Labyrinth and Syrcus Tower...

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Originally Posted by PyurBlue

They want us filling queues for people, right. That's why I'm suggesting an opt out option. I don't fill queues for anyone waiting for alliance raids because I'd rather avoid the entire rouluette than get the really boring duties in it. If I could queue without being eligible for the raids I don't like, I would. It's a gain for everyone. Choice doesn't defeat the purpose of the roulette and if you think about it, we already have a choice in that we have multiple roulettes for filling different content. Every roulette except the Mentor roulette excludes duties. I'm just suggesting a slightly finer level of control. I feel like it's especially likely to work in the alliance roulette because we have a split of opinion on which raids are preferred. ARR is probably going to remain more popular overall no matter what is done, but if people who avoid the roulette entirely start queuing, that's a plus. More choice also means the people unwilling to deal with the 70 raids wouldn't be joining them and immediately quitting.

As for the ilvl requirement, I guess there are a few ways to implement it. As it is now it allows people to influence the raid that they get. If we change it so that the requirement is dynamic, people can still quit, some might just avoid unlocking certain raids. Those players like myself have no more incentive than now to queue, and new players (especially with Road to 70) might be cutoff from a roulette just because they don't meet the requirements for 1 duty within it.

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The problem is if you provide people an opt out method, a significant number will veto the least efficient options. In essence, you're providing a non-exploitative way for people to guarantee they only get LotA/ST which will make the queues even longer for everything else. If such a feature existed for say, Leveling Roulette, a lot of people will pick the baby dungeons to ensure they never take them. This could make queuing into even Copperbell a nightmare for newer players, which is not a good first impression. What you're suggesting wouldn't solve anything but potentially make it worse.

People have always been doing the ilvl thing to get LoTA and ST so why does it matter now?

Well because there is a new expansion with new players that have only a few alliance raid unlock

So someone messing with his ilvl will be thrown to those players

And therefor will take a spot on LoTA/ST and possibly allow you not to have LoTA/ST

So basically you have

player A1 (only have lota/st unlock) queueing for alliance roulette
player A2-A3 (queueing for lota or st)

Player B (messing with ilvl to get lota or ST)

Player C (the complain... I mean the filler)

So any players thrown to any player A(1-3) will get one of the two ST raid regardless of player B

The argument here seems to be: "I hate running LotA and Syrcus Tower, therefore I never run Alliance Roulette."

I think the reality is actually the other way around: "I run Alliance Roulette almost daily, probably because I'm levelling a lot of classes. Therefore I hate getting anything other than LotA, Syrcus Tower, or maybe Void Ark."

Nope. LotA and Syrcus are boring as hell and I dread doing alliance roulettes for tomestones/levelling because it's always these two. I would gladly take Void Ark over them just to have have a change of scenery. Hell, I'll even take WoD.

It might not be only an ilvl thing. If most don't have the other raids unlocked, DF can't select them. I don't have Void Ark, etc. I missed the hype train on those and didn't think it was worth unlocking after when it turned into dead content.

I'm aware of this, for some reason I got LotA way too often than the other raids, even as a job above level 70. Well there are times where I got WoD so that's good at least...

"G'raha, I love you but I'm sick of your raid"
-me

Tired of just seeing Lab and Tower all the time. I want the HW ones just as much. It's a problem and needs to be FIXED.

I've been queuing up as a healer, praying for the SB alliance raids, and it's so disappointing to get Syrcus or Labyrinth. I've even tried specifically queuing for Orbonne, and there's a 25 minute wait whenever I try.

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Originally Posted by Yunuen

I've even tried specifically queuing for Orbonne, and there's a 25 minute wait whenever I try.

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Oh no 25 minutes! As I stated earlier, as DPS that's a normal queue time for me for basically everything (granted I Q'dfor Orbonne last night and it was 17 minutes), so I always get a good chuckle out of it when healers or tanks are shocked when they experience it once and act like it's the end of the world ^^ Do beast tribes or whatever while waiting, you're not meant to sit there and watch the clock tick down.

Yet as soon as people see Orbonne Monastery everybody bails. lol

The easiest solution would be to just make all roulette duties min ilvl, so everyone has to actually care about mechanics.

Then ppl lowering their ilvl wont be an issue cause they still had to actually grow a brain for the mechanics

Yes, they are super boring, especially Lab. The only good thing about them, is that they are fast. With 15 min. for ST it is as fast as a normal dungeon.
As much as I love Orbonne or Dun Scaith, I always fear wipes, so I'm not that mad, when I get ST or Lab (or WoD). But I do miss those nice Orbonne runs, I had back when everyone was running it.
I got into Weeping City a few times lately and it felt refreshing (though ppl still fail on Ozma).

Min ilvl is a bad idea, just double the HP of all the bosses and they'll have enough time to do their mechanics again. The worse of the problem is from the fact they change scaling to HQ values which they were never balanced for. The later ones were and are not the problem.

I am not sure what parties you guys are running with but in the instances where I get something not ST in the roulette I usually have no trouble clearing. In fact I love getting something other than ST because that means I will have to actually do something rather than pretty much idle since as a healer there is so little to do.

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Originally Posted by Bsrking5

Min ilvl is a bad idea, just double the HP of all the bosses and they'll have enough time to do their mechanics again. The worse of the problem is from the fact they change scaling to HQ values which they were never balanced for. The later ones were and are not the problem.

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The max ilevels are the problem not if the ilevels are HQ or not.

LotA is min ilevel i50 tuned for closer to i70 but has an ilevel sync of i135. Max ilevel at release was i90
ST has a min ilevel of i70 with an ilevel sync of i135. Max ilevel at release was i110
WoD has a min ilevel of i90 with a sync of i135. Max ilevel at release was i130

Compare this to:
VA which has i175 min i275 max, release max i210
WC which has i205 min i275 max, release max i240
DS which has i235 min i275 max, release max i270
Rabanastre i305 min i405 max, release max i340
Ridorana i335 min i405 max, release max i370
Orbonne i365 min i405 max, release max i400

A max ilevel character is about 200% stronger than the min ilevel characters LotA and ST were designed for.

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Originally Posted by Firago

Who else is sick and tired of getting these in the alliance roulette?
I swear in my experience I get one of these two raids 95% of the time. I only get HW and StB alliance raids once in a blue moon. Heck even getting World of Darkness is exciting. I feel so burned out on these crystal tower raids that I can't help but to feel nauseous as soon as I hear the beginning of the music. :( You can only imagine my disgust when the Moogle event went live before ShB.

I'm sure other players are sick of these raids too. Nearly every mechanic gets ignored now (Zombie Dragon skeletons, Scylla orbs, Amon slimes). That's how brain-numbing this is. The only mechanics I see that don't get ignored are "Ancient Flare", "4-on-a-pad" (loosely), and "Ecliptic Meteor."

I understand if I see a First-Time-Bonus that there's a new player or alt. However when I don't see a First-Time-Bonus I get confused. :confused: I just wonder why we were put in those raids. Sure there may be characters on jobs not 60 yet but that doesn't explain why WoD is so rare. Do level 50-59 characters really outnumber characters 60-80 by so much?

Thank you for listening to my rant...I just needed to get this off my chest. I'm still curious about why these raids are soooo common though. :confused:

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It's fast and it's better than Mona where Noob can chain wype on the God of Thunder, despite the fact that the content is very easy...
Thanks for my quick babysitting for tomstone farm.