FIX GARUDA!!!

BLA BLA BLA QQQQQQQ SANDY HERE SANDY THERE QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ.

Fix is coming, why in the name of the Old and New Gods are people still whining/bitching regarding this issue? People that have been using BLM burn method and never won it normally will ends up dying when fixes comes, what do people expect to achieve from this argument? banning those exploiters?

i dunno but enjoy your "limited time only" strat while it lasts, guy

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Originally Posted by fusional

the fact that the so much of community fights tooth and nail to white knight exploiting/exploiters every major patch is just incredible, and only serves to underscore how our community is comprised primarily of carebears drunk with entitlement, rallying against anything resembling challenge and expecting everything to be handed to them on a silver platter.

while part of the blame rests on square's shoulders for not making more of an example of people who choose to exploit even after devs (and yoshi himself) make it clear what they're doing is taking advantage of bugs in game design, at the very least the community should have the fortitude to sack it up and admit it's not cool.

but people instead choose to delusionally defend exploiting, because all they really care about is that they benefit from it. and their primary argument is "well, it doesn't affect you so why do you care?"

99% of anything anyone does on the planet doesn't affect you. so do we just stop convicting criminals of crimes simply because it has no direct impact on us individually? that's retarded.

no, this isn't real life. but just as there are rules in real life, there are rules in games. especially when the game is a sandbox where lots and lots of other people are playing. without rules it's anarchy. if you want anarchy, play single player console games.

bottom line.

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I know..... I just think the day they figured out it was a design flaw, they should just patch it right away. I would have been fine with them fixing the Garuda thing when they first noticed it

If anything, I am glad this exploit happened. Pretty much told the developers that they need to pay closer attention to what they make and test every little thing you can before releasing something.

Wouldn't the blm burn strat not work anymore. cause when she goes into auto phase 3 wouldn't you need more melee dps to kill her clone. Cause if you can't kill that one fast enough don't they auto kill you with that blast that does like 3k dmg.

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I know..... I just think the day they figured out it was a design flaw, they should just patch it right away. I would have been fine with them fixing the Garuda thing when they first noticed it

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It's called Golden Week, oh it's also called: "We're busy working on the next patch so you won't complain, but we also need to take a look at the design (analyze) and come up with an appropriate fix for said hot fix."

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Originally Posted by Velhart

If anything, I am glad this exploit happened. Pretty much told the developers that they need to pay closer attention to what they make and test every little thing you can before releasing something.

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You can exploit in any MMO, no matter if you have 820 Einsteins on your development or 20 monkies, players can and will find ways to exploit something, stop thinking they don't pay attention because if you've played any other MMO, especially of Korean and Chinese origin you'd realize very quickly no matter what is done people will get around anything.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

It's called Golden Week, oh it's also called: "We're busy working on the next patch so you won't complain, but we also need to take a look at the design (analyze) and come up with an appropriate fix for said hot fix."

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I know.. I know... Im not complaining

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Originally Posted by Elexia

You can exploit in any MMO, no matter if you have 820 Einsteins on your development or 20 monkies, players can and will find ways to exploit something, stop thinking they don't pay attention because if you've played any other MMO, especially of Korean and Chinese origin you'd realize very quickly no matter what is done people will get around anything.

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True too... but the thing is.. the more you test, the less there is for players to find....
Players should have to go through hell and high water to find a design flaw.... not just inadvertently burn at the right time

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Yes, but by "abusing" you mean doing exactly what BLMs were designed to do... nuking
I understand what you guys are saying... I just have to play the devil's advocate here

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There is no argument. Abusing a mechanic is still abusing a mechanic, regardless of whether you are using valid mechanics to do it or not. If I got 1mil gil every time I sold a copper ore to an npc, farming copper and selling it repeatedly is exploiting a broken mechanic. Yes I'm still just "npcing copper like I'm allowed to do," but now I"m doing it for the express purpose of abusing a bug. Running into a wall is no sin, but if you're doing it to skip through an entire dungeon its an exploit. An exploit is an exploit, I appreciate your attempt but there is no wiggle room for this one.

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If a stop sign is poorly made, and it falls under it's own weight and cars no longer stop at that particular intersection....
That stop sign (And in turn, that intersection) are no longer working as intended...
Whether you KNOW the stop sign was supposed to be there or not, you are not legally bound to stop at the corner, and therefore cannot be penalized for failing to stop

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But that works different from a game. Once you learn something is an exploit, you are legally bound by the terms of service and conditions (which you signed) to cease and desist. Failure to do so is a bannable offense. Yoshi *does* have the right to ban anyone continuing to use this exploit you know, as they are clearly violating the contract which they signed in order to play the game. He doesn't ban them out of his good graces, don't get it confused. There is absolutely no wiggle room here at all. Yoshi clarified that his is an unintended mechanic, and ppl who are intentionally trying to abuse that mechanic are exploiting the game. Its no different than the tons of other examples I gave. I just find it amazing how anyone would even bother to rationalize it at all, as there's nothing to rationalize. Game exploits are easily defined, easily recognized, and easily avoided. There's really nothing to defend.

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Yoshi *does* have the right to ban anyone

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As vague as their terms and conditions are, you're right
Honestly, if he wanted to, Yoshi could probably ban pretty much any one of us for pretty much anything and be legally justified in doing so.

I just say people who do the so called "exploit" don't have as much fun on the fight as people who don't... and thats enough for me

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Originally Posted by Firon

Wouldn't the blm burn strat not work anymore. cause when she goes into auto phase 3 wouldn't you need more melee dps to kill her clone. Cause if you can't kill that one fast enough don't they auto kill you with that blast that does like 3k dmg.

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right. and only having the tank + 1 bard on her generally won't get her down fast enough, since the tank can't use anything but frontal combo or risk turning her and stunning/knocking back/interrupting casters, and the bard can't really use their distance combos if she summons east winds.

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As vague as their terms and conditions are, you're right
Honestly, if he wanted to, Yoshi could probably ban pretty much any one of us for pretty much anything and be legally justified in doing so.

I just say people who do the so called "exploit" don't have as much fun on the fight as people who don't... and thats enough for me

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I could care less as long as ppl own up and admit they are doing what they are doing. And they don't need devil's advocates because they have plenty of denial already. I figure if someone is going to exploit the game to get easy loot, they might as well just admit that 's what they are doing. It doesn't affect me so I dont care. Listening to their stupid justifications does affect me (pet peeve 101) so I'll go on all day. I just can't wait to laugh at that one blm burn party that didnt get the memo when its hotfixed.

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I could care less as long as ppl own up and admit they are doing what they are doing. And they don't need devil's advocates because they have plenty of denial already. I figure if someone is going to exploit the game to get easy loot, they might as well just admit that 's what they are doing. It doesn't affect me so I dont care. Listening to their stupid justifications does affect me (pet peeve 101) so I'll go on all day. I just can't wait to laugh at that one blm burn party that didnt get the memo when its hotfixed.

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Quiet as it's kept.... I feel like I DD on WAR as fast as any of the BLMs in the "Burn" anyway....
And since that is AOE that also damages the plumes... I feel like the BLM burn can't be that much easier than the real way to do it

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Quiet as it's kept.... I feel like I DD on WAR as fast as any of the BLMs in the "Burn" anyway....
And since that is AOE that also damages the plumes... I feel like the BLM burn can't be that much easier than the real way to do it

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Lol BLM burn skips aerial blast. Thats like skipping hellfire on ifrit. Once its fixed there will be *no* way to skip it so yes, it will be quite a lot harder. Do you know how many parties I saw come out dead? Most of them.

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Quiet as it's kept.... I feel like I DD on WAR as fast as any of the BLMs in the "Burn" anyway....
And since that is AOE that also damages the plumes... I feel like the BLM burn can't be that much easier than the real way to do it

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I am not sure if you are joking about that or if you are serious and your blm's are just terrible.

Unless the fight lasts over like 8 minutes there should be no way for a warrior to come close to a blm's single target damage output, no matter how amazing you think you are.

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Originally Posted by fusional

right. and only having the tank + 1 bard on her generally won't get her down fast enough, since the tank can't use anything but frontal combo or risk turning her and stunning/knocking back/interrupting casters, and the bard can't really use their distance combos if she summons east winds.

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Thought so. Thanks for clearing that up.

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I am not sure if you are joking about that or if you are serious and your blm's are just terrible.

Unless the fight lasts over like 8 minutes there should be no way for a warrior to come close to a blm's single target damage output, no matter how amazing you think you are.

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we tried the BLM burn to see what all the fuss was about... and I did like 12k (While tanking), and we killed it and the fight lasted 4 minutes... I'm not sure what you mean? but had I not been doing any voke/flash/damage mitigation type stuff then my damage would go up quite a bit....

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Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna

Lol BLM burn skips aerial blast. Thats like skipping hellfire on ifrit. Once its fixed there will be *no* way to skip it so yes, it will be quite a lot harder. Do you know how many parties I saw come out dead? Most of them.

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I know... Its just a lot of people are spending so much time trying to perfect the BLM burn way, if they spent that much time working on the regular strat, I think they'd get it down eventually

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Originally Posted by Elexia

You can exploit in any MMO, no matter if you have 820 Einsteins on your development or 20 monkies, players can and will find ways to exploit something, stop thinking they don't pay attention because if you've played any other MMO, especially of Korean and Chinese origin you'd realize very quickly no matter what is done people will get around anything.

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Maybe, but FFXI and FFXIV have been the only MMO's I have played (played a lot of them) where exploitation is taken advantage of at a severe rate. Things I see are something that could of been easily spotted by a tester, but didn't happen. Sure a bug or two gets by everything, there is no way to make things 100% perfect.

What I am saying is that something that is obvious as this should have been spotted. They should of known this could of been taken advantage of if people can get hit below 50% before phase 2.

All people really do is use exploits in this game, rather small or big. Rather it just run through DH without killing mobs, certain spots in Ifrit guarantee not being hit, midway death/revive in Moogle, or BLM sweet spot on Chimera.

So unless SE has some new structure for fights in 2.0, all I will see people do is find exploits to make it easier. In all fairness however, when you do grind a boss all day, you do just want to make it quick. Hopefully there will be enough content to distribute that we don't get that grinding feeling. When people get bored and just want their item at that point, finding exploits are inevitable.

So I do agree with you, but exploitation is the worse I have seen in this game, and there are just obvious things here that I find hard to believe that testers could not find this.

Hey SE! Why u no ban dis thread?

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Maybe, but FFXI and FFXIV have been the only MMO's I have played (played a lot of them) where exploitation is taken advantage of at a severe rate. Things I see are something that could of been easily spotted by a tester, but didn't happen. Sure a bug or two gets by everything, there is no way to make things 100% perfect.

What I am saying is that something that is obvious as this should have been spotted. They should of known this could of been taken advantage of if people can get hit below 50% before phase 2.

All people really do is use exploits in this game, rather small or big. Rather it just run through DH without killing mobs, certain spots in Ifrit guarantee not being hit, midway death/revive in Moogle, or BLM sweet spot on Chimera.

So unless SE has some new structure for fights in 2.0, all I will see people do is find exploits to make it easier. In all fairness however, when you do grind a boss all day, you do just want to make it quick. Hopefully there will be enough content to distribute that we don't get that grinding feeling. When people get bored and just want their item at that point, finding exploits are inevitable.

So I do agree with you, but exploitation is the worse I have seen in this game, and there are just obvious things here that I find hard to believe that testers could not find this.

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In all fairness to the XIV team they have most of their resources working on 2.0. The QA probably isn't nearly as thorough because its temporary content. I dont even think these primal battles will make it into 2.0 at all, at least not in their current form. Its also why server instability has been so difficult to fix over this last patch, they are working with split resources, and obviously XIV is going to draw the short stick. When you have deadlines to meet on *both* ends of the floor, it can be really hard to push out non-buggy content. Ppl want 2.0 on time, that means XIV has to proceed more or less on time. Its a nightmare of a situation SE put themselves in, all for delivering players an MMO that meets expectations.

As far as XI goes, I have no idea why that was so bad. Then again, you had an MMORPG noob designing it. That might have been the problem.

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In all fairness to the XIV team they have most of their resources working on 2.0. The QA probably isn't nearly as thorough because its temporary content. I dont even think these primal battles will make it into 2.0 at all, at least not in their current form. Its also why server instability has been so difficult to fix over this last patch, they are working with split resources, and obviously XIV is going to draw the short stick. When you have deadlines to meet on *both* ends of the floor, it can be really hard to push out non-buggy content. Ppl want 2.0 on time, that means XIV has to proceed more or less on time. Its a nightmare of a situation SE put themselves in, all for delivering players an MMO that meets expectations.

As far as XI goes, I have no idea why that was so bad. Then again, you had an MMORPG noob designing it. That might have been the problem.

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FFXI was my first true MMO back in 2003, so anything I would consider funny today did not go through my mind back then, that is just how I thought it worked, and during that time, that how MMO's worked in general since they were still in their uprising phase.

I do agree with you however, they are very limited on what they can do to 1.0 due to the budget heavily catering to 2.0. My only complaint is not being able to spot out "obvious" flaws in battles. I am not a developer however, so I won't pretend to know how things work there. I will just do the "Deal with whatever I have to right now", and know 2.0 will most likely be much, "much" better than what we have right now.

rather of seen this thread decay in the void, but didnt want to make a new thread for a stupid question.
can totems be farmed off ixal's outside of natalan? ie: ixali encampments?

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rather of seen this thread decay in the void, but didnt want to make a new thread for a stupid question.
can totems be farmed off ixal's outside of natalan? ie: ixali encampments?

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SO, now do we want to demand all players who have participated in any primal fight with more than four of any one class/job be perma banned? will that make blue garbltr happy? do i need to be standing on the mob im fighting as archer when on a sloped terrain? should BLM be restricted to per diem spell casting and have to go back to the inn to be able to cast more?
This thread sure sounds a lot to me like blue garbltr thinks that everyone else should not be able to win without at least 32 consecutive tries and that then only brue gobbltater should get any weapons.

Fighting Ifrit with more than 2 THM/BLM is an exploit, KOing all moogles before momento moogle is an exploit, moving out of the way of a Puk weapon skill is an exploit. BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN! and while we are at it, make sure to ban everyone who had physical level 30+ while levelling a <10 class.

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SO, now do we want to demand all players who have participated in any primal fight with more than four of any one class/job be perma banned? will that make blue garbltr happy? do i need to be standing on the mob im fighting as archer when on a sloped terrain? should BLM be restricted to per diem spell casting and have to go back to the inn to be able to cast more?
This thread sure sounds a lot to me like blue garbltr thinks that everyone else should not be able to win without at least 32 consecutive tries and that then only brue gobbltater should get any weapons.

Fighting Ifrit with more than 2 THM/BLM is an exploit, KOing all moogles before momento moogle is an exploit, moving out of the way of a Puk weapon skill is an exploit. BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN! and while we are at it, make sure to ban everyone who had physical level 30+ while levelling a <10 class.

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You'd have a point if you actually used your brain. SE themselves stated this isn't the intended way to fight and Garuda is bugged in the sense triggers doesn't go off when burning it down with tons of thm/blm. THAT is an exploit, using 2+ thms on ifrit isn't an exploit.

^ trolled.

The hardest thing about garuda continues to be getting in for me... We have been stuck at "unable to proceed due to server congestion" for over 30 minutes of spamming the crystal sometimes.

At least with this change I am sure 80% of the groups won't be there anymore.

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The hardest thing about garuda continues to be getting in for me... We have been stuck at "unable to proceed due to server congestion" for over 30 minutes of spamming the crystal sometimes.

At least with this change I am sure 80% of the groups won't be there anymore.

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Hasn't happened to me yet...

A quick fix to everything at the moment will be to have max party (Full Patry) limit to 6 not 8. Not only will we not have to spend an hour looking for that last person but it would bring the difficulty level to "fair" for both sides.

I don't think I see myself playing this game anymore. You guys are killing this game one patch at a time. Guess I'll be playing either Diablo III or TERA.

Well the damage has been done. If SE didn't want blm burn to be an easy way to kill Garuda they should have had an emergency maintenance right away since now most blm burners have full weapon set or close to it.

Garuda will start being harder to kill after the patch since you can't skip phases or astral anymore.

If they really want to fix it, they should just power down all existing Garuda weapons to 1 damage and make you beat Garuda after the hotfix to restore a weapon's original strength. Anyone capable of beating the fight legit could just go in and restore their weapons right away.

I'm hoping that they make the plumes a little bit easier to kill, as it is now, good luck keeping the pillars in good enough shape to survive aerial blast.

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I'm hoping that they make the plumes a little bit easier to kill, as it is now, good luck keeping the pillars in good enough shape to survive aerial blast.

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Huh? people have done it before. many people.

Enjoy your cheat until you can
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ce-%28May-9%29
just too late

And now, most hardcore players already finish their collection.

So the remain one will have harder time fight in normal way lol. (and harder to get pt too, since gotta cut off most blm burn players)

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I'm hoping that they make the plumes a little bit easier to kill, as it is now, good luck keeping the pillars in good enough shape to survive aerial blast.

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what? plumes are the least of your worries in this fight.

AHHHHHH Not the almighty plumessssss.

Watch out they do the sleepagagag's

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Enjoy your cheat until you can
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ce-%28May-9%29
just too late

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everyone knew the date when they announced they were fixing it like a week ago,lol.

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everyone knew the date when they announced they were fixing it like a week ago,lol.

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Me too, i just wanted to be a dick.
Also, many people don't read dev tracker..or lodestone :|

They could just do a rollback on any drops from wins under 4 minutes.

problem solved, banning is too harsh.