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08-08-2023, 10:51 AM
Absimiliard

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08-08-2023, 11:26 AM
Koros

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did this get linked on some housing twitter drama thread/discord lmao
08-08-2023, 11:28 AM
AwesomeJr44

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Originally Posted by Koros

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did this get linked on some housing twitter drama thread/discord lmao

Archeron got the rest of his FC to roll up lmao
08-08-2023, 06:28 PM
Reddyo

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Originally Posted by Koros

Views: 92,824

did this get linked on some housing twitter drama thread/discord lmao

Possibly, it got like 40-50k views overnight lol. Either way, I am happy - the issue is on the light now :3
08-08-2023, 06:37 PM
JulyRiel

My two cents on the issue:

- To me anyone that multiowns plots, is suspicious of selling Gil for real money. No proof, but suspicion is deffo there, even if multiowning itself is not against ToS.
- Devs don't care about people selling Gil for real money. And that is because these sellers keep a whole section of the game alive and that is clubbing with thousands of people attending every night. Each big venue to run needs 10-15m Gil per opening and there's no way for an owner to get this kind of Gil unless they own dozens of subs or buy Gil for real money. If they go after Gil sellers, a whole section of the game will collapse overnight.
- Other Gil buyers are gamba addicts. I have witnessed hundrends of thousands of Gil changing hands over a gamba table every night.
- People post about empty wards as an excuse to multiowning. Well, there's also the other side of the coin. On my server (Spriggan) people own whole wards while the bids on a Medium some months ago were more than 400.
- There's no other activity in the game than venue support that needs this kind of Gil. The root of the issue is there and I see no solution to it.
-The ethical would be 1 FC and one private plot per account. You want a second FC plot? Pay a second subscription.
08-08-2023, 07:47 PM
Stormpeaks

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To me anyone that multiowns plots, is suspicious of selling Gil for real money. No proof, but suspicion is deffo there, even if multiowning itself is not against ToS.

"suspicion" based on what ? please elaborate

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Devs don't care about people selling Gil for real money. And that is because these sellers keep a whole section of the game alive and that is clubbing with thousands of people attending every night. Each big venue to run needs 10-15m Gil per opening and there's no way for an owner to get this kind of Gil unless they own dozens of subs or buy Gil for real money. If they go after Gil sellers, a whole section of the game will collapse overnight.

Now we are mixing in venue owners and also multiowners ? Yall really will go as far as possible huh just to find reasons to talk bad about people multiowning

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Other Gil buyers are gamba addicts. I have witnessed hundrends of thousands of Gil changing hands over a gamba table every night.

You're telling me people gamble in a video game, an MMORPG too ? No way

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People post about empty wards as an excuse to multiowning. Well, there's also the other side of the coin. On my server (Spriggan) people own whole wards while the bids on a Medium some months ago were more than 400.

Yeah I call lies on that one, but good attempt nonetheless, I've been following housing pretty closely, and I am certain that no mediums reached that much. In fact, a medium that was up in this round, LB5, a very cozy LB medium, had 16 bids on it in FC ward.

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There's no other activity in the game than venue support that needs this kind of Gil. The root of the issue is there and I see no solution to it.

Once again, if you dont multiown, it's better to not say anything or at least ask about how it works, I dont do savage raiding, I dont talk about savage raiding.

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The ethical would be 1 FC and one private plot per account. You want a second FC plot? Pay a second subscription.

Once again (x2), the fact you think multiowning can be done on a single account shows you are completely clueless.

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Originally Posted by Reddyo

Possibly, it got like 40-50k views overnight lol. Either way, I am happy - the issue is on the light now :3

As for our usual troll, the whole multiowning thing has been in the game since housing was introduced, you aint gonna achieve anything, but good luck in your crusade bud
08-08-2023, 07:57 PM
JulyRiel

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

"suspicion" based on what ? please elaborate

Now we are mixing in venue owners and also multiowners ? Yall really will go as far as possible huh just to find reasons to talk bad about people multiowning

You're telling me people gamble in a video game, an MMORPG too ? No way

Yeah I call lies on that one, but good attempt nonetheless, I've been following housing pretty closely, and I am certain that no mediums reached that much. In fact, a medium that was up in this round, LB16, a very cozy LB medium, had 16 bids on it in FC ward.

Once again, if you dont multiown, it's better to not say anything or at least ask about how it works, I dont do savage raiding, I dont talk about savage raiding.

Once again (x2), the fact you think multiowning can be done on a single account shows you are completely clueless.

As for our usual troll, the whole multiowning thing has been in the game since housing was introduced, you aint gonna achieve anything, but good luck in your crusade bud

I have more clue about what's going on in Eorzea than you will ever have. Dont give to me the "you are clueless" cr@p.

You seem to have forgotten the sleepless people savage clicking for days over a goblet small for that random window that would allow them to gain the plot while at the same time others owned whole wards.

And if you haven't seen 400+ bids on a medium, that means you have joined Eorzea quite recently.
08-08-2023, 08:00 PM
Stormpeaks

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Originally Posted by JulyRiel

I have more clue about what's going on in Eorzea than you will ever have. Dont give to me the "you are clueless" cr@p.

You seem to have forgotten the sleepless people savage clicking for days over a goblet small for that random window that would allow them to gain the plot while at the same time others owned whole wards.

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Also I havent forgotten dont you worry, I have both bad memories and good memories from it.
08-08-2023, 08:46 PM
WinglessSeraphim

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Originally Posted by JulyRiel

And if you haven't seen 400+ bids on a medium, that means you have joined Eorzea quite recently.

400 plus bids on... Spriggan? Which ward and plot, out of curiosity.
08-08-2023, 08:46 PM
JulyRiel

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Now we are mixing in venue owners and also multiowners ? Yall really will go as far as possible huh just to find reasons to talk bad about people multiowning

Once again (x2), the fact you think multiowning can be done on a single account shows you are completely clueless.

I, myself own more than one FCs in one account and along with my partner we own a good amount of subs even if I'm not considered a "multiowner". But I can see the potential of it. Making far more gil with just 16 subs than any activity in Eorzea demands. Except one.
I'm also owner of several venues, I have been asked to pay 60m gil per week from people to manage them (that is 10-15m per opening). I couldn't afford it but there are people that do. I know how much gil/hour staff is getting paid from the crier to the dj, I know several "sponsors" who throw tenths of millions left and right to show off, I know multiowners involved in all this, personally. And I know very well that there are only 3 ways to fund a project like this. Either to have a zillion subs, a sponsor who owns a zillion subs or buys Gil, or buy Gil yourself. So, yes. Everything is interconnected. Unless you care to elaborate where else would someone spend billions of amassed Gil.
08-08-2023, 08:50 PM
Stormpeaks

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Originally Posted by JulyRiel

I, myself own more than one FCs in one account and along with my partner we own a good amount of subs even if I'm not considered a "multiowner". But I can see the potential of it. Making far more gil with just 16 subs than any activity in Eorzea demands. Except one.
I'm also owner of several venues, I have been asked to pay 60m gil per week from people to manage them (that is 10-15m per opening). I couldn't afford it but there are people that do. I know how much gil/hour staff is getting paid from the crier to the dj, I know several "sponsors" who throw tenths of millions left and right to show off, I know multiowners involved in all this, personally. And I know very well that there are only 3 ways to fund a project like this. Either to have a zillion subs, a sponsor who owns a zillion subs or buys Gil, or buy Gil yourself. So, yes. Everything is interconnected. Unless you care to elaborate where else would someone spend billions of amassed Gil.

I'd like it if you could respond to this as well please

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Originally Posted by WinglessSeraphim

400 plus bids on... Spriggan? Which ward and plot, out of curiosity.

I was on Spriggan for months before moving to phantom and then sagi, I have been doing housing for over 2 years at this point, be it under placard or lottery, and under lottery I havent seen a single medium go to over 400 bids, I'd be interested to know what plot it is.

As for your post, submarines give a lot of gil, you said it yourself, personally I dont do venues so I cant talk about that topic, I know people that have venues though but I dont ask them what they do to get their gil, nor is it my problem to be fair, so I think it'd be unfair of me to give a response in that regard.
08-08-2023, 09:07 PM
JulyRiel

June '22 Lavender beds. The last free medium back then.
08-08-2023, 09:14 PM
Stormpeaks

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Originally Posted by JulyRiel

June '22 Lavender beds. The last free medium back then.

Which plot though ? LB11/41 ? If yes, and if that's also the only medium (if not the only plot available) then it could potentially make sense, but I really highly doubt it went that far, I had a spriggan friend who a few months ago got an LB41, there were 89 bids or so, so 400 seem very extreme, I'll give benefit of the doubt, but I really doubt it

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Ultimately it's pointless now but if you were standing at a placard for days on end at a time you were doing it wrong. There was a window that could be estimated based on when the plot went up considered "prime" hours. At most you'd need to spend 3-5h there and even that's generous.

Also this, if people spent their entire time camping plots all day and night long, it was on them, there was a thing called "prime time" which was 5 hours maximum, in which the percentage of the house selling was extremely high, it was a misconception that it could come up at "any time", the percentages outside of prime time were abysmal.
08-08-2023, 09:16 PM
LianaThorne

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Originally Posted by JulyRiel

I have more clue about what's going on in Eorzea than you will ever have. Dont give to me the "you are clueless" cr@p.

You seem to have forgotten the sleepless people savage clicking for days over a goblet small for that random window that would allow them to gain the plot while at the same time others owned whole wards.

And if you haven't seen 400+ bids on a medium, that means you have joined Eorzea quite recently.

Ultimately it's pointless now but if you were standing at a placard for days on end at a time you were doing it wrong. There was a window that could be estimated based on when the plot went up considered "prime" hours. At most you'd need to spend 3-5h there and even that's generous. The window was readily available in all housing related discord servers so it wasn't a secret tbh.

Not trying to defend the placard camping cause I'm glad that stress is gone but yeah lol.
08-08-2023, 09:18 PM
JulyRiel

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Which plot though ? LB11/41 ? If yes, and if that's also the only medium (if not the only plot available) then it could potentially make sense, but I really highly doubt it went that far, I had a spriggan friend who a few months ago got an LB41, there were 89 bids or so, so 400 seem very extreme, I'll give benefit of the doubt, but I really doubt it

Have you come to Eorzea after Sagi and Phatom opening?
08-08-2023, 09:20 PM
Stormpeaks

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Originally Posted by JulyRiel

Have you come to Eorzea after Sagi and Phatom opening?

I have not, as I mentioned I have been doing housing for over 2 years, actually 2 years and a half, I'm not saying I dont believe you, I am saying I highly doubt it, if you had told me 100 bids, that'd be a different story.
08-08-2023, 09:23 PM
LianaThorne

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Originally Posted by JulyRiel

June '22 Lavender beds. The last free medium back then.

If we're speaking about Spriggan specifically, just looking at Paissa shows the last medium sold was 16 bids. I could understand that an LB41 would have a lot of bids because of the overall value of that plot but I don't think it would be as high as 400 if normal numbers aren't hitting close to that.

Maybe back then it was a diff story but it seems much less now.
08-08-2023, 09:27 PM
WinglessSeraphim

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Originally Posted by JulyRiel

Have you come to Eorzea after Sagi and Phatom opening?

What's the relevance of someone's join date or not? You're obviously posting from an alt account. I also call BS on the 400 plus bids on a LB41 on Spriggan.

Back when Wards 25 to 30 opened up, the LB41 on the personal only ward, gained 7 bids. How do I know? Because I won the plot.

Another question, if you own multiple plots on one account but don't consider yourself a multi-owner, then what do you consider yourself? If you own more than one fc plot and personal plot per account, you're essentially a multi-owner. So therefore, by your argument, you're pretty suspicious too.
08-08-2023, 09:28 PM
JulyRiel

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Ultimately it's pointless now but if you were standing at a placard for days on end at a time you were doing it wrong. There was a window that could be estimated based on when the plot went up considered "prime" hours. At most you'd need to spend 3-5h there and even that's generous. The window was readily available in all housing related discord servers so it wasn't a secret tbh.

Not trying to defend the placard camping cause I'm glad that stress is gone but yeah lol.

5 hours each day clicking on a placard while others owned 30 plots. Big fun.
08-08-2023, 09:30 PM
Stormpeaks

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Originally Posted by JulyRiel

5 hours each day clicking on a placard while others owned 30 plots. Big fun.

Well you had the chance to do that, you didnt want to put in the effort to do it, that's on you.

The more effort you put in, the more you get, same rules in the game as IRL.

Also as the other poster mentioned

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Originally Posted by WinglessSeraphim

What's the relevance of someone's join date or not? You're obviously posting from an alt account. I also call BS on the 400 plus bids on a LB41 on Spriggan.

Back when Wards 25 to 30 opened up, the LB41 on the personal only ward, gained 7 bids. How do I know? Because I won the plot.

Another question, if you own multiple plots on one account but don't consider yourself a multi-owner, then what do you consider yourself? If you own more than one fc plot and personal plot per account, you're essentially a multi-owner. So therefore, by your argument, you're pretty suspicious too.

I also call lies on 400 bids on an LB41 on Spriggan, I myself bid on an LB41 while it was lottery when I was on Spriggan and it had about 70 bids.
08-08-2023, 09:32 PM
JulyRiel

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Originally Posted by WinglessSeraphim

What's the relevance of someone's join date or not? You're obviously posting from an alt account. I also call BS on the 400 plus bids on a LB41 on Spriggan.

Back when Wards 25 to 30 opened up, the LB41 on the personal only ward, gained 7 bids. How do I know? Because I won the plot.

Read first and then answer. I never spoke of plot 41 smart @ss. And the relevance of when joined Eorzea is huge cause it means you may not have experienced the housing savage after wow refugees flooded Eorzea, before Sagi and Phantom opening brought some sort of relief, even temporarily.
08-08-2023, 09:32 PM
LianaThorne

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Originally Posted by JulyRiel

5 hours each day clicking on a placard while others owned 30 plots. Big fun.

The people who owned more than one plot when that system was around were mainly those who were grandfathered in/purchased their housing back when it was first opened and less in demand + you could just walk up and buy it. If Square didn't see it fit to remove them then it's kind of an is what it is situation.
08-08-2023, 09:36 PM
WinglessSeraphim

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Originally Posted by JulyRiel

Read first and then answer. I never spoke of plot 41 smart @ss. And the relevance of when joined Eorzea is huge cause it means you may not have experienced the housing savage after wow refugees flooded Eorzea, before Sagi and Phantom opening brought some sort of relief, even temporarily.

Ok. So I made a mistake on what plot but you were not specific.

You also failed to answer my other question and deflected by insulting me by bypassing the swearing filter. Classy.
08-08-2023, 09:38 PM
JulyRiel

I'm sure you havent witnessed a single free Medium in a whole server. So stop talking about things you have not seen.
08-08-2023, 09:38 PM
Stormpeaks

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Originally Posted by JulyRiel

I'm sure you havent witnessed a single free Medium in a whole server. So stop talking about things you have not seen.

Yes I'm totally new at housing, please teach me the way
08-08-2023, 09:39 PM
JulyRiel

The only question that needs an answer on this thread is "Where can someone spend BILLIONS of amassed Gil".
08-08-2023, 09:39 PM
Stormpeaks

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Originally Posted by JulyRiel

The only question that needs an answer on this thread is "Where can someone spend BILLIONS of amassed Gil".

So you lied and you're now changing the topic, interesting one there bud

caught in 4k eh ?
08-08-2023, 09:41 PM
WinglessSeraphim

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Originally Posted by JulyRiel

The only question that needs an answer on this thread is "Where can someone spend BILLIONS of amassed Gil".

No, actually, the whole thread was posted because *someone* was talking about RMT and bots and multiple accounts. So then a discussion happens, but instead of having a healthy debate, *someone* decides to create a bunch of alts to bring on a bunch of misinformation.
08-08-2023, 09:43 PM
JulyRiel

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

So you lied and you're now changing the topic, interesting one there bud

caught in 4k eh ?

Third time you avoid to answer this question, which is my answer to yours about "based suspicions"
08-08-2023, 09:46 PM
Yodada

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Originally Posted by JulyRiel

My two cents on the issue:
On my server (Spriggan) people own whole wards while the bids on a Medium some months ago were more than 400.

As a fan of decorating houses myself. I would rather take this specific ward you are talking about instead of the others in the same area from new home owners who are either clueless about decorating, too poor after buying it or let it sit empty there after they got what the wanted to flex around Limsa and are not interested in decorating.
08-08-2023, 09:46 PM
Stormpeaks

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Originally Posted by JulyRiel

Third time you avoid the answer this question, which is my answer to yours about "based suspicions"

When you start to lie to make a point, you dont have a point, which is exactly what you did.

Have a good one.

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Originally Posted by Yodada

As a fan of decorating houses myself. I would rather take this specific ward you are talking about instead of the others in the same area from new home owners who are either clueless about decorating, too poor after buying it or let it sit empty there after they got what the wanted to flex around Limsa and are not interested in decorating.

This tbh, a lot of people have absolutely terrible taste as well, paissa houses, carbuncles,gingerbreads,chocobo.. ruining entire neighborhoods for everyone that tries to make their house look good and fitting to the theme.
08-08-2023, 09:49 PM
LianaThorne

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Originally Posted by JulyRiel

I'm sure you havent witnessed a single free Medium in a whole server. So stop talking about things you have not seen.

Dynamis. My private medium sat without bids for two weeks before I bought it as the only bid.
08-08-2023, 09:56 PM
WinglessSeraphim

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

This tbh, a lot of people have absolutely terrible taste as well, gingerbreads,.. ruining entire neighborhoods for everyone that tries to make their house look good and fitting to the theme.

No need to get mean. I love those walls.
08-08-2023, 09:57 PM
JulyRiel

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Dynamis. My private medium sat without bids for two weeks before I bought it as the only bid.

And you have the illusion that this was always the case...
08-08-2023, 10:03 PM
JulyRiel

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Originally Posted by SiSenor

The last personal medium house on exca is currently sitting at 327 bids lol lets see how this goes

Some facts seem alien to newcomers....300 bids on a medium? Impossible! 400? No way!

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...g-On-Your-Plot
08-08-2023, 10:05 PM
LianaThorne

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Originally Posted by JulyRiel

And you have the illusion that this was always the case...

I'm aware it wasn't and isn't. I did come from Aether. I didn't want to keep dealing with it though so I moved as soon as Dynamis opened and now I have a large FC and a private medium. Got both with 0 competition and can DC hop to see my friends.
08-08-2023, 10:07 PM
LianaThorne

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Originally Posted by JulyRiel

Some facts seem alien to newcomers....300 bids on a medium? Impossible! 400? Lies!

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...g-On-Your-Plot

Why are you quoting year old posts instead of presenting current plot bid numbers?
08-08-2023, 10:09 PM
Stormpeaks

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Originally Posted by JulyRiel

Some facts seem alien to newcomers....300 bids on a medium? Impossible! 400? No way!

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...g-On-Your-Plot

Except that's NA, you're implying there were 400+ on EU.

Once again, good attempt.

Also this was over a year ago.
08-08-2023, 10:12 PM
JulyRiel

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Except that's NA, you're implying there were 400+ on EU.

Once again, good attempt.

Also this was over a year ago.

If you read my posts before rushing out to answer you'd see that I initially wrote "June '22 Lavender Beds, last medium on Spriggan"
08-08-2023, 10:22 PM
Stormpeaks

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Originally Posted by JulyRiel

If you read my posts before rushing out to answer you'd see that I initially wrote "June '22 Lavender Beds, last medium on Spriggan"

Yes lets compare EU's bidding phases to NA's bidding phases because both are totally the same lmao /s

at this point you have to be trolling, especially since you said it's not lb11/41, you are literally trolling (and lying).

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