New NMs

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

People who want 24 hour repops are probably the same people who complain that theres no rank locked gear. :/

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Hmm, no to 24 hour pops but yes to rank locked gear, so your theory is wrong sir.

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Originally Posted by Visch

Destroyer's? O Kotes? All those items are jokes. Not every person had a ridill or an E body. Very VERY few people has D ring.

This stuff stayed rare for what? Since RoTZ to went? E body came from Odin but it will still hard to get. They were all good until the level cap went up which took 8 years. That is what made FFXI worth playing. It didn't need to keep spoon feeding people content.

No matter what you did in XI there was always going to be someone on some server with a better set up.

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umm almost everyone 1 i knew or partied with had ridill. that was a good 300 ppl. e body i saw often and d ring also. Only stuff I rarely seen was the dynamis weapons, mythic weapons and never saw a emyprian or w.e weapon. Remember i did say I play ffxi for 12-20 hours I see alot of ppl during that time. spawn times made stuff no harder. The actuall fight does. Skill isn't on how long you play it is how good you play. I bet your not even a gamer let alone an mmo gamer.

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Originally Posted by Goshzilla

So why not just make the NM itself actually hard?

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It doesn't make the gear any rarer. It doesn't work.

If you can kill something 2 or 3 times you can kill it everytime. Unless something is litter impossible like AV then there is no point in it's strength once strats have been developed and people figure out how to kill it.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

umm almost everyone 1 i knew or partied with had ridill. that was a good 300 ppl. e body i saw often and d ring also. Only stuff I rarely seen was the dynamis weapons, mythic weapons and never saw a emyprian or w.e weapon. Remember i did say I play ffxi for 12-20 hours I see alot of ppl during that time. spawn times made stuff no harder. The actuall fight does. Skill isn't on how long you play it is how good you play. I bet your not even a gamer let alone an mmo gamer.

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Dude. It's already been established you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to XI.

You saw 300 people with ridill yet "never saw those NM, they always pop at 6 am i think"?

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Originally Posted by Visch

No lyin', if they can repop 2 times every hour and every drop is crafted into 4 whatevers I'ma throw my keyboard out of the window.

24 hour HNMs please! Who is with me?

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Throw yourself out of the window.

No offense.

NO, DO NOT WANT!

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Originally Posted by solracht

Throw yourself out of the window.

No offense.

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Woah, mad much? Your sig makes you look like you actually want to play the game. Guess not.

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Originally Posted by Keftenk

24hour NMs would contradict the whole casual-ess game that SE wants to build. At least, they keep boasting and spewing out how they want things to be easier for the players.

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As a casual player (one good play session a week max, maybe a couple very short sessions) I am concerned that SE will confuse ACCESSIBLE content with EASY content. There is a very large difference. I should be able to start participating in a variety of interesting things to do, without wasting a lot of time to begin playing. However, once I am engaged in particular content, that content should NOT BE EASY TO COMPLETE. It should always be possible (and sometimes VERY LIKELY) for me to fail and have to try again later.

And as a casual player - I am ok with variety of content that requires varying time commitments. I just need to have a rough idea of what I am getting in to. An example could be a Gladiator's arena with different battle styles - Style 1 is single fights and pair ups and you can expect them to last 10-15 minutes to complete. After that you/your group gets dumped out and you sign back up. This lets a casual or hardcore player play as much as they want. Style 2 is a hold off the waves of ever increasing difficulty mobs type battle until your group gets slaughtered. Clearly this will have a different time commitment. SE - That is OK!

Now while I don't want to sit around waiting for a mob to pop, only to miss it. The game does need more content that takes a party 6 hours to tackle and is challenging, as well as more meaningfully designed content in the 1 hour time frame that is also challenging.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Hmm, no to 24 hour pops but yes to rank locked gear, so your theory is wrong sir.

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same here, NO to 24hr+ repop, YES to gear rank requirements

Dude, making them 24 hour pops didn't make them hard or fun, making them incredibly difficult...that made them hard and fun. Now granted I stopped playing a little after ToAU came out, so I can't say how easy anything is after lvl cap increase , but I say no to 24 hour pops.

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Originally Posted by Visch

It doesn't make the gear any rarer. It doesn't work.

If you can kill something 2 or 3 times you can kill it everytime. Unless something is litter impossible like AV then there is no point in it's strength once strats have been developed and people figure out how to kill it.



Dude. It's already been established you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to XI.

You saw 300 people with ridill yet "never saw those NM, they always pop at 6 am i think"?

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dude can the flippen insults for me giving you facts. most of those 300 ppl were japanese. you get it? Redill was comman sight. Alot of ppl who no lives hunted them. But most ppl barely ad acess who did have a life. Sorry nothing you said is remotely true. If you don't think I know much about ffxi for wasting 6 years of my life to it, go to xbox.com and do a plater search fir DarkAngel Raven. My ffxi achiv are there.

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Originally Posted by Visch

It doesn't make the gear any rarer. It doesn't work.

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Still didn't see any compelling argument about gear having to be "rare". The game isn't already bursting with content. Not a good idea to make what content it already has even less accessible.

Lol seriously, 300 people still probably don't have Ridill in 11...

I'd love to know what server you played on. God forbid you say you were on ours... Anywho, 24hr NMs with a shorter window, Yes please.

23-24 hr pop, 1hr window. Random spawn in that window, with rare drop rate, and hard difficulty (maybe some strong adds nearby, leading to epic MPK) All those things sound fun. :D

Fun? so you can feel special after buying it off from some jp player?

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

dude can the flippen insults for me giving you facts. most of those 300 ppl were japanese. you get it? Redill was comman sight. Alot of ppl who no lives hunted them. But most ppl barely ad acess who did have a life. Sorry nothing you said is remotely true. If you don't think I know much about ffxi for wasting 6 years of my life to it, go to xbox.com and do a plater search fir DarkAngel Raven. My ffxi achiv are there.

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I don't understand what you're saying in half your posts. I'd give it a little more time, and thinking before you click quick reply, if you're trying to get some kind of point across. If you're not...then disregard this message.

Alsi visch your twisting my words I did do some hnm hunts and got sick from it. I kept tabs on time and 99% of the time the nm was in the japanese time frame. which is my 12am-6am. Nearly every nm hunt I seen or saw the sched for was around during those times.

24 hr pop times doesn;t make anything more rare, it don;t make it more difficault either. All it did was get ppl sick or killed them.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Still didn't see any compelling argument about gear having to be "rare". The game isn't already bursting with content. Not a good idea to make what content it already has even less accessible.

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Less accessible?? LESS ACCESSIBLE??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNknL...el_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_8CH...el_video_title

THEY ARE ALWAYS UP, WALKING AROUND AND YOU CAN KILL THEM WITH 2 PEOPLE. HOW IS THAT NOT MORE THAN ACCESSIBLE??

If gear isn't rare what is the point in even playing???? So everyone can be the same and have everything??

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Originally Posted by Scarface

Lol seriously, 300 people still probably don't have Ridill in 11...

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o_O?? I don't know about that >_>

i think, with 'Less accessible' he simply meant that ATM FFXIV has so little content, the last thing we need are 24h nm.

KAPISH?

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Originally Posted by Scarface

I don't understand what you're saying in half your posts. I'd give it a little more time, and thinking before you click quick reply, if you're trying to get some kind of point across. If you're not...then disregard this message.

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ADD... (do i really have to keep saying that...)

what I said to visch was to stop givuing a pathetic attitude, to stop insulting everyone for not wanting 24 hr pops. And that those hnm gear drop were pretty common. Such as joytoy, ridill ebody etc. The 24 pop time didn't make the item more rare. Nor made it hard to get.

So the biggest arguement I see here is that drops aren't rare enough....change drop the rate then?

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Originally Posted by Visch

It's pretty obvious you don't play the game already.

And you would quit just because there is something you can't do without trying? That's really sad.

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I do play, but only a couple times per week because with the current state of the game, I would rather do other things like, see the sun, or play Starcraft 2, or focus on schoolwork. When the game is patched and playable I intend on putting more time into it.

Newsflash: Not everyone plays games hardcore, are you just pissy because you're in the minority? I suppose that could be understandable.

How exactly are YOU not being selfish? Sounds pretty hypocritical and I sort of feel like I'm probably feeding a troll. Oh well.

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Originally Posted by Visch

Your sig makes you look like you actually want to play the game. Guess not.

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Not that I see where this comment comes from, but "playing the game" is not standing in Dragon's Aery for 3 hours or not actually getting to fight the Notorious Monster.

You might think so if you fit in the group of players that my signature is making fun of, however: a group of players which probably considers watching youtube videos and using third party applications to claim part of the game's challenge and immersion.

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Originally Posted by Visch

Woah, mad much?

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You post a troll/dumb suggestion, you get troll/dumb answers. Good day, sir. Now excuse me while I punch a wall since I'm obviously exploding with anger.

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Originally Posted by Scarface

You're officially the most retarded person on these forums.

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Dude, i am no fan of Kilta but calling people retarded is not funny. What's wrong with you?

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

ADD... (do i really have to keep saying that...)

what I said to visch was to stop givuing a pathetic attitude, to stop insulting everyone for not wanting 24 hr pops. And that those hnm gear drop were pretty common. Such as joytoy, ridill ebody etc. The 24 pop time didn't make the item more rare. Nor made it hard to get.

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Every time you post I read your paragraph less and less.. YOU MAKE NO SENSE CALLING JOY TOY END GAME LOL.

End game was Ridill, Ebody, Mbody, ABody, Vallhala Gear, Dynamis Relics, D ring... What are you talking about??

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Originally Posted by Randis

Dude, i am no fan of Kilta but calling people retarded is not funny. What's wrong with you?

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I'm not even responding to your 3rd grade omg he called me a retard comment.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

dude can the flippen insults for me giving you facts.

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I don't completely disagree with you, but I'd like to point out that just because you claim something to be a fact, that alone does not make it a fact. Klaus was not insulting you by calling your alleged facts into question.

Whatever your reasons, your responses are poorly worded. I'm not besmirching your opinion, but please stop responding unless you can slow down and proofread your posts at least a little bit. You're not going to get anywhere with anyone until you do, because it's too difficult to understand what you're trying to say.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

ADD... (do i really have to keep saying that...)

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Kilta_Firelotus
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Awful lot of posts for someone who claims to be unable to concentrate.

NMs should be powerful,requiring different tactics and team work to defeat.
Not "hard" couse you have to be at the exact place at the exact time with the exact bot to claim it.Been there , done that , is boring and is a stupid time sink only approved for those without lives, hell i sure was one.

Is like if you want to show off say " look i beat that super-mega-duper hard enemy" and not " look i expend whole day spamming enter and claimed that enemy".
In before " thins are only hard for X amount of time! Hell yea thats what MMOs are about, when the yesterdays hard become easy/standard, You release new and stronger enemies.Is how MMOS evolve.

Asking for ground HNMs mechanics for monster appearance is giving the devs more reasons to be lazy and not make engaging hard battles.They can make it hard based on repop time.hell no, i want monsters to be hard and unique.

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Originally Posted by Visch

Less accessible?? LESS ACCESSIBLE??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNknL...el_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_8CH...el_video_title

THEY ARE ALWAYS UP, WALKING AROUND AND YOU CAN KILL THEM WITH 2 PEOPLE. HOW IS THAT NOT MORE THAN ACCESSIBLE??

If gear isn't rare what is the point in even playing???? So everyone can be the same and have everything??

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umm its an mmo it is bound to happen as it ages like in ff11. people start getting stuf which means less and less competition. which is why ridill is common now. A ton of ppl had that stupid sword yet no one used it, it was mearly for status. Like kirin osode, ppl used it as a status symbol.

And trust me I wasted 6-7 years of my life playing ffxi, playing around 12-20 hour 7 days a week. My ex b/f paid for my count and every addon. That is how bad my life got. You do not what to enhd up like that...

You and your buddies are poser. You guys are clear the minority, accept it.
Typing with CAPs on and calling people retards are the only arguments you guys have.

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Originally Posted by solracht

Not that I see where this comment comes from, but "playing the game" is not standing in Dragon's Aery for 3 hours or not actually getting to fight the Notorious Monster.

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Can't be leet if everyone has everything.

That's "playing the game", how?

They should make NM's spawnable by Farmed items, and the Good items that are dropped by these NM's should be rare/ex and untradable, this stops the bot claiming and gives everyone a chance to get these items. This also stops the cornering of the markets by these LS's with no life that sit and camp NM's all day to rape every person out there for all the gil they have earned. The person who spawns the NM gets the drop (if one) and the strategy of said NM's should change dynamically each and every battle. This would make the game more challenging and encourage team playing by helping each other get these drops.

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Originally Posted by Scarface

I'm not even responding to your 3rd grade omg he called me a retard comment.

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grow up you flipping marthra focker, i got mentally challeged aka retarted as you so nicely put family members. Dude you need help, you just called me retarted and him a 3rd grader over the fact we don't want 24 hr pop nms.

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Originally Posted by Zkieve

NMs should be powerful,requiring different tactics and team work to defeat.
Not "hard" couse you have to be at the exact place at the exact time with the exact bot to claim it.Been there , done that , is boring and is a stupid time sink only approved for those without lives, hell i sure was one.

Is like if you want to show off say " look i beat that super-mega-duper hard enemy" and not " look i expend whole day spamming enter and claimed that enemy".
In before " thins are only hard for X amount of time! Hell yea thats what MMOs are about, when the yesterdays hard become easy/standard, You release new and stronger enemies.Is how MMOS evolve.

Asking for ground HNMs mechanics for monster appearance is giving the devs more reasons to be lazy and not make engaging hard battles.They can make it hard based on repop time.hell no, i want monsters to be hard and unique.

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What I'm saying is that 24hr NMs add an extra layer of difficulty because eventually the "hard" mob wont be hard...the strat wont be difficulty and anyone with half a brain can kill it.

So......if you don't restrict it by a time limit or once a day spawn...everyone will have it like Silver Tricorne in 1month. Also needs to be a low drop rate.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

umm its an mmo it is bound to happen as it ages like in ff11.

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Ages??? THE NMs CAME OUT IN DECEMBER NOTHING HAS AGED.

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Originally Posted by solracht

That's "playing the game", how?

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By being good?

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Originally Posted by Visch

Can't be leet if everyone has everything.

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Take a look at WoW guilds. Everyone essentially has the same as everyone else, even the top hardcore guilds, but one guild is better then the other.

I said this in another thread and got shot to shit for it but .... put all NM's in instances and dungeons ... raaarrr

Seriously though, do you really think that staring at the screen, waiting for an NM to pop for like 3 hours (sometimes at 3am midnight), competing with other screen staring zombies and bots in spamming /ma Dia XXX in a lag infested zone, then when it pops, the winner goes to the one with the best internet ping, then you feel like you have wasted 3hours of your sleeping time doing nothing is fun?

Games are supposed to be fun, that is not fun, that is a job, an unfair one too. I've had my fair share of being an FFXI slave, sure there were fun times, but things can still be fun and rewarding without depriving you of your life.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

grow up you flipping marthra focker, i got mentally challeged aka retarted as you so nicely put family members. Dude you need help, you just called me retarted and him a 3rd grader over the fact we don't want 24 hr pop nms.

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Are you okay? Step away from the keyboard.

Ahhh.... How the NA forums always turn into flame fests some way or another...