Letter is up, go read it boys and girls

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This is straight from Yoshi-P's mouth. Does it not sound like he considers the SUE events to be different and separate from the original quest line? Does it not seem like he considers the original quest-line to NOT lead up to 2.0?

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No. It sounds like he's saying exactly what I am. The SUE events are filling in the blanks. Once the Grand Compant aspect is established they'll bring all the main scenario stuff up to speed. It's still all just a prologue to 2.0.

The cloying stench of darkness lingers still...

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Originally Posted by Sephrick

No. It sounds like he's saying exactly what I am. The SUE events are filling in the blanks. Once the Grand Compant aspect is established they'll bring all the main scenario stuff up to speed. It's still all just a prologue to 2.0.

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So you're just gonna completely ignore all that stuff about the original quest-line being continued after 2.0? OK. I'm gonna stop talking to you then.

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Originally Posted by Meow_Zedong

So you're just gonna completely ignore all that stuff about the original quest-line being continued after 2.0? OK. I'm gonna stop talking to you then.

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He never says after 2.0. Just like the localization team member I posted he says after the side story is established.

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Originally Posted by Sephrick

He never says after 2.0. Just like the localization team member I posted he says after the side story is established.

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No, he said after the side-story is COMPLETE. aka, after 2.0.

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Originally Posted by Meow_Zedong

No, he said after the side-story is COMPLETE. aka, after 2.0.

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Negative. Finishing the side story means only explaining how the citizens of Eorzea band together to respond to the coming calamity.

After that they pick up where Futures Perfect left off and move the story forward to the calamity.

You have abolutely no way of knowing that and are just completely assuming. Its fine if that is your theory, but don't treat it as fact.

Again, in that quote:

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We want players to play this event as something they’ll only be able to experience now. Once that is finished, we’ll go back to those old quests and fill them out, making sure they become more important.

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Looking at the structure of this sentence, it is relatively safe to say that when he says "Once it is finished" the it he is referring to is the "event they'll only be able to experience now."

So it is rather obvious that the "events they'll only be able to experience now" is all the content starting with 1.18 and ending with 2.0 (as made abundantly clear in the 2.0 Roadmap.)

So they won't go back to the original storyline until the "events" are "finished", as in 2.0.

You are just not making any sense. The story of the original quest-line will be improved, and re-released after 2.0, and then continued upon. Just read the damn words.

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You have abolutely no way of knowing that and are just completely assuming. Its fine if that is your theory, but don't treat it as fact.

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Right back at you.

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You are just not making any sense. The story of the original quest-line will be improved, and re-released after 2.0, and then continued upon. Just read the damn words.

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Due to the content of the SUE events, the main story will no longer make sense without those quests.

The Empire is at Silvertear Falls to try and summon a primal. You're trying to tell me that after 2.0 they'll remove only the SUE events so that the story goes back to "The Empire is at Silvertear Falls to..."

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Originally Posted by Sephrick

Right back at you.

Touche, but that's my point. Neither of us have any proof.



Due to the content of the SUE events, the main story will no longer make sense without those quests.

Explain this? The original quests make ZERO mention of the SUE, because the whole "apocalypse" thing hadn't been invented yet. Of course it will make sense without the quests, because it made perfect sense when I played it at launch.

The Empire is at Silvertear Falls to try and summon a primal. You're trying to tell me that after 2.0 they'll remove only the SUE events so that the story goes back to "The Empire is at Silvertear Falls to..."

Yes. You don't know for sure how the map is going to change. My personal theory is because Dalamud will fall due to something the Empire is doing. Some people think all the primals sapping the aether will crack the world in half. You go by the theory the Empire will be successful in summoning their primal and decimate the world. They are all just theories.

Silvertear Falls is a major base of the Empire, you think they'll just pack up and leave after 2.0? You think they'll stop whatever they are doing there? I don't think so. I think the story will go back to how it was before the SUE event started: "The Empire is at Silvertear Falls because that is their main base of operations in Eorzea, and they will continue to be there until we force them out.

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I have my theories, and you have yours. The difference is I realize this argument is futile, and you don't.

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Originally Posted by Meow_Zedong

So it is rather obvious that the "events they'll only be able to experience now" is all the content starting with 1.18 and ending with 2.0 (as made abundantly clear in the 2.0 Roadmap.)

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I didnt read the whole Thread, so im sorry if you mentioned it somewhere.

But isnt that Quote you quoted from Yoshi, directed at the 7th Umbral Story-/Questline?

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Originally Posted by Sephrick

The Empire is at Silvertear Falls to try and summon a primal. You're trying to tell me that after 2.0 they'll remove only the SUE events so that the story goes back to "The Empire is at Silvertear Falls to..."

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And what have the brainwashed kids to do with that? Maybe they have more than just a summoning thing to do in Mor Dhona? There is still the giant dragon corpse.

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Originally Posted by Felis

And what have the brainwashed kids to do with that? Maybe they have more than just a summoning thing to do in Mor Dhona? There is still the giant dragon corpse.

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You mean the giant dragon corpse that wrecked a ship and and freed all the primals? Yeah, must be completely unrelated.

As for them brain washing the children it could be something as simple as them weakening Eorzea's future. Or it could be unrelated. Or they could somehow be involved in the process of summoning, Who knows. Fact is Futures Perfect was a massive cliff hanger.

Not to mention, they're brainwashing them to want to kill the very beings who currently hold sway over the primals.

Just a point, the brainwashed kids scene is an Echo scene, it takes place during a flashback, and I'm also pretty sure it takes place at Ala Mihgo, not Silvertear Falls. But I digress, the brainwashing is indeed done in order to recruit more troops for their war against the Primals. So they would still have a purpose post 2.0

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Originally Posted by Meow_Zedong

Just a point, the brainwashed kids scene is an Echo scene, it takes place during a flashback, and I'm also pretty sure it takes place at Ala Mihgo, not Silvertear Falls. But I digress, the brainwashing is indeed done in order to recruit more troops for their war against the Primals. So they would still have a purpose post 2.0

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It seems that the empire is very good at what it does and al mingo isn't the first to fall, no telling how big they are and how many of their foot soldiers are those of brain washed kids. Time will tell.

She really isn't making much sense, especially after trying to call me dumb and question my intellectual faculties? lol

The story will CONTINUE after 2.0, but you won't be able to do the story we have now. Why don't you see that? What we are playing now is definately a prologue to 2.0. 2.0 will NOT be a better version of our story.

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

She really isn't making much sense, especially after trying to call me dumb and question my intellectual faculties? lol

That was in poor taste, I apologize. Also, I'm male.

The story will CONTINUE after 2.0, but you won't be able to do the story we have now. Why don't you see that? What we are playing now is definately a prologue to 2.0. 2.0 will NOT be a better version of our story.

I am just going by what's in the 2.0 Roadmap. All story content from 1.19 to 2.0 is exclusive and it will be erased. No one is refuting that. I'm talking about the stuff BEFORE that. The original quest-line that was here at launch. No one can provide me with proof saying that it will be taken out, and to me it makes more sense for it to still be there, since it's the main plot of the game.

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Also, I enjoy the back-pedaling where now you say 2.0 is a continuation, where before you said it was a brand new game. lol.

No I knew it was a brand new game and it's a brand new storyline. I never disagreed that it would be a continuation. I disagree with the fact that we will have the same story missions as we do now.

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I am just going by what's in the 2.0 Roadmap. All story content from 1.19 to 2.0 is exclusive and it will be erased. No one is refuting that. I'm talking about the stuff BEFORE that. The original quest-line that was here at launch. No one can provide me with proof saying that it will be taken out, and to me it makes more sense for it to still be there, since it's the main plot of the game.

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No one is saying the plot of these quests shouldn't be presented to players in 2.0.

But the way SUE events are playing out, they incorporate the old story and fill in blanks.

The whole thing can be explained in a cinematic similar to the Battle of Tavnazia in XI. "The Empire showed up in Eorzea. Meddled with the Aether and Primals. Battles were fought. Things went boom. Calamity occured."

In 2.0, the Empire will already be here in Eorzea. Giving way to a new main scenario built on the foundation laid by the old main scenario. It's not like players must experience those quests to understand the situation. And not every detail needs to be explained up front.

Hell, unless you did a high rank San d'Oria mission in XI, you missed out on a huge reveal about the events shown in the opening cinematic.

I just don't get why you think these quests absolutely need to be in 2.0. They've been absorbed into the one-time event. The conflict between Eorzea and the Empire can and will continue after 2.0, but for all intents and purposes they're likely going to cause the calamity. It'll just be really awkward from a story telling standpoint to have a player do quests about how "the Empire is coming" when in 2.0 they'll already be here and have royally screwed up everything. It's just common sense.

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

No I knew it was a brand new game and it's a brand new storyline. I never disagreed that it would be a continuation. I disagree with the fact that we will have the same story missions as we do now.

My exact words was that it was a continuation and you disagreed with me. When you say "new game" it implies you believe the story won't have anything to do with the current game. I realize now you know better, but you have to agree "new game" is not the term you should be using, as evidence in this quote:

Yoshida Naoki: Because we made such an announcement with all the information and that particular screenshot, we have a lot of questions from around the world like: “Is FINAL FANTASY XIV 2.0 going to be totally different?” Actually, it’s not going to be a different game, it’s still FINAL FANTASY XIV, of course, and the realm of Eorzea stays at Eorzea.

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Originally Posted by Sephrick

No one is saying the plot of these quests shouldn't be presented to players in 2.0.

But the way SUE events are playing out, they incorporate the old story and fill in blanks.

The whole thing can be explained in a cinematic similar to the Battle of Tavnazia in XI. "The Empire showed up in Eorzea. Meddled with the Aether and Primals. Battles were fought. Things went boom. Calamity occured."

The difference is of course that we were never a part of the Battle of Tavnazia originally. I don't know about you, but when I played XI, I never met anyone that was like "Hey, I remember you from that battle twenty years ago!" Because we weren't a part of it. With these battles, I AM a part of it, and so you want SE to erase the character development I've had with all these characters?

In 2.0, the Empire will already be here in Eorzea. Giving way to a new main scenario built on the foundation laid by the old main scenario. It's not like players must experience those quests to understand the situation. And not every detail needs to be explained up front.

Hell, unless you did a high rank San d'Oria mission in XI, you missed out on a huge reveal about the events shown in the opening cinematic.

I just don't get why you think these quests absolutely need to be in 2.0. They've been absorbed into the one-time event. The conflict between Eorzea and the Empire can and will continue after 2.0, but for all intents and purposes they're likely going to cause the calamity. It'll just be really awkward from a story telling standpoint to have a player do quests about how "the Empire is coming" when in 2.0 they'll already be here and have royally screwed up everything. It's just common sense.

Nothing in the original quest-line says anything about "the Empire is coming." They were already there. Nothing will need to be changed storyline wise.

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I don't know why, but I just can't help replying to you guys. Sorry about that.

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Nothing in the original quest-line says anything about "the Empire is coming." They were already there. Nothing will need to be changed storyline wise.

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Really? So I imagined the entire series of quests where we responded to rumors of the Empire showing up in the Black Shroud? A series that culminated with the reveal that the Empire has made it to Mor Dhona?

The whole problem is the Futures Perfect refers to the aproaching calamity.

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Imperial Centurion: Believe thyself. Believe thy strength.
Imperial Centurion: Know thyself. Know thy weakness.
Imperial Centurion: Thou art alone. One amongst many.
Imperial Centurion: The land is alone. One star in the void.
Imperial Centurion: See through the lies. See beyond the words of deceivers.
Imperial Centurion: Follow the truth. Follow the whispers of verity.
Imperial Centurion: Protect that which must be. Destroy that which must not.
Imperial Centurion: For Calamity draws nigh. The End is upon thee!
Shuddering Child: Kill the tribes.
Terrified Child: Kill their gods.
Shuddering Child: Kill the tribes.
Shuddering Child: Before the Land doth perish!

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Hmm... Where have I heard about an calamity drawing nigh before?

Oh, yeah! The entire Seventh Umbral Era event!

These are two parts to the same overall story.

They both refer to the aproaching calamity.

They both deal with the Empire and how/why they want to be at Silvertear Falls.

They both deal with how the citizens of Eorzea are responding to the events and how the Circle of Knowing is involved with getting them to band together.

They both deal with the Primals and their effect on the Aether.

They both can only exist up until the calamity to which they both refer as approaching.

These are not separate stories. SUE events are filling in the blanks because SE is using them to explain new game mechanics like Grand Companies, jobs and map changes.

The story these two paths together tell will come to an end with the calamity. All the quests will be gone. It's right there in the storyline. The sequence of events all take place prior to 2.0.

As for characters "not knowing" you in 2.0, there are plenty of ways for SE to do that without creating two sets of quests.

The most obvious is a plot devise already in the game. The Echo.

The new opening cinematic is a recounter of the 1.x events. To start the game, our character awakens post calamity. While they were unconscious, we had a vision via the Echo. It's already been established that we can interact with the past when we use the Echo.

So all of the events of 1.x were an extended Echo experience due to our character having been rendered unconscious. They can even have it to where the members of the Circle of Knowing are capable of using the Echo, and they traveled back to try and alter past events to prevent the calamity. Obviously to no avail. Though that is inconsequential to our character's experience.

That way, when Tancred shows up and recognizes us, it's within the lore for him to do do for old players and new alike.

Tancred: "Soandso! It's been so long, I feared you dead! Do you remember me? There are many who seem to have lost their wits in the calamity. Friends are strangers evermore these days."

There, done in an opening cinematic and a single line of dialogue. This way a new player will feel they should know him but can't remember. An old player will remember and be able to move along. For both 2.0 starts with an explanation that they had an experience with the echo and some of those who have can only recall fragments of the experience. All without some over complicated process and done in a single cutscene at most.

There are plenty of ways to bend the fiction without the player, new or old, feeling something is amiss. So you need not worry.

Personally, I think it'd be a great way to bring 1.x full circle. It would explain the voice we hear at the beginning and our vision of fire in the sky.

Somewhere in one of those many magazine interviews they stated that only the Umbral Era missions will be discontinued, but that the current main storyline will remain, although, with adjustments. At no time have they said that they plan on scraping the main non-Umbral event storyline. The only real question is what adjustments will be made to it.

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Originally Posted by AlexNiculaie

Somewhere in one of those many magazine interviews they stated that only the Umbral Era missions will be discontinued, but that the current main storyline will remain, although, with adjustments. At no time have they said that they plan on scraping the main non-Umbral event storyline. The only real question is what adjustments will be made to it.

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The final mission in the main scenario, Futures Perfect, shows the Empire in Mor Dhona talking about the coming calamity.

The Seventh Umbral Era events are about the Empire trying to use the Aether around Mor Dhona to summon a Primal as that area is most effected by whatever is up with the lesser moon, Dalamund.

The entire reason the Empire has invaded Eorzea in the main scenario is to obtain the power of Primals under the guise that they're trying to kill the Primals to prevent the coming calamity.

We know that the Seventh Umbral Era events lead to the calamity.

Why would they have a series of quests in the game about an "approaching calamity" that has already happened?

It's obvious that those main scenario quests will be gone in 2.0. They'll start fresh with a new series of quests.


http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m312/jayzubs/Map.jpg

Oh, look. One of the map concept for 2.0 where the Empire already is in Eorzea!

The main scenario deals with rumors that the Empire is pushing past Ala Mihgo and into the Black Shroud.

What would be the point of those quests when the Immortal Flames already are on the frontlines against them?

I know Mr. Yoshida has cryptically mentioned in the past that they'll "get back to" the main scenario after they establish the Seventh Umbral Era events. But that in no way means "after 2.0."

These quests will make no sense in 2.0 because 1) The Empire will already be in Eorzea and 2) The calamity already will have occured.

Why don't we just wait and see?

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Originally Posted by Pyretta_Blaze

Why don't we just wait and see?

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I thought that we were SUPPOSED to complain before it is implemented :O
Atleast thats what everyone else on the Forums has been doing.
/sarcasm

I agree, my first impressions of the changes are not good ones from the notes but, I will wait and see.

Yeah, there is no budging this guy. He has his theories, and I have mine.

Wait and see.

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Originally Posted by Meow_Zedong

Yeah, there is no budging this guy. He has his theories, and I have mine.

Wait and see.

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Yeah, my wild and crazy theories based on plainly observable facts in the game.

Wait and see.

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Originally Posted by Sephrick

Yeah, my wild and crazy theories based on plainly observable facts in the game.

Wait and see.

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I never said your theories are wild or crazy. They are perfectly viable. My theory just makes more sense to ME based on what I have seen in the game and what I have read in interviews.

Unfortunately, I can't find said interviews, so I have no real proof of my conviction. Therefore I am not pressing the issue.