Cartoony style graphics....

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Originally Posted by Pyretta_Blaze

The image http://i.imgur.com/EXoQM.jpg looks pretty bad. Like a 15 year old game... I expect a Final Fantasy game released in 2012/2013 to look better than that.

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I love the exaggeration on this, and by that I mean you are extremely frustrating, sir. 15 year old game? That was 1997, have any idea what games looked like back then? Obviously you don't but let me give you a hint.

http://tinyurl.com/c47xo2k

A Realm Reborn isn't done yet, hell the engine isn't even done yet, I would expect someone with common sense to understand that since it's currently in Alpha stages.

/endrage

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Originally Posted by Saieno

http://tinyurl.com/c47xo2k

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THIS IS REALISTIC!! THIS IS WHAT FFXIV SHOULD LOOK LIKE!

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... :D

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Originally Posted by Saieno

I love the exaggeration on this, and by that I mean you are extremely frustrating, sir. 15 year old game? That was 1997, have any idea what games looked like back then? Obviously you don't but let me give you a hint.

http://tinyurl.com/c47xo2k

A Realm Reborn isn't done yet, hell the engine isn't even done yet, I would expect someone with common sense to understand that since it's currently in Alpha stages.

/endrage

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Its more along the lines of, they are afraid 2010 will happen all over again.. yet Graphics wasn't even a problem. C/P assets (Majorly), Content, Server out of wack. Those things were really main issues back then.

So you say exaggeration...then you ignore the fact she was exaggerating purposefully...ok. The engine is done or that would mean there's no hope of ARR even for 2013.

ONCE again, stopped reading after "Hello, Rokien here again."

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Originally Posted by Saieno

I love the exaggeration on this, and by that I mean you are extremely frustrating, sir. 15 year old game? That was 1997, have any idea what games looked like back then? Obviously you don't but let me give you a hint.

http://tinyurl.com/c47xo2k

A Realm Reborn isn't done yet, hell the engine isn't even done yet, I would expect someone with common sense to understand that since it's currently in Alpha stages.

/endrage

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Sorry, I should have said 11 years...

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Originally Posted by shanvhere

ONCE again, stopped reading after "Hello, Rokien here again."

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Then don't post and bump the thread...

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Originally Posted by shanvhere

ONCE again, stopped reading after "Hello, Rokien here again."

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Yet you replied. Really?

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Originally Posted by Saieno

You're funny, nothing you say makes any sense. How would I possibly know they are exaggerating on purpose when they go on to say they expect a game in 2012 to look better? That means they have looked at the image and made a comparison to games in 2012 and games throughout the last two decades to best match it with games from 1997.

Also, Yoshida has said many times that the engine isn't done, that doesn't mean that the engine is non-existant just that they have much more work to do. The engine still needs to be optimized, shaders implemented, and who knows what else they have to do. Re-purposing the core of the Luminous Studio engine isn't a small feat, they graphics are going to improve as we near release for both PC and PS3. And even then the engine is very scaleable with graphics that can improve beyond what we are seeing now, however as I said the Luminous Studio engine is still a work in progress.

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I know a lot the framework is based off the luminous engine but didnt they say they have only taken parts of it?

The shaders are going to really help the clothes/armors (if they are missing, assuming they are since its noticeable).

Yoshida's exact words you could think of them as siblings due to borrowing of features in a sense.

http://static2.finalfantasyxiv.com/a...UIl38CRvPU.jpg

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Originally Posted by Enyce

http://static2.finalfantasyxiv.com/a...UIl38CRvPU.jpg

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Because you guys don't stop trolling

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Yoshida's exact words you could think of them as siblings due to borrowing of features in a sense.

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Yes because what they are doing with A Realm Reborn doesn't use the full potential of Luminous Studio, just the core. Yoshida said that if A Realm Reborn were to use the full potential of Luminous Studio it would need to skip a generation of consoles and run on PlayStation 5.

I'm not going to defend the look on the random chance that it will be good by release. No more excuses.
Trailers are made to show it off after all, and with the game edging closer and closer to release, the atmospheric future of the game is uncertain.

And the idea that gameplay being more important than visuals is true. But the visual direction you take should complement the world you've created. It needs to capture the imagination and excite the player, and right now, it ain't looking so hot. Especially with that stuttering in the trailer for the version that's supposed to run smoother.

Sad to say I get less and less pumped about this game with every update and I'm not sure how long I'll play after its release. I'll give it a shot, but beyond that, I'm just not sure.

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Originally Posted by Saieno

Yes because what they are doing with A Realm Reborn doesn't use the full potential of Luminous Studio, just the core. Yoshida said that if A Realm Reborn were to use the full potential of Luminous Studio it would need to skip a generation of consoles and run on PlayStation 5.

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naa pretty sure it's because it's not finished and it would delay the game even further to wait for the engine to finish. I'm pretty sure they will be using it at the end of ps3 and ps4

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Originally Posted by Saieno

Yes because what they are doing with A Realm Reborn doesn't use the full potential of Luminous Studio, just the core. Yoshida said that if A Realm Reborn were to use the full potential of Luminous Studio it would need to skip a generation of consoles and run on PlayStation 5.

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The Luminous Engine isnt ready, they are trying to make an engine in record time so they dont have time to finish the Luminous.

Even if you (general term) dont like the changes it is pretty amazing how fast they are retooling the game.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

I'm not going to defend the look on the random chance that it will be good by release. No more excuses.
Trailers are made to show it off after all, and with the game edging closer and closer to release, the atmospheric future of the game is uncertain.

And the idea that gameplay being more important than visuals is true. But the visual direction you take should complement the world you've created. It needs to capture the imagination and excite the player, and right now, it ain't looking so hot. Especially with that stuttering in the trailer for the version that's supposed to run smoother.

Sad to say I get less and less pumped about this game with every update and I'm not sure how long I'll play after its release. I'll give it a shot, but beyond that, I'm just not sure.

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It really seems this game has no solid direction on what it's trying to be. It feels like this game is trying to be everything else.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

It really seems this game has no solid direction on what it's trying to be. It feels like this game is trying to be everything else.

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They are trying to work too fast and too efficiently (making compromises) I think (there is a lot of pressure on them). Though people may hate it, I'd suggest they not close the servers down but maintain an on the side alpha testing server and let players continue to pay them (so they dont go broke or rush even harder and make more sacrifices to get it out).

I think they are on the right track they just need to make sure they dont lose any carts on the way out the door.

El meo wuz here

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Originally Posted by Kiote

Please tell me this is a joke. This looks awful. Like horribly horribly awful. Like Star Wars: Clone Wars awful..

If this game ever looks like this, I will actually quit.

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I highly doubt it is going to look like that, especially when Yoshi-P said it was going to look almost identical to the PC version at a distance and then only up close will you see the difference, it will be on scale of the low res pc, and that looks nothing like the low res PC version. That looks like a completely different photoshop version of another game. I won't believe it looks anything like that until I see it with my own two eyes.

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Originally Posted by Dargoth_Draconia

I highly doubt it is going to look like that, especially when Yoshi-P said it was going to look almost identical to the PC version at a distance and then only up close will you see the difference, it will be on scale of the low res pc, and that looks nothing like the low res PC version. That looks like a completely different photoshop version of another game. I won't believe it looks anything like that until I see it with my own two eyes.

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you just did see it with your own eyes.... -.-


And this is what i've been talking about, you blind followers of yoshi. "IT'S ONLY ALPHA WAIT TILL YOU PLAY IT, IT WILL BE BETTER! IT CANT LOOK LIKE THAT! ; ;"

Most of you people are in denial...

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Originally Posted by Rokien

you just did see it with your own eyes.... -.-


And this is what i've been talking about, you blind followers of yoshi. "IT'S ONLY ALPHA WAIT TILL YOU PLAY IT, IT WILL BE BETTER! IT CANT LOOK LIKE THAT! ; ;"

Most of you people are in denial...

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He meant in game :P lol

It does indeed have a photoshopped feel. I felt like that was what the very very very first screenshot of 2.0 was like lol.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

He meant in game :P lol

It does indeed have a photoshopped feel. I felt like that was what the very very very first screenshot of 2.0 was like lol.

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I know lol, I was just pointing out its not going to change much, if at all any.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

you just did see it with your own eyes.... -.-


And this is what i've been talking about, you blind followers of yoshi. "IT'S ONLY ALPHA WAIT TILL YOU PLAY IT, IT WILL BE BETTER! IT CANT LOOK LIKE THAT! ; ;"

Most of you people are in denial...

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Sure it can, Alpha/Beta Metamorphosis sure you can see major difference in the FFXIV 1.0!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-99sSSS3eP4

there is no difference in the models.........

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Originally Posted by Rokien

there is no difference in the models.........

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And yet your calling people Blind XD. Look closely and you see the difference my friend

( Lighting changed, You can actually see the creases in the concrete, Color Enhancement)

FFXIV 2.0 can do the same thing, just you know.. people love to complain before these "Changes" take an effect.

Graphics wise ( even though its a downgrade) I still feel there's nothing wrong with the graphics, could it improve? Certainly.

What I'm more worried about is Content/Gameplay

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Originally Posted by Starlord

And yet your calling people Blind XD. Look closely and you see the difference my friend

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I could see the difference it's like looking at standard def compared to high def there was more detail in the beta than there was alpha and Rokien you can take that information to the bank since I worked with Televisions and had to know this and walk my customers through initial setups on their philips Hd lcd tv's so i've seen this type of thing before.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

You don't have to play something to know what it looks like -.-

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Yes and no, I can take an image and get a great idea of how the game will look. But until you actually have a game running on hardware infront of your very eyes you'll never be able to actually see the game. I've seen plenty of games that looked amazing in screenshots but looked like shit running on my pc of ps2 or what ever. and vice versa.

As for this, I imagine it may be ps3 settings, or it could be that they put out the wrong video which seems to be the case and we'll find out come new video release. Also anyone who thinks the limit break trailer was CG'd is an idiot.

I've played plenty of pc games where I can downscale it down to virtually cartoon settings to make it run, and then upscale it to super high realistic settings.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

And yet your calling people Blind XD. Look closely and you see the difference my friend

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The difference between them is lighting and shaders, which I'm sure will be exactly the same with ARR. What Rokien is referring to is that the in game models didn't change at all.

He's right.

Personally, the only thing that I see off in that video for TGS is that the shaders seem to be missing.

I really wish they would release a video WITH all the bells and whistles so people's minds could be put at ease (including my own). I'm sure they would if they could. They probably just can't right now.

^ what he said lol

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Originally Posted by Ninja-Mage

Yes and no, I can take an image and get a great idea of how the game will look. But until you actually have a game running on hardware infront of your very eyes you'll never be able to actually see the game. I've seen plenty of games that looked amazing in screenshots but looked like shit running on my pc of ps2 or what ever. and vice versa.

As for this, I imagine it may be ps3 settings, or it could be that they put out the wrong video which seems to be the case and we'll find out come new video release. Also anyone who thinks the limit break trailer was CG'd is an idiot.

I've played plenty of pc games where I can downscale it down to virtually cartoon settings to make it run, and then upscale it to super high realistic settings.

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If you are referring to me mentioning photoshop I was referring to the crappy image that was released recently - that looks worse then the game looks even right now. So I was saying it looks like a what the very first images of closed alpha 2.0 would look like if we ever got them.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

I really wish they would release a video WITH all the bells and whistles so people's minds could be put at ease (including my own). I'm sure they would if they could. They probably just can't right now.

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Quoted because I like it lol.

The trailer is back up.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSohO...ature=youtu.be

I like how the cg shows a realistic portrayal while the game does not.

SW:CW
http://images.teamsugar.com/files/up...WarsScreen.jpg

FFXIV:ARR
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/img/sc...UB_0901_04.jpg

Look at the Shadows cast by the light notice how smooth they look that's cell shading at work, now look at area's that haven't been cast by the light of the WS, thats not smooth. Dynamic lights are simply too resourceful so they used shading techniques.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

If you are referring to me mentioning photoshop I was referring to the crappy image that was released recently - that looks worse then the game looks even right now. So I was saying it looks like a what the very first images of closed alpha 2.0 would look like if we ever got them.





Quoted because I like it lol.

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Nah it was someone much earlier in the thread (not sure why I read through all of it), they said something like it had to of been entirely CG'd. Granted they could have meant pre-rendered, but even then you can see slight frame rate wobbles in that trailer that are a clear indicator of real time graphics.

The trailer definitely had some major frame rate issues. I'm curious who would give the okay on this? Do I think the final game will look like that, no. But i'm really curious who they have directing the Advertisement side of things.

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Originally Posted by Ninja-Mage

The trailer definitely had some major frame rate issues. I'm curious who would give the okay on this? Do I think the final game will look like that, no. But i'm really curious who they have directing the Advertisement side of things.

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I would assume it is because everyone was clamouring for in game footage to "believe" in XIV 2.0 and because they have to have something to show at these conventions.

I don't know. I think in SE's defense, our expectations of the alpha stuff is much higher than normal due to XIV's circumstances.

I will say this though: I realize not everyone will agree, but I think the environment in that video and others is absolutely stunning and if the character models look anything like that after all the industry tricks and technology is applied then we're all going to be very happy with the end results.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

I would assume it is because everyone was clamouring for in game footage to "believe" in XIV 2.0 and because they have to have something to show at these conventions.

I don't know. I think in SE's defense, our expectations of the alpha stuff is much higher than normal due to XIV's circumstances.

I will say this though: I realize not everyone will agree, but I think the environment in that video and others is absolutely stunning and if the character models look anything like that after all the industry tricks and technology is applied then we're all going to be very happy with the end results.

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Yes at the end of the day we do all have to realize Alpha's tend to look like shit. There is that video of how the game looked going from alpha to beta way back when, and it was a huge difference. Alpha tests are generally to see how the game runs under server stress. Beta's are intended more for running the game on full steam and seeing what breaks.

As long as they confirm those character models are either Low PC or PS3 settings then I'm good.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

As long as they confirm those character models are either Low PC or PS3 settings then I'm good.

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Looks like it may have affected the chocobos as well.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

As long as they confirm those character models are either Low PC or PS3 settings then I'm good.

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i would say the textures are @ medium and background textures are @ low.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

As long as they confirm those character models are either Low PC or PS3 settings then I'm good.

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I don't think you will see much of a difference, if you remember yoshi saying the graphics will be like High pc graphics when zoomed in close of you are playing on a lesser system/ps3. You can also look at the screenshots you can see they are the same. Just none of them are zoomed in close enough for you to see.