[Petition] Remove Genderlocked Costumes

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Originally Posted by Theodric

The development team are already stretched thin as it is. I'd quite like them to focus on designing more masculine looking gear, hairstyles and customisation options for male characters instead of spending time unlocking the ability for male characters to wear more dresses.

I'm still waiting for the stubble used in promotional footage to be made available. I'd also like more effort to be put into the male exclusive hairstyles and NPC outfits. Hien's outfit suffers from alarming texture issues and doesn't come with his hairstyle.

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this way these demand remove gender locked gear would dispear

total agree male only gear. through there few already cid outfit I think it only fair to have more male only gear. here few suggest Sifler for ffviii Zell for same game

instead tried remove why tried balance it out female armor to male armor instead

the bunny outfit on male character just look wrong and creepy at same time. a male version would look better. too for example it could be bunny tuxedo instead

slippy slope prove see bunny costume and this thread for evidences

we seen how thread just like this one how more till people stop think what their ask for

you become so brazen this time demand all them removed. they gave you inch now your demand the mile in turn. an inch of slippy slope now the mile of the slippy slope is being demand in turn

to be honest they should gender lock Cloud gear Squall gear Zidane gear and give the female equal, Rinoa gear Tifa gear Dagger gear. the Indian chief gear should be a male only gear. they made Lightning gear female only they should done same to the other I want lightning awesome shield for ffxiii-3. Tidus gear is male only too. see this would be start to balance it out.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

The development team are already stretched thin as it is. I'd quite like them to focus on designing more masculine looking gear, hairstyles and customisation options for male characters instead of spending time unlocking the ability for male characters to wear more dresses.

I'm still waiting for the stubble used in promotional footage to be made available. I'd also like more effort to be put into the male exclusive hairstyles and NPC outfits. Hien's outfit suffers from alarming texture issues and doesn't come with his hairstyle.

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More character creation options are a limitation of the engine and therefor much less likely to happen then seeing gear reworked to not included locked genders (also, something the directer already said they are slowing working towards). So you will probably be able to wear a dress before you can wear stubble. Personally, I would like to see both, but unlocking genders on gear is the more feasible at this time.

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Originally Posted by Kohl

It actually is exactly a fallacy: It's called the Slippery Slope fallacy
"You said that if we allow A to happen, then Z will eventually happen too, therefore A should not happen.
The problem with this reasoning is that it avoids engaging with the issue at hand, and instead shifts attention to extreme hypotheticals. Because no proof is presented to show that such extreme hypotheticals will in fact occur, this fallacy has the form of an appeal to emotion fallacy by leveraging fear. In effect the argument at hand is unfairly tainted by unsubstantiated conjecture."

The definition of a Strawman fallacy as pointed out to you earlier:
"Strawman
You misrepresented someone's argument to make it easier to attack.
By exaggerating, misrepresenting, or just completely fabricating someone's argument, it's much easier to present your own position as being reasonable, but this kind of dishonesty serves to undermine honest rational debate."

(quoted text is not mine, it is quoted, and while it uses the word "you" it is not directly addressing any individual herein)

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The post that was called a "fallacy" was in no way a fallacy. I'd like you to go back and explain to me specifically how it IS a fallacy. I've directly engaged the issue and said exactly why I don't want them to release gender locked gear. There was no hypotheticals in that post. There was a compromise, but no hypothetical.

The post that was called a "strawman" was partially a strawman I'd admit, and I never said it wasn't. But I've clarified my point 10x over since then.

I'm not the one avoiding the issue, you people are so insistent on semantics despite the fact that I've talked about the issue repeatedly, I really don't know what else you want from me.

Strawman
Hypothesis
Slippery Slope
Fallacy
Logical

Isn't there a videogame we're taking about here? What's this talk about logic and social constructs?

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Originally Posted by REPROBEAN_CHILD

Strawman
Hypothesis
Slippery Slope
Fallacy
Logical

Isn't there a videogame we're taking about here? What's this talk about logic and social constructs?

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All those things listed up there can and often do come up during arguments about certain topics. I'm... not sure what you mean by "isn't it a videogame we're talking about here?"

Yes? It is? How would that make it exempt from fallacies in arguments?

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Originally Posted by Hazama999

All those things listed up there can and often do come up during arguments about certain topics. I'm... not sure what you mean by "isn't it a videogame we're talking about here?"

Yes? It is? How would that make it exempt from fallacies in arguments?

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Because gendered items have become THAT important to have arguments involving political jargon? It even stopped being about the items in question.

Remove role restricted glams as well (except for job specific AF gear). If I can tank in a speedo, I want to DPS in heavy armor.

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Originally Posted by REPROBEAN_CHILD

Because gendered items have become THAT important to have arguments involving political jargon? It even stopped being about the items in question.

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What political jargon? The things you listed are basic phenomena seen in argumentation.

One of the reasons I want the gender lock removed in the first place is because several pieces of the female only mog items have similar unisex pieces in game.

All the male classic Scion gear is unique. While the female versions can easily be remade. They even added a altered dalmatica. Basically Y'shtolas shirt without the goggles. Yda's set is basically a turban, DoW shirt and cobalt greaves.

The new crafted glamour jacket is basically a dyeable closed version of Lyse's jacket.

The Eastern Lady's Togi looks pretty similar to the Ao Dai

And I think removing restrictions would allow players to look even more unique by mixmatching different sets.

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Originally Posted by REPROBEAN_CHILD

Because gendered items have become THAT important to have arguments involving political jargon? It even stopped being about the items in question.

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Logic isn’t political jargon... just... what?

By the way... video games run on logic engines. So yeah, they go hand in hand lol

(Yes, I am just being a smartass)

And this is why I love playing a lalafell. No matter what gender my potato is I'll always look like a potato and literally no one can tell from my character model that my character is male until I scream with a voice so deep I make Mount Gulg tremble in fear.

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Originally Posted by REPROBEAN_CHILD

Because gendered items have become THAT important to have arguments involving political jargon? It even stopped being about the items in question.

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That moment when logic becomes "politics" just because someone doesn't understand it.

sound like people want ffxiv to become more sandbox I don't I think whole glamour thing is over used I rather ffxiv not use glamour as much people want glamour this glamour companion glamour bst pets. I rather devs make new interesting things like dragonling companion like bst as a jobs. like puppetmaster as job whether it limit or not I like see ffxiv limit glamour more.

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Originally Posted by Jasmyne

And what are the odds that a Male character will look like me now, in my gender/racial specific gear? Zero. It's really not that much of a fallacy.

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In order to get to zero chance you had to add a specific condition, ie male characters. You're ignoring that since Viera have limited options from being restricted to a smaller choice of appearances that the chance that someone has the same appearance as you goes up.

If we want variety, gear definitely needs to be unlocked. Some people may value things other than variety, but I find it hard to see how locks increase variety. They only enforce certain aesthetics (for example mages only wear robes) that not everyone will agree with.

Comparing outfits to classes also doesn't really work because classes are one single whole item while outfits aren't. If this game did not have classes, but instead had skills that you could mix and match, then we would have some similarity between combat and glamour and in that case, race/class/whatever locks would restrict us instead of enhancing variety. Beyond that thought, combat and character are two different things so it's not all that surprising to me that people might have different opinions on one vs the other. I like finding challenges in combat, limitations can help with that. When I find difficulty in getting my character to look the way I want, it's frustrating, not fun.

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Originally Posted by Savagelf

sound like people want ffxiv to become more sandbox I don't I think whole glamour thing is over used I rather ffxiv not use glamour as much people want glamour this glamour companion glamour bst pets. I rather devs make new interesting things like dragonling companion like bst as a jobs. like puppetmaster as job whether it limit or not I like see ffxiv limit glamour more.

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I see literally nothing here implying people want ffxiv to become a sandbox game, just that they want more options in terms of glamours for RP reasons, which is a huge part as to why some people play an MMORPG rather than a single player RPG.

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Originally Posted by Savagelf

sound like people want ffxiv to become more sandbox I don't I think whole glamour thing is over used I rather ffxiv not use glamour as much people want glamour this glamour companion glamour bst pets. I rather devs make new interesting things like dragonling companion like bst as a jobs. like puppetmaster as job whether it limit or not I like see ffxiv limit glamour more.

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Generally speaking, glamour for gear is "necessary" because otherwise it's very hard to make your character look nice unless you have a complete set of one design of gear AND you like the design AND it's valid gear for the content you're doing. 90% of the time "deglamoured" gear looks like a fashion disaster of mismatched styles.

Also, the art team working on gear design will not take away from the gameplay team working on gameplay innovations.

Nothing is unique. Almost everyone wears the newest glamour items. There's probably another player out there with the same looks as you. Like i said more hairstyles and more glamour options that is less likely.