"In from the Cold" Scenario, any way to skip it?

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

I'm going to disagree with you there. I think it was great. As others said, it makes you feel helpless. "Who are you without your suit?" - "If you're nothing without your suit - you shouldn't have it" but with blessing.
Also you kinda need to be immersed with the story to understand the atmosphere. Ofc it's fine if you don't like it. It's just I feel like you focus on how annoying the duty is, instead of what's happening around you there.

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Yes, that's what they were going for. The feeling of helplessness, in a form not your own. Unfortunately, even if I was playing my WoL, I'd be striving to avoid every single enemy, just as the mission states, but obviously not for the reason of "helplessness". You have to run back and forth, from one side to the other, and if you didn't know to go the "right" way, first, you may be running around and around, due to it having to be done in a specific order.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Yes, that's what they were going for. The feeling of helplessness, in a form not your own. Unfortunately, even if I was playing my WoL, I'd be striving to avoid every single enemy, just as the mission states, but obviously not for the reason of "helplessness". You have to run back and forth, from one side to the other, and if you didn't know to go the "right" way, first, you may be running around and around, due to it having to be done in a specific order.

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I actually got lost there and just started walking around collecting every shiny I could see, so eventually when I found my way out, I already had all needed items :D

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

I actually got lost there and just started walking around collecting every shiny I could see, so eventually when I found my way out, I already had all needed items :D

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The healing potions aren't needed, it's the fuel tank or whatever, as I recall, and you can't pick that up until you talk to the pilot.

I knew when i first started the instance "people are gonna despise this"
but i thought it was very well done and timer is hardly a problem its really just there as a stress factor

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

The healing potions aren't needed, it's the fuel tank or whatever, as I recall, and you can't pick that up until you talk to the pilot.

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It was the key. You could fill the tank with fuel without it. You needed healing potions if you weren't careful and pulled a few mobs. Still, I think I collected everything in that duty.

I think this quest was a drag for people that really don't take things slow or are in a rush to finish the game fast. My friend rushed all the MSQ he liked the story just really didn't care much of it, this quest was hell for him. i was stessed out but in a good way, felling the emotions of a garlean that couldn't do anything. To be fair i did it on my first try, if i failed that quest i would probably by a bit angry to do it again.

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

I'm going to disagree with you there. I think it was great. As others said, it makes you feel helpless. It's like with Marvel's "Who are you without your suit?" - "If you're nothing without your suit - you shouldn't have it" but with blessing instead.
Also you kinda need to be immersed with the story to understand the atmosphere. Ofc it's fine if you don't like it. It's just I feel like you focus on how annoying the duty is, instead of what's happening around you there.

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It's not even that the blessing of light was taken away, it's not tied to the body. The weakness is your character not being used to the new body, the Garlean's lack of magical ability and the body you get tossed into just being exceptionally weak.

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

It's not even that the blessing of light was taken away, it's not tied to the body. The weakness is your character not being used to the new body, the Garlean's lack of magical ability and the body you get tossed into just being exceptionally weak.

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The point is, we couldn't use it at the moment. It was a test if we could manage without it. Besides, we were in Garlemald, literally few blocks away from Zenos and Fandaniel, we should've expected them to come and say hi to us. And they did.

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

I just want the maintenance to finish so I can go finish the quest and proceed to forget about this little filler arc until I have to do it again on another character, I would actually pay money for a 6.0 story skip to not have to do this quest again.

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That's the thing you see the whole thing as filler, where others sees the relevance to it as WoL. How it plays into the story. I'm sure you're mad at it, because you got spotted, and were made to fight as the weaker Imperial Soldier and not as your all powerful WoL (or the class you're best familiar with). A lot of us were frustrated at that part, I'm sure, but what it lead into, it makes sense. I say you need to finish the quest as you stated, before calling it "just filler." To me filler is following a girl in green dress to catch them, or the dart game. Those are more fillers.

Atleast we were put in a body of a soldier and not a common citizen of Garlemald and given a stick for protection...

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

Ofc it's fine if you don't like it. It's just I feel like you focus on how annoying the duty is, instead of what's happening around you there.

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I mean, they're probably not wrong. It -was- indeed annoying from certain point of view. The only thing that really annoys me in this kind of quests is I had to continuously spam 1 button mindlessly as I chip away target's health slowly. This lull usually make my mind drifts elsewhere. I feel like I'd find more enjoyment if they could make threats more dangerous but also die quicker. In this duty, engaging mindlessly can be threatening, but it still feels slow paced. On the other hand, very easy mode only fixes half of that: things are at faster pace but nothing's threatening.

But personally? Without that kind of annoyance (avoiding mobs, finding what I need to survive and progress through) I wouldn't be immersed into the atmosphere this particular duty designed for: helplessness, fear, violated, dread, and like Floortank mentioned, realizing the true worth of us---the player. It's the best solo duty in the game Imho :)

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

The healing potions aren't needed, it's the fuel tank or whatever, as I recall, and you can't pick that up until you talk to the pilot.

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You are forced to fight a bunch of mobs at the end, you will get some aggro, you will also take unavoidable damage and a stack marker so yeah you probably need 1 or 2 potions for safety, even if you avoided all the patrolling mobs


Just going to say i enjoyed it, it was stressing which added a lot of panic factor for me (i ended up exploring everything because i missed the immobilised magitek so in the end i got most of the healing stuff and fought 3 imperials) but the last stretch was cool and sad, i was praying it would be the end lol

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Originally Posted by Arazehl

That's the thing you see the whole thing as filler, where others sees the relevance to it as WoL. How it plays into the story. I'm sure you're mad at it, because you got spotted, and were made to fight as the weaker Imperial Soldier and not as your all powerful WoL (or the class you're best familiar with). A lot of us were frustrated at that part, I'm sure, but what it lead into, it makes sense. I say you need to finish the quest as you stated, before calling it "just filler." To me filler is following a girl in green dress to catch them, or the dart game. Those are more fillers.

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Sure, I still need to finish it, I did the duty portion of it, or first if there are multiple. From the start to crawling out of the city. But unless Zenos does something major while in the char's body, the whole quest will amount to nothing. I would rather go back go do random chores as they were better written.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

But personally? Without that kind of annoyance (avoiding mobs, finding what I need to survive and progress through) I wouldn't be immersed into the atmosphere this particular duty designed for: helplessness, fear, violated, dread, and like Floortank mentioned, realizing the true worth of us---the player. It's the best solo duty in the game Imho :)

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I really enjoyed our return
(don't read if you haven't finished the mission)

Our return brought so much fun to me. Even tho it wasn't anything special, after having to go through being helpless and then into literally "hey bastard *heavy breathing*, I've come to take what is mine" and then the quality of the animation of our push while trying to yeet Zenos out of our body" was really enjoyable.

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

Sure, I still need to finish it, I did the duty portion of it, or first if there are multiple. From the start to crawling out of the city. But unless Zenos does something major while in the char's body, the whole quest will amount to nothing. I would rather go back go do random chores as they were better written.

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Zenos could at anytime massacre all the scions, if he really wanted to. We somehow crawl from one end of the map - in a frozen wasteland - and still make it to Zenos in time.

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Originally Posted by Jettinson

Just going to say i enjoyed it, it was stressing which added a lot of panic factor for me (i ended up exploring everything because i missed the immobilised magitek so in the end i got most of the healing stuff and fought 3 imperials) but the last stretch was cool and sad, i was praying it would be the end lol

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Hoo boi! I thought they're going to make us crawl toward Broken Glass like that all the way! I tried to toggle on auto walk but it didn't worked :eek:;)

Am I the only one that thought this scenario was awesome o.o

The overal weakness and pressure to find healing potions, as you weren't yourself and couldn't stealth your way past everything, topped by the heart pounding music to find a way out before time runs out and he reachs your friends. I was getting completely swept up in the story by this stage.

Then to see yourself in this body, struggle to your last, even when everything is stacked against you, was beautiful to me o.o

Not to mention the cutscene that plays out after it all, was just perfect, I had to replay that in my inn a 2nd time just to process what happened (mostly Zenos melting me with his hawtness xD)..

As for the technical side of the scenario, I got through it fine, didn't need to repeat it, it was very straight forward and laid down a path for you to follow, I'd imagine most ppl got distracted from it by shinies, which caused them to be lost? :P

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

I really enjoyed our return
(don't read if you haven't finished the mission)

Our return brought so much fun to me. Even tho it wasn't anything special, after having to go through being helpless and then into literally "hey bastard *heavy breathing*, I've come to take what is mine" and then the quality of the animation of our push while trying to yeet Zenos out of our body" was really enjoyable.

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Glad you enjoyed the resolution. I for one, was actually hoping there would be something more dramatic like our scions friends or allies getting wounded from the farce. I was hoping for them to instill the terror and discourse further but alas! Not what I'm hoping but still acceptable!

Thank you though! I already finished all the MSQ now & waiting for NG+ opportunity :D

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

Sure, I still need to finish it, I did the duty portion of it, or first if there are multiple. From the start to crawling out of the city. But unless Zenos does something major while in the char's body, the whole quest will amount to nothing. I would rather go back go do random chores as they were better written.

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Ahh yes random chores is much easier to get through, but would have had much less impact in that particular sequence of events. I'm glad they didn't ruin that moment by a "step and fetch" quest. I suggest doing on Very Easy mode to cause you less frustration. No shame in it, I did it in that mode for the same reason. It still has the same impact on the story without being super flustered.

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

But unless Zenos does something major while in the char's body, the whole quest will amount to nothing. I would rather go back go do random chores as they were better written.

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I think you miss the point of Zenos and his character. I will not go into details tho. Keep going and you will be reminded or learn why things are happening

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

I think you miss the point of Zenos and his character. I will not go into details tho. Keep going and you will be reminded or learn why things are happening

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Well I would but... https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/worldstatus/

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

Well I would but... https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/worldstatus/

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Don't worry, it'll be over soon

Enjoy the kitty for now
https://imgur.com/3mgFsdQ

This quest was utterly atrocious. And this from someone who beat it in their first go.

It boggles the mind that so many ardent defenders (Read that literally. This doesn't refer to people who simply enjoy the thing in their own corner) keep needling on about the difficulty as if that were the problem at hand. I put a lot of care in the appearance and development of my character. Every quest that forces me into the skin of another has me so bored out of my mind, especially with how painfully streamed lined (literally to one button) their kits are. I've always been a proponent of storytelling through gameplay, but this was done horrifically badly. People have different tolerances and priorities between gameplay and immersion/story, which is why we're seeing somewhat of a variety in opinion. I'm of the thought that story matters immensely up until the point gameplay has to suffer for it. In this quest, gameplay /painfully/ suffered. For no reason, mind. It wasn't for story, certainly, since there was contrived reasons Zenos wasn't detected. There was some nonsensical Instant Transmission of our hero from one side of the map to the other despite being in a body that was both at death's door and incapable of processing aether (meaning regeneration/healing those wounds were literally impossible. To succumb to the wounds was a certainty. You may think your convictions can surmount anything, but I can guarantee you that even it can't handle a failing body). Then it's off to the races as if nothing has happened, undermining the importance of what was supposed to be a 'tense' moment all the more. Didn't help that apparently thinking "I might need this fuel tank later" was something the devs considered too clever and so they forbid you from taking it until you speak with some useless corpse-adjacent then have to double back for... really no reason than just because.

It was all frustration. No tension. And literally the quest after, nobody cares. If you like this, all the power to you. But it wasn't hard and to pretend it had any impact on the story as a whole is plain objectively incorrect.They really should add a 'skip' to playing other NPCs. I'm sure SE feels very proud of their designs, but these designs weren't cute five years ago and they aren't cute now.

It's getting old.

I think this quest done what it set out to do. Put fear in me and let me feel what it's like to be an ordinary Garlean soldier who can't use magic but have to contend with you, the warrior of light who can easily mow down any adversaries.


Gameplay wise it's only seems difficult because you as the player are thrust into it without knowing where to go first so you'd naturally try to head south where the broken Magitech is. It's become clear what you need to do if you trial and error it.


My only qualm with this quest is that I wish I didn't have to start again from the very begining of the long serie of cutscenes.


Of course once you know what to do then it'll only take you about 7min to complete if that.

I dislike a few things in FFXIV:
1) beat down -- when the enemy disables you, even though you could just kick their teeth in, and were already winning
2) rp -- when you create a character and level it for months and months, and then are forced to play with a class you did NOT care for
3) time limits -- i like to do things at my own pace, especially since i have a lot of other stuff going on
4) being reminded that this is a game, when something breaks my immersion in a way I can't just suspend
5) endless duties -- when everything has large pools of hp, and the fights drag out, which doesn't make them harder, but more tedious
6) nod nod -- when you're in a cutscene after a long fight for your life, you beat the enemy, he stands up, delivers a cartoon villain speech and walks away, and all you do is standing there, clenching your fist
7) hide & seek -- find 3 X in this red circle. makes my blood boil every time.

Any of the above makes me roll my eyes and hope it won't take too long to get it done with. It's why I usually try to suicide as quick as possible, so I can switch to "very easy". Not because it's not hard, but because I like the game, but don't want to put up with the parts I hate.

Well, having beaten the quest, and the dungeon and trial afterwards... I have a more full picture of the quest, and I can say that the quest is annoying, a waste of time and all around a negative on the game.

Nothing of value was gained, nothing really happened and it managed to take the impact off of the dungeon and the trial. The story would actually be better if the quest wasn't there.

It wasn't a very well designed duty, and although I cleared it my first try, it took me ages to find the fuel for the magitech.
The segment was fine in principle, it just needed more direction.

I believe this quest was hard on purpose, but I disagree about this quest being atrocious. I strongly believe the intent and design behind this quest was to trigger the player. All the lore around this quest, stakes and timelimit are designed to trigger the player and push him/her to his limit. If that sort of stuff happened to me in real life, I would go mad very quickly, and the same happened during this quest. I was so taken and focused by it that I cleared it on first try (52hp left lol), looking everywhere and doing my best for... you know what (stakes).

If the intent of the developers were to push the player in a situation where he/she has to do his best to prevent the "thing", then I believe this quest is a masterpiece, a masterclass on gamedesign.

I've hated this quest from my character PoV. From a player PoV, I love how the quest was put together to push me to my limits.

I found the quest really unintuitive and can see why some players are having trouble with it.

Didn't help that the narrative around it was really awkward and felt like it was there to justify the duty itself.

The quest is annoying enough, but that isn't my issue with it. Spoilers inc.

I lost a lot of faith in my character thanks to this quest. All this time we have been led to believe our character was special. More CONCENTRATED, so to speak. We resist tempering, we possess the Echo, we face insurmountable odds all the time.

Then we are casually kidnapped, our body taken, our spirit shunted into some nothing body, apparently without effort.

It's like we get raped for this quest. Never has being in my character been so uncomfortable. Never again SE. It WILL cause me to quit. Thanks for giving the impression of great power and then completely removing it.

Far too often have I been made to feel like a tool this expansion. Are we really so great, or just a means to an end we have zero control over?

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There's no way I would have found all the stuff otherwise

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THAT is the biggest issue, spent ages running around in circles with ZERO idea where it was. There are sparkles everywhere but in a huge city block and loads of adds, you are meant to work out where the fuel is whilst on a timer?

Its easy to find a needle in a haystack....when you know which haystack to start looking in.

Quest was fine, they needed you to experience powerless and being Zeno's chew toy. 30 minutes is plenty of time to find the items as well.

I honestly didn't mind that quest. I think I only used 3 healing items(1 regen and 2 potions) by avoiding the majority of enemies - their line of sight really isn't as far as some of the other "remain hidden from" things, and finished it pretty quickly. The timer in the top left corner was at 13 when I finished it.

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My second response: This guy would be totally screwed if I wasn't in control of his life right now. This guy would not survive any of these encounters, he'd be dead.

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Um..as Urianger states...( spoiler within, be warned )

The guy you had been piloting...was a reanimated corpse

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Originally Posted by technole

Quest was fine, they needed you to experience powerless and being Zeno's chew toy. 30 minutes is plenty of time to find the items as well.

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But why was it needed? Take this quest out and what would really change? IMO nothing. The tempered garlean people already proved to be quite the distraction. Even with the WoL there it should not have changed much. And after all was said and done this never was spoken of again. Nobody even mentioned it later and the WoL seemingly did not learn anything from it at all. They dont have flashbacks to show how horrible that was for them, nor does it unlock any new abilities.

And its not like Zenos would ever use that again, since he wants to fight us at our very best. Sure he thinks its a great experience to be in another body...but just because he thinks that does not mean that others will think so too and we do see that our character is not really fazed by this. (And we already had our scenes in Stormblood that showed us powerless to him.)

Also it opens up the question on why this was never used by the other Ascians. Why did someone like Elidibus, who wanted us death at the end, not simply portal kidnap us and throw us into the void or something. In ARR Minfilia got kidnapped because the protection in the headquarters were gone after the sealing of the blessing of light. I always just assumed that we did get some kind of protection towards such things but seemingly we dont and the others are just stupid.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

And its not like Zenos would ever use that again, since he wants to fight us at our very best. Sure he thinks its a great experience to be in another body...but just because he thinks that does not mean that others will think so too and we do see that our character is not really fazed by this. (And we already had our scenes in Stormblood that showed us powerless to him.)

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Because he's trying to provoke us. And it's working. He's literally toying with us. There's no other great reason. His entire character after he got his ass wooped back in Stormblood is to get wooped again. But he wants us to come to him ourselves, otherwise it's not fun for him, he wants us to focus only on him and unleash everything we've got without any distractions.

On this quest rn and contemplating quitting too.. I dont want single player elements in my mmo.. I just wanna lvl up asap and be done with it so I can start doing dungeons and stuff.. if I wanted a stealth survival horror game, I would not be playing an mmo ;-; . I do not think I will bother finishing if the rest of the quests are like this...

This whole expansion has exposed the fragility of the player base. Some take this game way too seriously. Others need to seek psychiatric treatment as seen in a thread referring to a certain scene.
Gather your composure. Evaluate. Most importantly; calm down.
(Violates trust was a funny post)

Honestly, that was the only quest in the entirety of Endwalker that I enjoyed doing. Would you have preferred yet another escort mission? Or follow someone 20 feet but make sure they don't see you?

The instance was different. It was stressful, but I felt a great sense of relief when I beat it. It changed how you had to approach the instance. You couldn't just fight your way through it. You had to be patient and pick your battles. Is the risk worth the reward.

It may not be everyone's cup of tea. I'm not particularly fond of stealth missions, but I actually did enjoy that one. Felt very accomplished at the end. Especially having not died.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

This. The Scions for the most part cannot keep up with us nor are on our level, and this becomes apparent if you do Trusts. Why they don't AoE, why they don't attack while moving, why they wait for an attack to go through before going back, why they have so few skills/spells/abilities, there's a reason other than a technical standpoint. Because they themselves are already pushing themselves to the limit fighting a single enemy, dodging attacks, and have a limited amount of moves that their bodies can use at any given situation because any more might push their bodies too much. Estinien and G'raha Tia are the only two Trusts who have actually been able to transcend their limits to a degree, through Estinien's temporary fusion with Nidhogg and G'raha Tia's century of knowledge and experience as the Exarch, and are actually closer to our level than the others.

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This leans a lot on gameplay inconsistencies. What makes trusts more indicative of the other Scions abilities than duties or cutscenes where they can get away with pulling room clearing abilities out of nowhere that honestly embarrass the skills of the jobs we get to play as the WoL? I'll not get specific, but it surely doesn't take much thinking to remember an instance when we had to buy time for someone to charge an attack that destroyed everything on the battlefield. Sometimes they don't even need us as a distraction and the power gets used to save us. It happens all the time in FF14.