Carbuncle mounts have arrived!

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Originally Posted by Lathander81

Explain how her comment was entitled?

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Did you read it? What about the signature?

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

You do realize that the vast majority of items in the Cash shop were at one point available in-game, right? Insinuating that all 183 items are all content designed exclusively for the cash shop is incorrect.

As for your signature, you're way too upset about this. Maybe you should take a few steps back to simmer down.

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So just because the seasonal items were available in the game, its ok to have $18 outfits just in time for Stormblood? If anything it plays to her point because not they are gating more content that was in the game at one point.

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Originally Posted by Lathander81

So just because the seasonal items were available in the game, its ok to have $18 outfits just in time for Stormblood? If anything it plays to her point because not they are gating more content that was in the game at one point.

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If you don't like the price, don't pay it. I personally think it's too expensive, so I am not going to buy it. Obviously judging by the amount of Carbuncle mounts I have seen + the outfit, many people don't agree with you.

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Originally Posted by Lathander81

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Originally Posted by Roda

Yep putting my hands over my eyes and going "lalalalala" whenever I hear a mount whistle totally makes it so that the mog station isn't being rubbed in my face! 100% completely ignored! It's like there isn't over $1000 worth of content gated away from me!. . . .

And yes "this boils down" to me being angry that once again my gameplay experience is valued less than someone who could play this game on a spreadsheet and have fun.. . . .'Cause no amount of fussing over my opinion is going to stop me from, sometime in the future, determining that this game costs more than its worth.

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Sound’s pretty “me-me-me” mentality to me. At least the bolded parts do.

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Originally Posted by Lathander81

So just because the seasonal items were available in the game, its ok to have $18 outfits just in time for Stormblood? If anything it plays to her point because not they are gating more content that was in the game at one point.

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If people think the $18 carbuncle outfits are too much, it’s quite simple what you do: don’t buy them.

As for the outfits in general, I fail to see how they have actively prevented new outfits/glamour items to be added into the game. And this is regards to all the outfits in there: from NPC to the Chinese/Korean outfits (which, the players in China and Korea had to pay real money for those, too, so any asking for them to added or JP/NA/EU for free is the definition of entitled) to the Carby outfits.

I feel you’re talking specifically about the Fuga Attire here based on your “before Stormblood dropped” comment—after Stormblood dropped, guess what? Not only was there the Taoist outfit added in as a crafted recipe, but the Ao Dai and the Autumn dress/shirts as well after Lost Canals dropped. 2 FULL brand new outfits (one of which was in extremely high demand), a dress, and a shirt for each gender added as crafted recipes in-game versus the one Fuga Attire.

I'd throw a fit if SE started gating cosmetics behind loot boxes similar to ESO or other games, but that isn't the case.

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Originally Posted by Lathander81

Tell me why they NEED to have outfits exclusive and mount exclusives in a subgame? At least in Destiny and Battlefront there are not monthly subs.

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Because their B2P model is designed in such a way, that they'll expect a certain amount of revenue to be made through microtransactions. IE: Loot boxes, as well as the first two "expansions" with Destiny 2 (which seem to be $20 each.) This means that they don't expect every player to be buying things in their cash shop, but hope it'll attract enough players that'll buy something here and there (or if they're lucky, attract a few whales that'll spend a lot of money.).
Then there's also Destiny 2, that tried to make expansion purchases mandatory, by locking base game content behind expansion gear levels.

XIV's P2P model is mostly designed around the fact that players pay a set amount per month (whether entry or normal subscriptions), while additional retainers and microtransactions are extra revenue.
Do they need it? Nope, but it allowed them to use that extra money to move the EU servers to a datacenter located in the EU, as well as the NA datacenter move.

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Originally Posted by KeyboardFacerollname

Has anyone got a video of the emote? Preferably on a FemRoe?

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Lo, and behold, reddit got you covered.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

If people think the $18 carbuncle outfits are too much, it’s quite simple what you do: don’t buy them.

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Yes - and come to the forums to vent about it.

Because...

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

It’s important to remember, though, that people are allowed to vent when they feel frustrated. There’s nothing wrong with ranting from time to time.

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As such, we probably should make a consolidated cash shop complaint thread at some point to bump whenever something new is added. It might not be sustained year-round, but it happens often enough to warrant one.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

Yes - and come to the forums to vent about it.

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While I stand by my post about ranting from time to time, there’s ranting, and then there’s acting like that one poster who is getting extremely bent out of shape and basically demanding that everything be as such to satisfy them. If they honestly feel like this game is worth “too much” with all the optional content on top of subscription/expansion fees, or that it’s “not worth enough” because said optional content is not available to them for free, then perhaps it is time for them to sit back and consider if they still want to actually continue on with the game.

Also helps when they aren’t just outright vitriolic towards people that disagree with them.

There is also a huge difference between venting about a crappy DF run (which is what my quote about ranting is actually about—and it is in response to the same person who claimed that anyone who “gets angry on a forum” is “the person with the problem”, so context is also important there), and the types of rants I see about the cash shop, or even external DLC in general. Being upset about it is fine, but claim it as fact that the Mogstation is “taking away from content in-game” (especially when there are more mounts/glamours added directly into the game as opposed to the cash shop), to call people that want to spend their money on vanity items names, or claiming said people are “enabling” some “P2W formula” is a bit crossing the line, in my opinion.

They stopped short? Wheres the ruby, diamond, and Onyx versions? As long as they keep putting stuff as good looking as this in the cash shop they're always going to find people willing to fork over $$$ for it. Hate it if you want, but it's good business and SE is in the business of making $$$.

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Originally Posted by Sakuraluna

But what would the guy they're paying to make it be working on if cash shop items weren't occupying his time? Guess we'll never know.

The amount of playable content being added per patch has shrunk over time.

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He wouldn't have a job any longer, or simply be shifted to another aspect of the game. It's not uncommon to have developers shifted around between projects.

And this has little to do with the cash shop. A couple mounts, outfits and an emote wouldn't have made Eureka release any faster. Content has felt barren this patch cycle because they focused more on incredibly niche audiences aka Ultimate, Rival Wings and Perform.

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Originally Posted by Teraluna

Seen a few of these around now, ridden by various races.
They look good for lalas, but seem a bit squashed for the larger races.
Maybe a bit more scaling up needed?

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This exactly, I like the mount but it's so squashed on my non-lalas.

If anyone is interested I can post images of a male of every race but Roe on the Citrine Carbuncle.

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

I bought it because they use mogstation things to do things like the did with giving us new servers and things like that but yes these things should just be in quests in the game..

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Except (and please correct me if I'm wrong, folks) a sizable chunk of profit SE makes from this game doesn't even go back into FFXIV; they reallocate it to other games and such.

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Originally Posted by NoctisXV

So what can we expect as next step SE ? A new Job to buy exclusively on MogStation for the next expansion ?

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What a stretch.

+2 INT/STR on set bonus, next jump is DNC job unlock quest as set bonus.

People really are grasping at straws.

Another mount I won't buy. I'm not even surprised that most of the "nice" and fun things go to the mog shop any more. The bear was a nice surprise yet now I can't help but feel that they hoped we wouldn't feel short-changed with these latest additions to the cash shop because of that cute little bear in a Santa hat.

As much as I want certain things- emotes and dances, mostly- I can't justify paying for them when I already pay a monthly sub. I can certainly afford the things I want. But I feels like such a scam every time I see something that could be earned in-game go to the shop with no other option than to buy it. Sorry SE, I know you want to bleed me dry if I'll let you, but I don't even pay for microtransactions on crappy phone games- I know a raw deal when I see one.

Not everything sold in a store needs to be bought by a customer, even if they happen to desire those things. If we're honest with ourselves how many of us have purchased a mount from the Mog Station or worked hard in-game to acquire one only to use it a few times and then never touch it again?

ok but....where are the earrings???

What's next? Carbuncle bardings?

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Originally Posted by EorzeaHero69

What's next? Carbuncle bardings?

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Yus please ºωº

I'm good with Carbuncle. Ima pass on the outfit and the emote and all that but I did buy the topaz mount, which is not bad given that it's account wide.

As far as selling things that used to be in game, there's nothing wrong with it, BUT, it would help immensely if they continued to make more new outfits, mounts, and so on. Starlight bear and werewolf outfit aside, there have been many, many less holiday outfits, holiday emotes, (and burn me down for this one if you like, but...) swimsuits and the like, in the last year or so. There's nothing wrong with selling the old ones, if anything that beats not being able to get them at all, but people feel super ripped off because all they CAN do is buy old ones for cash, rather than expecting to find fresh new versions each holiday like we were able to do a couple years ago. Again, I know they haven't stopped entirely, but no one likes to feel pressured to pay real money for old things just because they're late to the party. They have to know how much more glamour means to most people than just a few house decorations. After all, everyone can glamour, not everyone has a house. Or even an apartment, if you're on Balmung and the like. So hey, maybe toss a glamour suit into every holiday again like it was. People will still buy old ones, but new players will also feel as cared about as veterans ever were, and veterans can keep expanding that collection. ^_^

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'm disappointed. Not because they're available on the Mog Station but because I was hoping that they would be available in exchange for achievement certificates. It was implemented as a system and yet there is nothing new associated with it - so for anyone who already acquired the veteran rewards there's literally nothing for them to spend achievement certificates on.

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I would have loved if they used the achievement certificates as a way to buy cash shop stuff instead of making them the necessary currency for old veteran reward items. This way people who dont want to do achievements can buy them and the rest can play the game and get them through that.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

They're still making mounts available in-game. I'll start worrying when that is no longer the case. It's a common business tactic in the present day for MMO's to have optional items for sale regardless of the presence of a subscription fee. Is it ideal? Not necessarily - but then many people, if given the opportunity, would rather have everything for free. That Square Enix has multiple ways to acquire more money should not be a surprise to anybody.

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And strangely most of the wanted mounts are stuck behind cash shop and most of them even look better. Look at the details of the mog mount or the carbuncles and then back to something like the flying couch. I am not saying that we dont get mounts but a lot of them are re-colors of one (like the primal mounts) existing mount. I mean I was positively surprised that we got that bear mount for christmas but I wished that we would have gotten at least one version of the carbuncles ingame and the other in the cash shop. I mean at least in the past we got the bird ingame and later with better music in the cash shop. Or the magitek mounts that are mostly just re-colors in the cash shop so unlike you want all mounts or just like the color better you dont need to buy it, because you already own a version of it. With Sleipnir, the mogry one and the carbuncles you cant get it ingame at all.

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Honestly in the end I am just tired of them saying that the cash shop finances itself and yet they feel the need to use such huge prices. Yoshida once said that putting the event stuff there was not for money making but for giving people the chance to own the items. But the prices are way too high, especially for the housing items. I mean they sell retainers, fantasia and the weddings through the cash shop. Those alone should earn the cash shop more than enough money to pay for it for years. Why not make those items way cheaper?

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Honestly in the end I am just tired of them saying that the cash shop finances itself and yet they feel the need to use such huge prices. Yoshida once said that putting the event stuff there was not for money making but for giving people the chance to own the items. But the prices are way too high, especially for the housing items. I mean they sell retainers, fantasia and the weddings through the cash shop. Those alone should earn the cash shop more than enough money to pay for it for years. Why not make those items way cheaper?

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I have all event items because I never missed a single seasonal event since 2013. But I agree with this. I'd support it if you guys made a petition to ask for lower seasonal event cash price, or exchange them for achievement points, or even gil.

Does anyone else think the sizing for Au Ra and
Miquote is off. I have a Lala male, Au Ra female and Roe male characters and the mount looks awesome on both the lala and roe but my Au fem looks like she is riding the lala mount and that if she just straightened her legs she could just pick the mount up and walk him around. Like an adult riding a child’s bike. It bugs me as the other two look perfectly normal

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Originally Posted by Indefiinable

Does anyone else think the sizing for Au Ra and
Miquote is off. I have a Lala male, Au Ra female and Roe male characters and the mount looks awesome on both the lala and roe but my Au fem looks like she is riding the lala mount and that if she just straightened her legs she could just pick the mount up and walk him around. Like an adult riding a child’s bike. It bugs me as the other two look perfectly normal

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Sizing doesn't really bother me on my Miqo. Though she's the shortest she can be. I kinda like the sizing of the mount for her--it's like a giant Carbuncle teddy bear she can snuggle with. :3

I can't help but /facepalm when I see the mounts going for $24 USD while the entire game + xpacs is on sale for $30...

Course, I can't say a whole lot when I have a hairdo that came along with an outfit for $15.

I think I bought 2 or 3 mounts on the WoW cash shop years ago, but only when they were on sale at 50-75% off during this time of year. Funny thing? I think I used each of them maybe once.

I've yet to buy a mount from the cash shop in this game...don't see the need for any of them. I mean, I have ~60 mounts in this game currently and tend to only use one at a time (ADS mount from shatter is current mount of choice).

To each their own, though. Other people spending money on these mounts (that have been in demand, as a concept at least, for a while) don't directly impact me at all. I suppose it could be argued that people buying these in droves could be an indirect impact, but that's one heck of a stretch.

Yikes, folks really are mad. You don't NEED anything in there to play this game the exact same way as anyone else, cash shop items or not. The mount price is too expensive for some and obviously, not too expensive for others. If I could pay $24 for that tiger mount, I'd certainly buy it without hesitation. To me, $24 has less value than my time grinding seals endlessly. I can understand being upset it's not free but does it really make sense to be mad people are paying actual money to support the game you care enough about to come complain about a mount you can't have?

Apart from thinking the bunkle mounts look hilarious on my male Au Ra, my one meh with the thing is that the horns of aura clip into the carbunkle on the clothing. It shouldn't be that hard to make that not happen, and there is just enough clipping in this game already. I love the look of a bunkle on my shoulder.. I'd just like to not stab it with a horn..

They look cool, but I'll be voting with my wallet by not buying it.

We already pay for the game and the expansions. The sub is supposed to pay for server costs and new non-expansion content. This should have been some in-game achievement or farmable reward. I wouldn't care if it was in the cash shop in addition to the game, so people who don't want to farm can buy it, but having it cash-only (at 24$ per color!) is a slap in the face. I can afford to buy both (or more if they did it), but it's a matter of principle. I'm already paying for this game. Adding an in-game way isn't giving it "for free", because the sub is not free.

Some people view it as an upgrade, like leather seats on a car, I view it as several hours of gameplay (farming) taken away from me.

But then again I'm pretty much against anything that's cash-only and not a service, so I'm biased.

So I'm not angry at people for support SE and buying it, and I'm not angry at SE for putting it on the cash shop, I'm annoyed at it being cash-ONLY.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Not everything sold in a store needs to be bought by a customer, even if they happen to desire those things. If we're honest with ourselves how many of us have purchased a mount from the Mog Station or worked hard in-game to acquire one only to use it a few times and then never touch it again?

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Why does that matter? That can be said for most things in the game including gear. The point is FF14 is double dipping and its not just for development cost. If they are boasting 10M players do they really need an over priced cashshop filled with exclusives that are game relevent?

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Originally Posted by Derio

Cash shop is helping the game.

Me, I am just waiting for an Infrit mount

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Show me! People keep saying its helping the game so what does our sub fees go to? Before you say thats not enough keep in mind they keep boasting about 10M players and if half of those people have more than 2 retainers we are talking serious cash. Also the game sales, expansions, collectors editions and items...the list goes on.

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Originally Posted by Grey-Satyr

Did you read it? What about the signature?

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Sounds like an angry customer...if you are a customer and you are not happy with your purchase you have a right to voice that disappointment.

https://i.imgur.com/Z3vIVI8.jpg

rival wings feat. carbuncle cavalry

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Originally Posted by Lathander81

Why does that matter? That can be said for most things in the game including gear. The point is FF14 is double dipping and its not just for development cost. If they are boasting 10M players do they really need an over priced cashshop filled with exclusives that are game relevent?

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It matters because a significant number of people seem to be unable to grasp the idea that some stores and optional services are simply not aimed at them. Businesses lean on optional products simply because they are effective and there are a lot of customers with a disposable income. In time, they will go on sale. It could be much, much worse.

It's not like there aren't any new mounts being added in content patches. We even got one for the latest seasonal event.

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Originally Posted by Lathander81

keep in mind they keep boasting about 10M players and if half of those people have more than 2 retainers we are talking serious cash.

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That 10 million is player accounts over the total lifespan of FFXIV (which includes bot/RMT accounts, mind you). As of LuckyBancho’s last census, there are only about 850,000 actually still active—maybe a little more than that, nearing 900,000. Either way, not anywhere close to 10 million, so talk about cash based on that number means nothing.


That being said, none of the items in the cash shop are necessary to game play. They are all optional vanity items (with the exceptions of the jump potions/story potions, but I’m not getting into a discussion over that already well-beaten horse) that people can choose to purchase, and that go in addition to the multitude of items added in-game with every patch, or choose not to purchase because they either don’t want it or disagree with the cost—to which, they can wait for a sale; SE usually has 2~3 sales a year for the cash shop.

Like I said to you in a previous comment, you complained about the addition of one outfit pre-Stormblood to the Mogstation (the Fuga Attire), and when Stormblood dropped, multiple other outfits were added in directly in-game via crafted recipes and in-game events. The Mogstation in no way “takes away” from content being released in the game.

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Originally Posted by Lathander81

Sounds like an angry customer...if you are a customer and you are not happy with your purchase you have a right to voice that disappointment.

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It sounded more like, to me, the person was angry because they want the optional items, but refuse to drop the money on them because they either don’t see the value in it, or are just being stubborn. Which is fine. But spewing vitriol at people that choose to drop money on the items in the cash shop is not the way to express their disappointment, nor is being childish in their responses to people (I recall a “bla bla bla can’t hear you”/fingers in ear comment they made in one post).

TIL companies do stuff for profit.

Look - here's a way to make it simple for those who disagree with paid carbuncle mounts. You've signed onto their TOS agreeing to whatever you get when you pay for it. Over the last 2 years I've played, we've got new mounts from beast tribes, alternating events, and so on. We've got outfits also from beast tribes, OTHER alternating events, and so on. We get a new glamour piece as showcased by Rowena almost every major patch. We got new mounts from the MSQ that we didn't have to get (HW gave us the Black choco + Midgardsomr, SB gives us the Yol). You get what you pay for according to their legal terms, everything else is extra on top.

Typically, complaints about an MMO's cash shop are that you are FORCED to spend money to EQUALIZE the playing field between spenders and non-spenders. With a paid sub like FFXIV, that is exactly a non-concern. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Nil.

The Carbuncle outsparkles your Starlight Bear? Both take 1 rider and can swim/fly, and the bear throws gifts. Jump potion pugs getting you down? Yes, an annoyance, but ultimately nothing that gives them an edge over you if you know what you're doing since it won't automatically let them beat Bahamut Ultimate like an undersynced Garuda and only saves them a bit of time getting to 60. They still get subjected to the same wait times and skill ceilings as the rest of us.

Everything in the Mog station is otherwise purely cosmetic - They are under NO contractual obligations to provide you with more than is provided in-game. You can already get the full experience with the sub plus seasonal exclusives that reward those who are actively playing at the time. They've even made life better over time, here's a sample list:

1) Unique dyes - Jet black, pure white, and all the unique metallic colours were previously ONLY mog station and untradeable. They've brought it to the game as 'General-Purpose' dyes you can get randomly from Quick Ventures.
2) 2-Seaters - Previously only available via paid EB ceremonies. There is the Astrope (2000 mentor roulettes) which, while daunting, goes by really fast in the normal course of play. And it looks better.
3) Lightning Returns and other tie-in events - a super controversial topic. It has come back MULTIPLE times FOR FREE. Breaking Brick Mountains (DQ) event that just ended? That too. Only NOW are they on Mogstation.
4) That Garo event is still ongoing. You can get an invisible shield from that plus some damn cool mounts, etc. You can buy the undyeable armors for MGP. It's still ongoing~ don't miss out~ how long as it been? 6 months? More?
5) Emotes - There isn't a single emote that you can buy that gives you an 'advantage' over others. The only emote with gameplay significance is /comfort and /beckon and... they're free!
6) Zidane/Cloud/Squall/WoL veteran rewards - Yes, a bit of a letdown for those veteran subs who feel like their 'achievement' for playing 4 years is cheapened, but I don't hear those benefiting complain about it.

The only possible argument I can see is that 2-seaters are typically harder to get, but in this game that pretty much means you get to your aetherial currents sooner, and that's really it.

Of course you are free to disagree, even violently or however you wish to disagree, but vanity is vanity. Nobody's asking you to buy it, nobody's MAKING you buy it, the game doesn't get any EASIER if you buy it, all you get is adulation and a cute mount/outfit/emote/etc. If you feel otherwise, do vote with your wallet as stated before. Unsub, don't buy it, whatever you want. Hell, start a petition online if you think it'll make the SE Board of Directors change their minds.

As for me, I COULD afford it, but I WON'T buy it because I don't NEED it.

tl;dr - It's not pay 2 win. It's not even pay 2 equalize. Get over it.

With where the cash shop is heading right now, they might as well change the name of the game to Final Tera 14.



PS. That carbuncle mount scaling though... It is horrible. Just like the Managarm.

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Originally Posted by Squintina

So I'm not angry at people for support SE and buying it, and I'm not angry at SE for putting it on the cash shop, I'm annoyed at it being cash-ONLY.

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I suspect if they did, people would still complain because of the inevitably tedious grind. It would be something to incentivize queuing into MSQ roulette once people can't rush ahead without everyone else or an enormous amount of leveling roulette.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

I suspect if they need, people would still complain because of the inevitably tedious grind. It would be something to incentivize queuing into MSQ roulette once people can't rush ahead without everyone else or an enormous amount of leveling roulette.

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While true, I agree with the poster you had quoted in the sense that simply having some sort of option to obtain most all things on the cash shop via playing the game site would be nice. Obtain some massive amount of Odin Mantles and turn them in for Sleipnir, for example. People will complain one no matter what, of course.

I'd have loved it, personally, if the mounts could be bought with those achievement certificates. You know, give them a use beyond rewards that a great many of us have/had before the things were even introduced. lol