The Men FFXIV Needs

My pet peeve with Viera is their beards look like sharpie doodles added at the last second and don't even match the hairline. It annoys me more than it should

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Originally Posted by Allegor

My pet peeve with Viera is their beards look like sharpie doodles added at the last second and don't even match the hairline. It annoys me more than it should

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LOL! I have joked about male viera facial hair quite often over Discord. It doesn't look right AT ALL. I don't even know what SE was going for there.

When anyone else sees the title of this thread do they also want a 'Men of FFXIV' calender that has the likes of Hein, Aymeric, Gra, Thancred ect all in handsom/sexy poses?

Eh, you get my upvote for highlander eyebrows alone, OP.

Don't feel especially well placed to comment on much else, preferences are just that and it's fair to ask for stuff. :)

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Originally Posted by Hurlstone

When anyone else sees the title of this thread do they also want a 'Men of FFXIV' calender that has the likes of Hein, Aymeric, Gra, Thancred ect all in handsom/sexy poses?

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As long as we get a month of them dressed as firemen I'm content.

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Originally Posted by Hurlstone

When anyone else sees the title of this thread do they also want a 'Men of FFXIV' calender that has the likes of Hein, Aymeric, Gra, Thancred ect all in handsom/sexy poses?

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Magnai should be the February photo.

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Originally Posted by Juri_Licious

Meanwhile I want men like this.

https://i.imgur.com/H2X7RYt.png

Viera and Miqote men have too masculine chests. Need more diversity in the male characters.

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Already exist in game.

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Originally Posted by Hurlstone

When anyone else sees the title of this thread do they also want a 'Men of FFXIV' calender that has the likes of Hein, Aymeric, Gra, Thancred ect all in handsom/sexy poses?

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Absolutely.

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Originally Posted by Hurlstone

When anyone else sees the title of this thread do they also want a 'Men of FFXIV' calender that has the likes of Hein, Aymeric, Gra, Thancred ect all in handsom/sexy poses?

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Mister December is Urianger lying before a romantic fire on a bearskin and only a deck of cards hides what mother nature gave him while slightly smirking...

You all want a month dedicated to G'raha? "Gra" is G'raha, right? I hope that isn't the case.

I would like Hair Chest.. i am half a cat and don't even have a little on my chest T_T

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I don't really know what relevance the billboard has here, but I will say I have a pretty good idea what turns a lot of players away, or stops many from trying. At least in the west. It's the aesthetic. Lalafell is more of a meme within the community, from outside of the community, I will see more disdain for miqo'te or "catgirls" actually. People call this a "weeb" game, etc. etc. So this thread has a lot of merits, in that a lot of players, and potential players, in the west, do want more handsome, masculine options for the game. They also want armor more in the style of WoW, or I should rephrase: bulky, "cool", etc..

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I felt like the new savage armor was more in line with WoW's armor themes. I wondered if it was something they decided to do for the influx of new WoW players. I don't mind the armor, but I hope we're not going in this direction full-time.

As a female roe player, I am in constant suffering when the modelers spend 3 months perfecting every physics feature on catgirls and lalas but our hair literally clips through our breasts if they're too big and the blocky hip to shoulder ratio makes so many glamours look like they just took the model, enlarged it, and slapped it on a plank of wood. Even if they added any of this, they'd get no support whatsoever. Glamours would look subpar and I swear the only reason we even get Roegadyn NPCs most of the time is because it was an afterthought.

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Originally Posted by TofuPenguin

I felt like the new savage armor was more in line with WoW's armor themes. I wondered if it was something they decided to do for the influx of new WoW players. I don't mind the armor, but I hope we're not going in this direction full-time.

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I don't personally like the really bulky stuff, from WoW. They look very cartoonish to me (that is kind of the WoW aesthetic though). I know a certain amount of other players really like that aesthetic, like I had been saying. Some players said that the last PvP season's armor set (Archfiend) looked like something from WoW, like the Lich King. Supposedly.

I personally think a male character looks a lot nicer in well designed sets, both fantastical, and more "realistic", but not overly ridiculous. I do have quite a bias. I prefer more masculine and good looking male characters, in nicely accented and designed armors for the most part. If I could do art, I know I would have a lot of ideas I could show. Heavily exaggerated just isn't my cup of tea.

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Originally Posted by TheSuperior

As a female roe player, I am in constant suffering when the modelers spend 3 months perfecting every physics feature on catgirls and lalas but our hair literally clips through our breasts if they're too big and the blocky hip to shoulder ratio makes so many glamours look like they just took the model, enlarged it, and slapped it on a plank of wood. Even if they added any of this, they'd get no support whatsoever. Glamours would look subpar and I swear the only reason we even get Roegadyn NPCs most of the time is because it was an afterthought.

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I said it before and I'll say it again, Roegadyn aren't what people who like big races like, they're what people who don't like big races think people who like them like. Hrothgar are overall in a worst condition, but hey, at least I have a waistline now.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

I said it before and I'll say it again, Roegadyn aren't what people who like big races like, they're what people who don't like big races think people who like them like. Hrothgar are overall in a worst condition, but hey, at least I have a waistline now.

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That's a good way to put it. I like tall girls, I like their unconventional beauty, but I hate how limited my options are when I want to dress my WoL in something new and oops, the model at the chest is tearing apart like a mod someone whipped up.

Actual gear, the same quality as a gear mod. You know, the stuff that's supposed to be shoddy because it's a hobby work.

I wish the game had more masculine hairstyles, or that the unisex haircut they are adding would lean more toward something a man would wear.
I like ponytail, but the options they added recently really looks more like girl haircut.
I think it's great to propose unisex hairstyle, but they should had more variety to what gets added, even if it isn't really made for girls in mind.
Having more masculine hairstyles would also create more tomboyish options for female characters.

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Originally Posted by TheSuperior

As a female roe player, I am in constant suffering when the modelers spend 3 months perfecting every physics feature on catgirls and lalas but our hair literally clips through our breasts if they're too big and the blocky hip to shoulder ratio makes so many glamours look like they just took the model, enlarged it, and slapped it on a plank of wood. Even if they added any of this, they'd get no support whatsoever. Glamours would look subpar and I swear the only reason we even get Roegadyn NPCs most of the time is because it was an afterthought.

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I was a male Roe before going Hrothgar. I loved my Roegadyn. Making glamours for him was an absolute pain. I like to think it worked out because I got approached by Zepla once and she complimented my Machinist glam mid-stream (; _ ; thanks sis), but good bloody lord the experience is horrid. Do you guys have any idea how easily Roegadyn turn into Brunnhilde singing the opera when wearing any plate armour?! It's clear that Square treats Roegadyn like a meme race, when they really shouldn't.

Hrothgar at least can make more stuff work, but we're missing headgear anyway, and stuff clips through my mane. But I knew what I would get myself into when I chose to go lion at least. I was not expecting my waistline to be inexistant as a Roegadyn.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

I said it before and I'll say it again, Roegadyn aren't what people who like big races like, they're what people who don't like big races think people who like them like. Hrothgar are overall in a worst condition, but hey, at least I have a waistline now.

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Yee, Roegadyn are too stereotypical for their own good. They're too easily memed and often are picked for caricatures. They're what people think men who are into bara like about bara.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

I was a male Roe before going Hrothgar. I loved my Roegadyn. Making glamours for him was an absolute pain. I like to think it worked out because I got approached by Zepla once and she complimented my Machinist glam mid-stream (; _ ; thanks sis), but good bloody lord the experience is horrid. Do you guys have any idea how easily Roegadyn turn into Brunnhilde singing the opera when wearing any plate armour?! It's clear that Square treats Roegadyn like a meme race, when they really shouldn't.

Hrothgar at least can make more stuff work, but we're missing headgear anyway, and stuff clips through my mane. But I knew what I would get myself into when I chose to go lion at least. I was not expecting my waistline to be inexistant as a Roegadyn.



Yee, Roegadyn are too stereotypical for their own good. They're too easily memed and often are picked for caricatures. They're what people think men who are into bara like about bara.

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And Hrothgar are also memed being the furry large bara cat daddies you constantly see online. I still prefer roes over hroth as they at least dont hunch over.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

And Hrothgar are also memed being the furry large bara cat daddies you constantly see online. I still prefer roes over hroth as they at least dont hunch over.

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Not as much :p

Especially not in-game. Hrothgar NPCs are usually portrayed as either really cute, stern or valorous. Roegadyn are memed way too often, even now. Proof? Try our emotes, you'll see.

Try saying that when we have something like Mr. Face as a Hrothgar.

also, why do you think we keep asking Square to remove the hunchback, believe me, not even we like looking like we're constipated all the time...

Square should honestly look into it, since a lot of people have already manifested their displeasure at the hunch. At least make it a toggleable option. (Yes, it's edited >.> Atelier has the original one anyway, so it's not like I'm hiding what I wrote, just that I know people will jump on this and the mods aren't in the mood to read through the lines).

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

I was a male Roe before going Hrothgar. I loved my Roegadyn. Making glamours for him was an absolute pain. I like to think it worked out because I got approached by Zepla once and she complimented my Machinist glam mid-stream (; _ ; thanks sis), but good bloody lord the experience is horrid. Do you guys have any idea how easily Roegadyn turn into Brunnhilde singing the opera when wearing any plate armour?! It's clear that Square treats Roegadyn like a meme race, when they really shouldn't.

Hrothgar at least can make more stuff work, but we're missing headgear anyway, and stuff clips through my mane. But I knew what I would get myself into when I chose to go lion at least. I was not expecting my waistline to be inexistant as a Roegadyn.

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Frankly, a lot of male roe players treat their race as a meme race, from what I've seen. More players I've seen who want a more serious, masculine, character will play highlander or au ra instead, and if they don't like those options: midlander. I'd say the majority of the time I see a male roe, they are in some joke outfit, like with bright metallic dyes, a moogle head, paws, etc. With hrothgar, I see a bit less of that, but I do see a lot of.. other outfits, that I probably shouldn't go into too much detail on the forums.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Frankly, a lot of male roe players treat their race as a meme race, from what I've seen. More players I've seen who want a more serious, masculine, character will play highlander or au ra instead, and if they don't like those options: midlander. I'd say the majority of the time I see a male roe, they are in some joke outfit, like with bright metallic dyes, a moogle head, paws, etc. With hrothgar, I see a bit less of that, but I do see a lot of.. other outfits, that I probably shouldn't go into too much detail on the forums.

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I have a friend who treats their own roe the same way. Silly outfits and all. It's definitely a thing. Even they have told me that they view male oe as a "joke" race. Nothing wrong with that, mind you, but there's definitely a precedent. Their roe also makes one heck of a Santa Claus, I won't lie. They seem to enjoy playing the race and that's what matters. It also provides some entertainment for others.

I like dressing up my male Roe whenever I can. Don't have enough cash on him yet to where I can afford more glamour prisms. Also male Roe look the best in plated armor. Currently, I have mine running around in typical undyed Ishgardian-esc chainmail with heavy armor gloves and boots on; no helmet. My guy looks great!

As for my Hrothgar, I've given him a scholarly look as a Monk. I bought Papalymo's outfit from the cash shop and put it on my Hroth, plus your average dyable monocle you can find on the black market board, the Hraesvlgr gloves and the exclusive Hrothgar venturer boots. I say he looks rather dapper. Oh! Plus he uses the same type of weapons Yda used back in ARR. :D

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Frankly, a lot of male roe players treat their race as a meme race, from what I've seen. More players I've seen who want a more serious, masculine, character will play highlander or au ra instead, and if they don't like those options: midlander. I'd say the majority of the time I see a male roe, they are in some joke outfit, like with bright metallic dyes, a moogle head, paws, etc. With hrothgar, I see a bit less of that, but I do see a lot of.. other outfits, that I probably shouldn't go into too much detail on the forums.

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I dont want to detract from the fun and interests of people, but I'm glad I'm one of the minor few whom play a roe male and take their character seriously. That means no meme or overly goofy glams for their jobs. We're a rare breed.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Not as much :p

Especially not in-game. Hrothgar NPCs are usually portrayed as either really cute, stern or valorous. Roegadyn are memed way too often, even now. Proof? Try our emotes, you'll see.

Try saying that when we have something like Mr. Face as a Hrothgar.

also, why do you think we keep asking Square to remove the hunchback, believe me, not even we like looking like we're constipated all the time...

:D which is something fans have ALSO fixed illegally!

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btw you do realize actual mods still can read these posts right? Not saying people will be snitching but I would be cautious about personally admitting use of 3rd party addons.

To be fair, condoning mods doesn't necessarily mean using them. Heck, just google 'male Roegadyn' (under your own risk) and most results are modded, or links to the mods themselves. If anything, it gets to show how "meh" the race feels by default that a sizable amount of its players have to resort risking a ban to "fix" their characters.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

To be fair, condoning mods doesn't necessarily mean using them. Heck, just google 'male Roegadyn' (under your own risk) and most results are modded, or links to the mods themselves. If anything, it gets to show how "meh" the race feels by default that a sizable amount of its players have to resort risking a ban to "fix" their characters.

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Meh, I dont personally find default roes an issue that needed to be "fixed". It can certainly be improved just like with all other races but not in the means that they arent appealing.

Although this is me having a WoL replica of Branden whom imo is prolly the most good looking roe npc this game has so I suppose there's some merit to it lol.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

btw you do realize actual mods still can read these posts right? Not saying people will be snitching but I would be cautious about personally admitting use of 3rd party addons.

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I never said that I used third party tools. Nor told people to. But I know people will jump that gun harder than a Dragoon at a target. I'll just say this:

It's no lie that there are stuff out there that have fixed those things. We say it all the time so that Square is aware of what's going on: that a lot of people resort to modding specifically because they themselves don't do anything to solve the issues races have but that fans keep pointing out. The more and longer they let stuff pass, the more those are provided. I know it's dangerous to admit their existence at all... but if I get shot it's because the mods tend to shoot first and ask questions never. Regardless, at this point Square really needs to pay attention.

No one's asking or telling you to mod. Just that this is a thing that fans have addressed themselves, and Square really should be the one doing it, not them.

If not for the hunchback which has been claimed by several people here to be among the major detriments to playing Hrothgar, then for other stuff like hairstyles and headgear. If there's anything to learn from 3rd party tools and mods, which Square implied they were looking into to offer the same in a legal way into the game, then this is one such case.

But we'll see. I know a lot of petty people lurk the forums, they make up over half the threads anyway. If you don't hear from me for a few weeks, you'll know what happened :p someone didn't like me calling Square out on where they're letting things slip, and I got shot for it.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Meh, I dont personally find default roes an issue that needed to be "fixed". It can certainly be improved just like with all other races but not in the means that they arent appealing.

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The issue is that most of those things aren't fixes, nor even necessary. They're aesthetic changes.
I'd call "Fixes" the stuff that straighten Hrothgar spines, the stuff that fix their hairstyles or headgear. Roegadyn don't need any immediate fix like that, so all the stuff you find are minimal and, as said before, unnecessary.

Still :P I'll edit it so it's less egregious.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

To be fair, condoning mods doesn't necessarily mean using them. Heck, just google 'male Roegadyn' (under your own risk) and most results are modded, or links to the mods themselves. If anything, it gets to show how "meh" the race feels by default that a sizable amount of its players have to resort risking a ban to "fix" their characters.

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Except I don't condone their use. I only did so once, out of sheer frustration. But it's a dangerous slippery slope, and for all intents and purposes, Square does not want to see them used. But there is no denying. Among all the garbage and the crap there are things that fans use out of accessiblity and fairness, things that Square has not met expectations on. Things Square lied to us about, only for those fans then disproving them on stream.

Im not afraid to say, I dont mind the Hunch.
I think its a normal thing for them and Beastmen and Brutelike characters. Beastmen tend to be Brutes and Top heavy.

But thats not to say I wouldnt mind an ability or a switch to stand up straight either.

I don't play male characters because they.. well.. Don't look like men (With the exception of Manra, but they are too tall).

I would 100% play a Hyur male if they had the facial options of a certain Pandaemonium character.

Where are all my Gandalf grandpa black mages at?

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Im not afraid to say, I dont mind the Hunch.
I think its a normal thing for them and Beastmen and Brutelike characters. Beastmen tend to be Brutes and Top heavy.

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Although I dislike the hunch, sometimes I just get used to it after a while.
Though, I recently had anniversary ceremony.
Seeing one Hroth with a straight back and another doesn't in the cutscene just grinds my teeth.
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