YoRHa/NieR alliance raid 5.0

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Originally Posted by Daralii

But I want Virtuous Contact specifically. :(

There are plenty of other weapons anyway. Longswords, greatswords, spears, combat braces(fist weapons), an axe, and daggers.

https://nierautomata.wiki.fextralife.com/Weapons

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Yeah. Now, I know alliance raids don't normally come with weapons, but for this crossover I feel NOT having some weapons would be a huge wasted opportunity so I REALLY hope they put some in. I'm also hoping for some gear sets based on Nier and Automata characters. Like a ninja set themed after Kaine with her twin swords, mostly Ninja as it's our only dual wield job.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

Yeah. Now, I know alliance raids don't normally come with weapons, but for this crossover I feel NOT having some weapons would be a huge wasted opportunity so I REALLY hope they put some in. I'm also hoping for some gear sets based on Nier and Automata characters. Like a ninja set themed after Kaine with her twin swords, mostly Ninja as it's our only dual wield job.

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Personally, I'd rather see weapons added as strictly glamour so they don't have to consider about mucking up the end-game balance at all. Either earned as a reward from an additional weekly sidequest similar to the one associated with Proto-Ultime from the Mhach series or just purchased from an NPC associated with the Raid series upon completion of certain events/sidequests.

Also want to point out, that while the Blood sword was once a reward in DS, it was simply lifted from the Gold Saucer. My theory is that they always planned to replace the Succubus fight with Proto-Ultima and kinda threw that weapon in there as an additional reward as well until she was replaced.

However, as was briefly mentioned, the Proto-Ultima fight does establish a precedent for variance in the formula. As this fight had an associated sidequest where players could earn an additional weekly token that allowed them to purchase a unique body glam or accessories (some of which were actually BiS at the time of release). So for those pointing out that they've never had weapons in a 24-man series before... Proto-Ultima is the only instance thus far where accessories were included as part of 24-man raid content, and it was further isolated to only the final act of the Mhach raid series.

I'm sure that the developers are aware that players would like to see weapons or weapon glamour from Nier, so something similar could be executed for the final part of Yorha. Like I said, personally I'd rather just see them as glamours, but if the weapons were actually at a "competitive" ilevel (either 10 or 5 levels below the ilvl of augmented upgraded tome/savage gear) then I think they should have a steeper purchase requirement. Perhaps one of each acts token currency, so players could only purchase one weapon per week upon the initial release of the content, and by doing so they are also foregoing the purchase of the free upgrade item for tome equipment.


Second... while I would also love to see Kaine glamour, I would hope that it is a level 1 glam not restricted to roles. Personally, I don't like how they restricted character glamour from the Ivalice series (f.e., Vaan, Balthier, Ramza, Agrias sets). While these characters all have a starting job, through the course of the actual game players are free to do whatever they want to do with them as far as roles are concerned. However, these characters appearances don't adjust to role changes. Vaan always looks like Vaan no matter what weapon he's wielding, ditto for Ramza and Agrias when taking on different jobs.

It was only the "generic" unit appearances from FFT that were strictly restricted to the associated jobs. Meta-comps aside, I could have used Balthier as my healer the entire time through FFXII if I wanted, so my personal association to him would be as a healer/mage. I find it unfortunate that they decided to role lock these characters' iconic appearances in their implementation into FFXIV.

In the 5.0 raid series, I fully expect to get at least one act to have Yorha variant gear for all roles. But any gear that is a direct reference to a character I hope is strictly glamour and not locked to any one role. Kaine gear, Emil Masks, Automaton suits, etc... let it all be level 1 glam pls...

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

Bolts are the 8 man normal mode system, these are Alliance raids and, if they follow the formula, would have four bosses in on instance with random loot drops with a weekly lockout once you get a piece.

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I am aware.. i have been playing this game a long time, perhaps i should not have generalized bolts, etc.. either way both systems of loot is utter junk.
I would rather the weapons be tied to something outside of the raid tbh

https://i.imgur.com/lzsmTdM.jpg

BECOME AS GODS.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

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BECOME AS GODS.

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seems legit

you forgot about the recent divorce subplot though...

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

Yeah. Now, I know alliance raids don't normally come with weapons, but for this crossover I feel NOT having some weapons would be a huge wasted opportunity so I REALLY hope they put some in.

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What about the Monster Hunter world crossover event? The gear is a joke, considering NOTHING looks like ANY of the MH gear you see in any of the games. Yoshi-P's excuse was insulting as is, saying the gear from MH wouldn't be something the crafters would be able to make during a LLP after the events release, which came to question. Yet MHW got a full scale DRG armor set both as armor equippable or glamour skin over the current gear. I wouldn't be surprised if Squeenix came up with an excuse like this as well, saying "well, it doesn't fit into the game"

Awesome...and I just finished my 2B cosplay too :D

Now I need to finish the game haha..gives me motivation! I've been playing RE2 and KH3. Anyway we got a while till this comes out..I'm sure I'll beat Nier by then!

So instead of picking names and looks for places/enemies/attacks/npcs from real world religion/cults/myths/culture they now gonna pick them from a video game? NO WAY!!!

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Originally Posted by Neophyte

So instead of picking names and looks for places/enemies/attacks/npcs from real world religion/cults/myths/culture they now gonna pick them from a video game? NO WAY!!!

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..... You do realize this has been a collab that a LOT of players have been asking for for a long time right? And from what I understand the lead dev in the NieR series is quite talented so I'm expecting a really fun raid.

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Originally Posted by Transient_Shadow

..... You do realize this has been a collab that a LOT of players have been asking for for a long time right? And from what I understand the lead dev in the NieR series is quite talented so I'm expecting a really fun raid.

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I think you misunderstood, this was sarcasmn. I don't mind getting some Nier-inspired stuff instead of original (/s) stuff like gryphins, cyclopses, some hebrew words or star systems.

I mean the last trial arc was the four lords... how os that more 'original' in the slightest than something which instead reminds of Nier?
If you can make the Shishin into the four lords you can also make YoRHa some group in the garlean empire.

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Originally Posted by Transient_Shadow

..... You do realize this has been a collab that a LOT of players have been asking for for a long time right? And from what I understand the lead dev in the NieR series is quite talented so I'm expecting a really fun raid.

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I think a lot of people will make a different between a series of event quests taking place outside of the plot and recognized as not canon...and 3 raid instances recognized as canon.

I saw a LOT of justifications of ffxiii as a event separate from the plot, which is why it was included and totally acceptable and they would never take things so far...and now we have this.

They should go farther. Get Toriyama or Miyazaki (dark souls or spirited away, doesn't matter) or Mikami or Suda 51 or SWERY.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

I think a lot of people will make a different between a series of event quests taking place outside of the plot and recognized as not canon...and 3 raid instances recognized as canon.

I saw a LOT of justifications of ffxiii as a event separate from the plot, which is why it was included and totally acceptable and they would never take things so far...and now we have this.

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And since it will be canon, they should make it fit with ffxiv, so let's wait and see how it would turn out to be.

I want the Neon Genesis Evangelion cross over.

Allagan's have all the tech to make evas so it should work.

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

I want the Neon Genesis Evangelion cross over.

Allagan's have all the tech to make evas so it should work.

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Third Impact = Third Calamity?

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Originally Posted by Arkdra

They should go farther. Get Toriyama or Miyazaki (dark souls or spirited away, doesn't matter) or Mikami or Suda 51 or SWERY.

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I doubt they're going to step outside of SE, but maybe they could do something with dragon quest, bravely default, octopath traveler, chorono trigger etc...

I get that a lot of folks wanted this colab and the game looks pretty neat as well! But Motobikes, Pimp mobiles and now this it's like Eorzea is becoming the junkyard of worlds with no real identity of it's own. Or am I missing something with this genre of MMO Is it common for all these crossovers?

Kinda seems like just a advert for Nier: Automata. Next we'll see the WoL turn to face the camera during a cut scene holding a strategically placed can of Coke.

Saying that this is exactly the reason I always keep one girl character so I don't miss out on all the cute girl clothes like in Nier :P

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Third Impact = Third Calamity?

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Maybe the first impact was the thing that plunged Hydaelyn and Zodiark (Lilith and Adan) from the aethersea into this chaos of reflections.

Ascians might be the successors of SEELE.

While I respect people’s opinion that say they don’t like the idea of main content in this game including other games, either because it’s unoriginal or perhaps lazy, to me it reinforces the XIV lore that our world is the source, and there are many shards mirroring our world. So the other games that are included as a part of our world is simply an extension metaphysicaly that there are variations from another shard.
I don’t know, it makes me happy :-)

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Originally Posted by Driven

While I respect people’s opinion that say they don’t like the idea of main content in this game including other games, either because it’s unoriginal or perhaps lazy, to me it reinforces the XIV lore that our world is the source, and there are many shards mirroring our world. So the other games that are included as a part of our world is simply an extension metaphysicaly that there are variations from another shard.
I don’t know, it makes me happy :-)

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I mean... Square-Enix metaverse.

So we heading to the stupidity levels of comics HAHAHHAHAHA

Hmmm... Wonder if we are gonna have a CRISIS too, hey SE, why don't you make ANOTHER Final Fantasy movie. We kinda need a bit of shaking up arround these parts!

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Originally Posted by Nyvara

I get that a lot of folks wanted this colab and the game looks pretty neat as well! But Motobikes, Pimp mobiles and now this it's like Eorzea is becoming the junkyard of worlds with no real identity of it's own. Or am I missing something with this genre of MMO Is it common for all these crossovers?

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Crossovers aren't a new concept but they do seem to be putting most of their eggs in FF XIV's basket recently. It makes me wonder just how bad of a hit SE took by having to cancel all those FF XV DLCs.

I've made up my mind I guess so I guess I'll delete my comments since they don't apply anymore? Would people mind editing?

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Originally Posted by DevonEllwood

This seems like it's toeing a fine line to me. I'm going to remain optimistic, and I'm completely okay with a similar story and artistic elements as the other game. I'm not looking forward to the characters and I don't want to have another story where I'm confused because it requires you to play the other game to understand. I think I'm going to treat it as people did Eureka: I'll look into it, but if it's not going to be something I want to see in the game again, I'm just skipping it. If there's enough people skipping it, they will take notice of it. So far, it just looks like a desperate attempt to get people interested in their other games by plugging it into this one.

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But Automata did extremely well, and is still really popular. Why would the higher ups even want a new wave of sales for it when they'd have to split the profits between the inhouse developers and Platinum?

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Originally Posted by DevonEllwood

This seems like it's toeing a fine line to me. I'm going to remain optimistic, and I'm completely okay with a similar story and artistic elements as the other game. I'm not looking forward to the characters and I don't want to have another story where I'm confused because it requires you to play the other game to understand. I think I'm going to treat it as people did Eureka: I'll look into it, but if it's not going to be something I want to see in the game again, I'm just skipping it. If there's enough people skipping it, they will take notice of it. So far, it just looks like a desperate attempt to get people interested in their other games by plugging it into this one.

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Automata's story is actually mostly self contained, other than people who didn't play Nier not knowing

who Devola/Popola/Emil are

but beyond that, the events of both Nier games are so far apart that you really don't need to play the previous games to get it. Not that Automata cant' be confusing on its own terms, but if anything bringing in Nier 1 would only complicate Automata's story rather than clarify.

When I first heard about this I was pretty buttmad too(and I’m a pretty big Taro fan). But then, while I still don’t think they’ll make a convincing fit into a story with this, I feel that so much can be done.

What I am hoping is that they do keep the same structure as the rest of the 24 mans with Nier/Drakengard gear being a drop for each role. This isn’t an event fate or trial unrelated to story anymore, so glamour only gear from late game content would be distasteful.

Secondly, I’m hoping for more than Automata lore as well. Since it’s Yoko Taro, I don’t think I really have to worry about that too much honestly. He still made a ton of references to Nier 1 and had a lot of lore outside of the game, so him just sticking to Automata doesn’t seem likely.

Finally, I’m hoping that them implementing his stuff as a main part of the content maybe means savage raids(or at least an option), with the 3rd act/branch being nearly savage level. This I doubt will happen, but I think it would be a nice touch.

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Originally Posted by DevonEllwood

Okay, I'm even more confused. This game is a series? I was specifying I don't want to have to play the game the raid is based off of to understand what the raid is about. I was pretty confused by the ending of the last 24 man raid enough as is. The only game I played in that series was Tactics Advance and that was a long time ago.

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Yeah it's a series, it's also sort of related to some of the Drakengard series which is pretty old. The series was sort of a cult classic until it blew up with Automata recently. It's pretty popular now.

/shrug You don't need to know the ins and outs of the story to enjoy the combat or the fights they will put in. You might not appreciate it as much as someone who knows the context surrounding it though. Just treat it like a bunch of boss fights that are themed after something else.

A lot of the game are kind of throwbacks to other FF anyway, like the recent Omega series. You can still do the fights even if you don't know where Alte Roite is from, or Guardian.

The think about all of Drakengard and Nier... none of them are connected... despite all of them being connected. It's like a cronenberg Final Fantasy. Even still, NieR Automata seems the most disconnected of them all in my foolish opinion.

On a completely unrelated point I much prefer the original Japanese title of Drakengard, "Drag on Dragoon", but "Drakengard" is much easier to refer to in both speech and text, unfortunately.

Some of you all keep saying they’re not connected....but they are(even Automata). However the genius is that they are all standalone games, so you don’t need to know the lore of the previous games to enjoy each one. It would enhance your experience(if you love the backstory games), but the games are great as is.

Like I get the other games didn’t age that well/are cult classics, but no need to downplay his writing. There are novellas written because the story is so vast.

And events like Yo-kai watch and Power Rangers were connected to FFXIV? Or Monster Hunter which is permanent content in FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Freyt

The think about all of Drakengard and Nier... none of them are connected... despite all of them being connected. It's like a cronenberg Final Fantasy. Even still, NieR Automata seems the most disconnected of them all in my foolish opinion.

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That is incorrect and the fact is that they are all very well connected... from Dragkengard to Nier, the tale is actually embedded within for anyone who plays through all the games thoroughly... therein lies one of the facets of Taro's genius. The concept arts are also phenomenal all across all the games and I seriously hope we get most of them as rewards from the raids.

To understand how Automata in particular connects to the other games, one has to play NieR Replica (not Gesalt) and get all four or five endings which then gives a clear understanding of how the tale segways into Nier Automata. All the tales, from Dragengard to Automata are indeed almost stand alone but they are all still fundamentally connected. Automata, being the last in the saga, is the one that really attempts to give a lasting resolution to the weave... the feels in it's amazing tale really kicks in when you see A2 swap to her heavy armour

https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets...jpg?1516362482

Speaking of the heavy armour an artist made one for 9S...

https://i.redd.it/3uknc7yco3e11.jpg

Returning back on tangent, you know you're playing the right version of Nier if this chap is your character...

https://sep.yimg.com/ca/I/animebooks..._103429963.jpg

https://sep.yimg.com/ca/I/animebooks..._102484863.jpg

You'll also have a much deeper appreciation for Kaine's charcater (in either Gesalt or Replica) by the third playthrough and this helps fill in the pieces in the tales. For this reason, she still remains one of my favourite in the entire saga. And of course, wonderful Emil, whose actions sometimes seem baffling or mysterious but his heart is so very pure. Its no wonder Taro wears Emil's head in interviews.

https://sep.yimg.com/ca/I/animebooks..._102959499.jpg

Finally, if you don't mind spoilers or have played the games already, you might also want to watch this video which helps to understand all the summary timelines and interconnected plots.

Jump to around 23.00 minutes into the video to see the connection between Replica and Automata.

1.) Freyt's point was, outside of Drakengard 2 which didn't have Taro on the team, you could play any DrakenNieR game without playing any of the others and still get enjoyment out of it (well, story wise atleast for Drakengard and when the framerate isn't bad for Drakengard 3). But you do get MORE enjoyment for NieR if you know Drakengard's story, and the same for Automata if you know NieR and Drakengard's story.

2.) The only difference between NieR Gestalt and Replicant is in relation to Nier's age and thus relationship with Yonah and certain character development from before and after the timeskip. Otherwise its essentially the same game. While Replicant is PROBABLY the canonish one, Automata does reference both versions.

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Originally Posted by Dualblade

1.) Freyt's point was, outside of Drakengard 2 which didn't have Taro on the team, you could play any DrakenNieR game without playing any of the others and still get enjoyment out of it (well, story wise atleast for Drakengard and when the framerate isn't bad for Drakengard 3). But you do get MORE enjoyment for NieR if you know Drakengard's story, and the same for Automata if you know NieR and Drakengard's story.

2.) The only difference between NieR Gestalt and Replicant is in relation to Nier's age and thus relationship with Yonah and certain character development from before and after the timeskip. Otherwise its essentially the same game. While Replicant is PROBABLY the canonish one, Automata does reference both versions.

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First off, Replicant is the canon... not probably... and was released mainly in Japan.

Gesalt on the other hand was created with an older looking main character so as to cater to the US and mature audiences on the overseas market. One of the premise being that the younger version of Nier may not be palatable to the audiences who prefered to have hulk-sized main characters as seen in games like Gears of War.

This also explains why the story had to be "adjusted" to reflect Yohna as the daughter and not the sister. There were also other minor dynamics within the tale that were changed but nothing exceptionally mind bending... I personally played both and found Replicant slightly more enjoyable. And darn it, I was so busy speed typing that I just realized I wrote "Replica" instead of "Replicant" in almost all the instances in my previous post. Little matter... you get the idea.

Secondly, I was directly responding to Freyt's comment that "Automata seems the most disconnected of them all in my foolish opinion". That was the basis for my explanations above including the link I provided for the video which helped explain the lore connection for Automata to the other tales.

And what are you on about framerates for the Drakengard 3 game? I believe it was a PS3 exclusive and it ran smoothly on both my PS3s (the original 60 gigs fat and the slim)... so what areas of the game exactly did you experience framerates issues?

Drakengard 2 plays off events as if Drakengard 1 never happened. You'll know more about the world and why certain characters are relevant, but you don't have to play Drakengard 1 to get the "full" experience out of Drakengard 2.

The argument you're making seems as if you're either intentionally being obtuse, or you don't understand what I'm saying.

And Drakengard 3 did have framerate issues. I never felt they were as bad as people were saying, but it definitely had them. That's from a best in the biz backwards compatible ps3. I'm not sure you actually played the games instead of simply reading about the story? You're naturally going to feel the story is much more involved when you read up on it.

Quite bluntly, even though Manah is in D2, her past is rarely mentioned and isn't relevant. In D3 it's even worse. NieR barely takes place in the same world, and NieR: Automata is so far off that the one returning character doesn't give a shit anymore, even though somehow Kaine's house survived for all that time.

Also, Old Man NieR is Taro approved.

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Originally Posted by Freyt

NieR: Automata is so far off that the one returning character doesn't give a shit anymore...

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Three things...

One, there is no need to swear in your post... it's immature, I absolutely abhor it and ironically, it makes you sound obtuse.

Two, I have been a fan of the series since 2004, have indeed played every single one of those games and obtained their various endings... and for Automata, I got all 26 endings and my PSN trophy stands at 91% completion. I had initially thought I got just 21 endings but I just checked my backup saves and realized I did in fact get all 26... a backup is necessary because one of the endings deletes your saves. Making comments that I didn't play the games is just you exhibiting petulance.

Three, if you had framerates issues, that's unfortunate... my post above categorically explains that I personally didn't have them and any real PS3 expert is well aware that there are certain methods for fixing that. Besides, framerate issues was not the foundation of this discussion ...(at least until someone else brought it up)... but rather how to reconcile the storyline of Automata with the other games.

...Did you even play NieR if you think swearing makes one sound immature? XD

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Originally Posted by Dualblade

...Did you even play NieR if you think swearing makes one sound immature? XD

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I see... pictures or it didn't happen, yes?

https://i.imgur.com/2MXE9Ib.png

https://i.imgur.com/JepBH1z.png


Now, the ball is in your court... you prove to me that you played the Nier games.

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Originally Posted by Ramesses

I see... pictures or it didn't happen, yes?

Now, the ball is in your court... you prove to me that you played the Nier games.

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You missed their point. They weren't actually challenging your claims about you playing these games. It was a rhetorical question.
It was meant to highlight the fact that you were being pedantic about someone 'swearing' while also claiming to be a fan of Drakengard and NieR games which have their own lot of swearing which you seem to hate so much.

Also, if you can't stand one single 'bad word' being used in a very common expression... I recommand avoiding video game forums where colloquialism is quite common.

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Originally Posted by Ramesses

Three, if you had framerates issues, that's unfortunate... my post above categorically explains that I personally didn't have them and any real PS3 expert is well aware that there are certain methods for fixing that.

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Why would there be methods of fixing framerate issues if there were no framerate issues?

This is what being obtuse means. Using the word "shit" has nothing to do with being obtuse. It means you're claiming to have limited knowledge, when you actually have that knowledge. Though at this point, it seems you just googled what we were talking about and without looking into what any "fixes" actually entailed, just confirmed that someone claimed a "fix" and then mentioned you found one.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

You missed their point. They weren't actually challenging your claims about you playing these games. It was a rhetorical question.
It was meant to highlight the fact that you were being pedantic about someone 'swearing' while also claiming to be a fan of Drakengard and NieR games which have their own lot of swearing which you seem to hate so much.

Also, if you can't stand one single 'bad word' being used in a very common expression... I recommand avoiding video game forums where colloquialism is quite common.

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Not sure why you suddenly chimed in Fyce, but by all means do feel free to rattle on... free public space, mate.

There was nothing rhetorical about that question, it was clearly direct... so shelve that argument, you're simply arriving at your own assumptions. Also, the baseless use of obscenities is actually against this forum's rules... I likewise recommend and invite you to actually have a read. Ironically, I know how to swear very fluently in all four languages I speak... however, refraining from swearing on these forums is one of the elements that separates us from most of the other chaotic gaming forums out there.

That said, my discussions with you are done.

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Originally Posted by Freyt

Why would there be methods of fixing framerate issues if there were no framerate issues?

This is what being obtuse means. Using the word "shit" has nothing to do with being obtuse. It means you're claiming to have limited knowledge, when you actually have that knowledge. Though at this point, it seems you just googled what we were talking about and without looking into what any "fixes" actually entailed, just confirmed that someone claimed a "fix" and then mentioned you found one.

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I'm actually also done discussing with you since it is obvious I cannot establish an avenue of civility.