A Little Pain with my Pleasure

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Originally Posted by Shift

I personally feel the current death penalty is just fine.

- The Raise spell has a long enough cooldown to prevent spamming

- Weakness will hurt you but wont prevent you from re-engaging battle

- Brink of Death will severely penalize your stats, completely nerfing your ability to fight at all

- Cost of repairs are significant enough if you have to repair via NPC. Or you have to invest a significant amount of time in crafting in order to repair your own gear. Not everyone has a pocket-repairer buddy on hand 24/7, especially new players.

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Wanna also mention that if you die 3 times in a row while weak you can't pull your wep out also stopping people from zombie killing.

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Originally Posted by Firon

Wanna also mention that if you die 3 times in a row while weak you can't pull your wep out also stopping people from zombie killing.

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Your sig. Tiny Tina XD I read that quote in her voice. That was such a "..what..." moment. You know that's the voice of the girl in "Hey Ash, whatch playin'?"

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Originally Posted by Rex

Your sig. Tiny Tina XD I read that quote in her voice. That was such a "..what..." moment. You know that's the voice of the girl in "Hey Ash, whatch playin'?"

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Yeah <3 her lol.

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Originally Posted by schism

Stop bringing up WoW we all know by now that most of you have a game boner for it. This is Final Fantasy last time I checked. I could care less about what they did good. SE can do way better than Blizzard and has on many games. Diablo 3 failed just as hard maybe harder than ffxiv did at launch.

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Is that why FFXIV had under 20k active users even when it was free?

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Originally Posted by schism

Stop bringing up WoW we all know by now that most of you have a game boner for it. This is Final Fantasy last time I checked. I could care less about what they did good. SE can do way better than Blizzard and has on many games. Diablo 3 failed just as hard maybe harder than ffxiv did at launch.

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You're just pouring gasoline on a fire.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Is that why FFXIV had under 20k active users even when it was free?

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how dare you! people on this forum are allergic to facts. you might kill him!

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Originally Posted by Pseudopsia

You're just pouring gasoline on a fire.

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gasoline made of distilled ignorance.

Can't tell if you're serious.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Can't tell if you're serious.

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Honestly, I'm starting to think that guy is just a big 'ol troll.

And some opinions are flat out wrong and based off ignorance.

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Originally Posted by schism

Dont bash me for stating my opinion we all have em some ppl just cant take it.

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You can state as many opinions as you want, it won't magically make them all correct. Opinions without facts to back them up are pretty worthless.

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Originally Posted by schism

I played it for maybe a couple months and that was enough for me but I could care less about that trash. I had 4 relics in FFXI but im not bragging or anything. Now that was an accomplishement that I hope they bring back in ARR just without the huge time sink.

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Normally I'd be one of the first to say you don't necessarily have to experience something to understand it. However, that's not an ironclad rule. You can guesstimate (WTF Guesstimate is a word? It didn't Correct it) many things and understand many things without doing them, some however, you cannot.

I won't claim to say how difficult XI was, but I've been in every single one of those instances Fusional listed. I didn't complete them all, most, but not all. It's not a walk in the park. So you can call it trash all you want, but it doesn't mean anything to anyone except "He doesn't like WoW". I don't like it much anymore either, but I have the experience so I have some semblance of what I'm talking about.

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Originally Posted by schism

Ignorance is you coming on a FF forum talking about another game over and over. We get it you are a casual crap player that never got anything cool in FFXI so you went to WoW and got everything in a week lol.

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Originally Posted by schism

Dont bash me for stating my opinion we all have em some ppl just cant take it.

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Is it just me or does that sound like "I'll insult you, but you can't insult me." I vote for troll.

I personally don't mind either for death penalty. I use to play bards in ffxi when people still did normal parties. When things went bad, I was the first to die (foe and horde lullaby until the party can get back on their feet.). Because (back in those days), bards got exp like nobody's business. I even soloed drg from 30~75 before WotG came out (it took me a long time) and I've had my share of deaths on even jobs that didn't get a lot of exp easily. Was it disheartening to die and lose exp, yes. More so than damaged gear. But I can't say one is better than the other. It really comes down to personal preference, I think. Basically, when you die, do you want to pay time or gil? Again, I don't mind either as long as it's reasonable (i.e. not lose 3 levels from 1 death or not lose 80% of your total amount of gil when you die.).

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Originally Posted by schism

Nope its the truth lol. Look at all these ppl getting all pissed off its actually kinda sad. And I played ffxi since day one up until Abysea so Ive been around the block or im just old school. Ignorance is you coming on a FF forum talking about another game over and over. We get it you are a casual crap player that never got anything cool in FFXI so you went to WoW and got everything in a week lol.

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if by "anything cool" you mean defending ring and aegis, then you'd be absolutely right! i was about 0/40 on defending ring and had 60/100 or so silverpieces when i quit in late 2006/early 2007, and never really bothered with either when i came back from 07-08. but i did have armadaberk back when it was actually rare. and the ridill you never had and never will. shadow ring, shadow mantle. kclub for unnecessary epeen since i never played DRK. i solo tanked byakko as NIN when your alliance was lucky to win with 3 tanks and 2 or 3 more on standby. i straight tanked kirin as PLD for 30min wins with 16 people back when you needed 24+ people for 2-3 hour kills. does that make you mad? it should, because XI was never a difficult game.

of course you'd think everything in WoW was attainable in a week if you never legitimately played it. typical.

how about this game? what have you done in XIV that's at all noteworthy?

the saddest part is none of this would matter if you weren't trying to paint *others* as casual/bad, which you are clearly attempting to do. so this all sounds like just a lot of projection on your part. and it's really suspicious you didn't offer up any of the information i requested. trying to shed the spotlight, eh? amateur move.

anyway, what we're trying to explain to you is that having an opinion is perfectly fine, but you should also be ready to face the music when people rightfully point out that your opinion is based on outright ignorance, poor perspective and lack of experience. and you can certainly attempt to argue that you possess none of those traits, but you're doing an exceedingly poor job of making that case.

i always laugh when people who've spent their entire MMO careers hitting the same WS macro over and over try to talk about difficulty. would love to see you goons try to maintain a SnD/Rupture rotation through a 10 minute boss fight while dodging shit and maintaining optimal dps.

The E-peen is strong in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

The E-peen is strong in this thread.

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and every time anyone lists accomplishments to give context to an argument, a wild butthurt appears.

tell me, then. how would you demonstrate that you have experience and understanding of a game without providing context and evidence? i'm all ears.

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Originally Posted by fusional

and every time anyone lists accomplishments to give context to an argument, a wild butthurt appears.

tell me, then. how would you demonstrate that you have experience and understanding of a game without providing context and evidence? i'm all ears.

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I don't think he was talking about you specifically. I think he was just saying in general.

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Originally Posted by schism

It's obvious that you guys are very passionate about WoW but got to their forums for that. And in FFXIV I didnt do much because it was incomplete if im not mistaken so yea I didnt like it I didnt play it much lol. FFXI I played for many years and had everything a mnk, rdm, pld, bst would ever want/need I could list em all if you want. I will say Im pumped about this game and hope they please all types of players. I'm not gonna argue with ppl who only see one side I'm much better than that.

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Translation:
If you don't like ffxiv, gtfo. I played ffxi a long time. I like this game. My one side is better than your one side.

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Originally Posted by schism

And in FFXIV I didnt do much because it was incomplete if im not mistaken so yea I didnt like it I didnt play it much lol.

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Can you say something without offending someone?

i'm not passionate about WoW. i'm passionate about videogames (MMOs especially) and reason.

the fact that i played WoW before doesn't mean i'm in love with it. the fact that i don't play WoW any longer doesn't mean i hate it. the same goes for FFXI, EQ2, Tera, FFXIV...

i don't understand why people find it so hard to be objective about the comparative strengths and weaknesses of the games they play. how are future games supposed to get any better if all your arguments are charged with bias?

how can the devs possibly make FFXIV better if all the fans do is say "WoW suxx FFXI rulez" or "FFXI suxx WoW rulez"? it's stupid and pointless.

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Originally Posted by Exn

If you wanted to make a contribution, you'd go along and beat the content WITHOUT blabbing whatever strategy your LS came up with all over the interwebs effectively making it a piece of cake to take the challenge out of the encounter.. Giving ppl the answers isn't a contribution, it's just what your type of shells like to do.

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Do you know the percentage of players that cleared Nael (Hard)? Even with some groups carrying people through who could otherwise not beat it?

I ain't even mad, I destroyed your side with a one-liner, and you're still here making a fool of yourself to people who are openly laughing at you.

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Originally Posted by MyKotoShi

When I die, I want to restart at level -0

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Na let's go sword art online if you die in game you die in real life.

everyone is afraid of it

Challenge is good and healthy - I don't think anyone disagrees with that. Defining what is challenging and how much should be present is in fact is the more difficult proposition apparently. I'm only hoping the devs listen to enough player feedback to know we don't want a facsimile of some other game whether it be WoW or FFXI and that many players wish for there to be some substance/depth to how we play.

I like that the ARR team is taking inspiration from many sources and many opinions.
"Seeing what we can accomplish when competing against each other, imagine what we could accomplish if we worked together?"
- Unknown

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Originally Posted by schism

In WoW I got to lvl 80 in a week lol. Was clearing content fast enuff to laugh at. Yes I knew some ppl in a really good guild but thats beside the point. I was clearing endgame including Lich King wins at a pace it was laughable to say the least. I definetly don't want another experience like that. You don't feel any accomplishment happening just sayin.

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Before or after he was nerfed? How about C'thun/AQ40? Naxx 40? Or we can jump to BC and look at KT/Vash/M'uru?

Also when a good group gets a fight down pat, even if it's considered hard, it becomes a lot easier because people know what to do.

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Originally Posted by ispano

Before or after he was nerfed? How about C'thun/AQ40? Naxx 40? Or we can jump to BC and look at KT/Vash/M'uru?

Also when a good group gets a fight down pat, even if it's considered hard, it becomes a lot easier because people know what to do.

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ya i agree doing ifrit ex a lot which i got 3 relics before i said i save my money. I say that once you know what to do it become simple and you just laugh at it. But everything is hard when you don't know what to do or what going to happen.

His argument is worthless. Any guild/linkshell you join that has something on farm is going to be easy, this applies to any game. You're being carried. He's constantly trying to piss other people off, it's best to ignore him.

We can take your opinion fine. But much of what you're saying can be countered with fact. As an example, you said you got to 80 and breezed through Lich King Runs. First, Lich King isn't one of the hardest raids the game has had. Second, you never said WHEN you ran it either, the guild you were in could have had him on farm after they nerfed him.

You're basically mocking something based on very little information. So, no, you're not pissing us off, you're just making yourself out as a fool.

After all of this bickering you still don't understand that I want this to succeed but you just can't let go of that WoW stuff. It's ok you will do just fine trust me.

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Originally Posted by schism

LoL I didn't know I needed that much info for ya. Who cares it's ez mode either way you look at it. Im just telling you what I did and how long I took, I don't need to call ppl names and say that they are fools to do that tho. It's plain as day you will do anything to defend it so if you don't like what I say keep quiet, is that asking too much?

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I think you are 100% right Elexia.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

The funny thing is, XP is so easy to get in MMOs today that there's far worse death penalties people are ok with, which is ironic and sad at the same time.

But that's your new age MMORPG gamer for you, never thinking.

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Has nothing to do with WoW. WoW could never have been brought up and it would still go back and forth like this. It's more with the way you argue your opinion. "This is trash because of this" When "this" is only a tiny tiny part of the game, and not representative of it on the whole.

Secondly, I didn't call you a fool, I said you're just making yourself look like one. Also "keep quiet" is the equivalent to "shut up" so I stand by my statement. Oh, there's more examples I can dig up on that attitude if you like.

Well lets just agree to disagree and move on. We are here because of one game so I'll leave it at that.

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Originally Posted by schism

In WoW I got to lvl 80 in a week lol. Was clearing content fast enuff to laugh at. Yes I knew some ppl in a really good guild but thats beside the point. I was clearing endgame including Lich King wins at a pace it was laughable to say the least. I definetly don't want another experience like that. You don't feel any accomplishment happening just sayin.

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Link me your character. WOW armory has still kept all of my characters since I stopped playing years ago.

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Originally Posted by fusional

how would you demonstrate that you have experience and understanding of a game without providing context and evidence? i'm all ears.

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Besides as pointed below it being a general comment...

Why do you use someones raiding history as a measuring stick of their accomplishments and skill as a gamer? It's about as arbitrary as throwing darts at a wall, for all we know a person could have carried a group of morons through a hectic situation, or be a braindead sod who got carried himself.

It just seems like a odd measuring stick to me, why not just speak instead of strutting abbout what you have done in previous games to try and "Back up" your points about a different game.

What is this? The billionth thread?

You want exp loss with death? You're wrong. You can say that you're right but you're not. You're just wrong. Completely incorrect about how the MMO industry has evolved and changed gaming over the years.

Righty, then. I'm out.

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Originally Posted by yoshikwalla

What is this? The billionth thread?

You want exp loss with death? You're wrong. You can say that you're right but you're not. You're just wrong. Completely incorrect about how the MMO industry has evolved and changed gaming over the years.

Righty, then. I'm out.

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Opinions are now facts.

Apparently.

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Originally Posted by yoshikwalla

What is this? The billionth thread?

You want exp loss with death? You're wrong. You can say that you're right but you're not. You're just wrong. Completely incorrect about how the MMO industry has evolved and changed gaming over the years.

Righty, then. I'm out.

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Evolution is just adaptation to the world around you. It doesn't make it better or worse, right or wrong. Just different. Something made to appeal to a wider market. There's no moral/ethical ambiguity.

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Originally Posted by EinSoFZ

Opinions are now facts.

Apparently.

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See? You get the point. :B