last boss and he DCd if it was 90k error or his internet idk. The point is when the game will kick your ass off for no reason you better hurry and skip those damn CS when your at the end of the game. I would have /raged so hard if I would have got 90k while doing the last boss. Also the last few story missions are 180mins not 90mins wont take that long but it should be some incentive to hurry up.

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Originally Posted by Efrye

This has probably been mentioned before, but they should just disable cutscene skipping when they are watched for the first time.

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No thanks cause sometimes while people are watching a CS that gives me time to get a drink, Take a leak, or look around the area while ppl are watching.

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Originally Posted by Berani

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Problem is, CSs are *not* ill-timed, the fight pauses and the mob does not re-engage until a party member engages it. The game clearly shows when a party member is in CS, and, as such serves as a warning to the rest of the party to not touch the damn mob. Wait the 2 minutes, I promise your life will not be negatively impacted for a couple of minutes in a dungeon that is slated to run 120 minutes.

I'm a tank. The group goes in without me, they die. If I want to watch a cutscene, I'll watch a cutscene. They can howl and protest all they want, but they'll have to wait an hour to find another group, and I instaqueue.

I was the healer in a dungeon with a somewhat long and voiced cutscene and my group ran in the boss room while I was in the cutscene and died. They learned their lesson. I suggest you just tell your group "no", and enjoy the cutscene for as long as you want.

I refuse to let someone pressure me into missing a story cutscene.

I just beat the last 2 story dungeons while barely touching the bosses if at all. People are in a rush and I've enjoyed the heck out of the story. I won't watch them in the inn because the atmosphere isn't there and that's just no fun. Either way they left me out on like every single boss and complained every step of the way but I loved the story so there was no way I was gonna skip it. I say just watch it, have fun, and respect others who want to enjoy the story too.

At the last mission, there's cutscene in the middle of the fight, but the clock keeps ticking.

We ran out of time on the boss, and we were about to win, but because people were watching cutscenes, we couldn't finish it.

To do it again, it meant that we would have to spend another hour or two to get back to where we were and that's what some people did not want to do.

I will have to repeat the last quest, just so I can watch part of the cutscene that is not included in the inn. :(

There's a way to remove the pressure on people to skip cut-scenes. Simply do what Guild Wars did and don't mention who's still in a cut-scene. List it as something like: "2 players are viewing a cut-scene." Also, don't allow anyone to move (but still view and chat) until the cut-scene is over for everyone. This will prevent people finding out who's still in a cut-scene.

The other option is to include a DF check box with "skip cutscenes" as a queue choice, queuing you only with others who check it.

And for everyone arguing about whether it's rude or takes too much time to watch them? The simple fact is there's nothing you can do about it. You can complain all you want, but at the end of the day if someone wants to watch a cut-scene, they can. And you have to sit and wait for it to be over.

(Or at least run in with a person or two missing).

Edit: I can certainly empathize the issue with the timers still running during cut-scenes, though. They should be paused whilst anyone is viewing them. Just make sure others cannot move whilst anyone is viewing them though, or this could be taken advantage of.

I love how the tank in my party for my 2nd to last dungeon fight for the story runs in, while it CLEARLY says "Viewing Cut scene" on people's names in the party list. He goes in, dies, and then is like "WTF guys?"
Umm...the mages were watching the CS's you idiot. LOL....

Note: I wasn't one of the mages, and I did skip this CS b/c this particular guy kept rushing in without waiting previously in this same dungeon. His death, made me laugh.