Jumping confirmed

Why do ppl say, (o god no jumping please cuz ppl will be hopping like bunnys) i have played wow and aion that has jump and i havnt seen that many ppl hop around like bunnys, ive seen more ppl spams skills more the any thing

I still see no benefit of jumping. In my personal opinion jumping should be left for platformers or adventure games.

But, if the community will be happy with it - so be it. No use in crying now, the dev team is already working on it and might as well just "embrace it".

As for the jumping that was shown in the video, it's ugly. I suppose that jumping in real life looks just as silly.

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Originally Posted by Kaizlu

I still see no benefit of jumping. In my personal opinion jumping should be left for platformers or adventure games.

But, if the community will be happy with it - so be it. No use in crying now, the dev team is already working on it and might as well just "embrace it".

As for the jumping that was shown in the video, it's ugly. I suppose that jumping in real life looks just as silly.

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Yoshida agrees with you.

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Originally Posted by ShinChuck

We're getting it, it's in production, you lost this battle, move along.

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Originally Posted by Blarp

People want to jump. The developers want the players to be able to jump. We will be able to jump.

In the words of the collective FFXIV community: "If you don't like it get out!"

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Wow.

I'm sorry, but until the developers step up and say, "We are adamant with regard to this feature and no longer wish to hear players' thoughts on the matter," the 'battle' has not been 'won' and the only people who need to get out if they don't like it are people who think they have any right to tell people to stop expressing their opinions, for or against any possible adjustment to features already implemented or not, on a development feedback forum.

More than that: you know what? I don't like it, but I think you'll find many such as myself who don't particularly want the feature are willing to discuss ways to accommodate it without it being offensive, or even how people who dislike the idea of jumping being added might actually be able to get behind its implementation.

It's why these forums exist. Should some of the people don't want jumping tone it down some, too? Yes, maybe - a few of them are using pretty foul language. But the same ought go for both sides: keep to expressing your opinions and giving reasonable arguments; "Majority says shut up" just makes you look like a playground bully.

My question is did the majority of Japanese players wanted this? Because last i checked there is no Japanese version of WoW.

Good news that the jump feature has been approved. I support the devs decision on this.

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

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I really wish people would stop with the "FF feel" thing. XI was an old MMO. Come on people, they gotta move on.

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Never heard of Final Fantasy before FFXI? That sucks, it's a good series, you should look into it -- Even Mystic Quest was a good game with great music.

I'm gonna be jumping all day long.

Gotta get something that'll keep spamming the jump key when I afk, to annoy the easily-annoyed.

Challenge accepted!

What about... Resurrection of the Stamina Bar for actions like Jumping? So if it's low you can't jump or whatever action they'll implement in the future.

Just pointing that out there =)

I wanna work my way up to the tallest spire in uldah, then take off all my clothes and jump off!

dear god, I hope they have some sort of jump cool down if jumping is free to do anytime..

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Originally Posted by CrystalObsidian

dear god, I hope they have some sort of jump cool down if jumping is free to do anytime..

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Originally Posted by RemVye

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yes :)

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Originally Posted by Teuciont

And it looks as terrible as everyone imagined. Yes, I realize those are pre-alpha animations, but with lalafell jumping 6 feet into the air and the concept in general, this is starting to look more and more like Final Fantasy of Warcraft online with each development.

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atm lalas jump without animation over big rocks, and stuff... that is stupid, why cant ppl stop these threads already, the game needs input in many other directions, not jumping yes or no, and its planned anyways

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Originally Posted by Anty

atm lalas jump without animation over big rocks, and stuff... that is stupid, why cant ppl stop these threads already, the game needs input in many other directions, not jumping yes or no, and its planned anyways

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But some of use would like to see that it is planned for PROPERLY.

If we have to have jump, I don't want it to be just a useless animation for shits and giggles. I would actually like it to have a purpose.

Yes let's all pretend to be developers. Enough already.

Why is a jump cool down a solution all of the sudden? People are on their chocobos mostly so what the hell are you worried about with hopping along?

Giving us Jump and redesigning the zones with that in mind will make this POS environment a strong leap forward to being free roam. Something we call a standard for an MMO. Not..... repetitive corridors and roads that are copy pasta'ed where the only unique thing may be a random tree branch or rock on the ground THAT YOU RUN INTO AND GET STUCK AND CANNOT JUMP OVER.

Yeah, this is the way it's suppose to be. Totally.

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Originally Posted by BruceyBruceyBangBang

Why is a jump cool down a solution all of the sudden? People are on their chocobos mostly so what the hell are you worried about with hopping along?

Giving us Jump and redesigning the zones with that in mind will make this POS environment a strong leap forward to being free roam. Something we call a standard for an MMO. Not..... repetitive corridors and roads that are copy pasta'ed where the only unique thing may be a random tree branch or rock on the ground THAT YOU RUN INTO AND GET STUCK AND CANNOT JUMP OVER.

Yeah, this is the way it's suppose to be. Totally.

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"Standard." Says who? Ah, right. No innovation allowed. Sorry. SE has the chance to create an entirely new atmosphere for MMOs that doesn't rely on vertical jumping. But no, "we" all want vertical jumping and Lalafell jumping 10 feet in the air. Gotcha. Good thing "we" cleared that up. I'm glad you're here to talk for me and everyone else, as well as setting standards for games.

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Originally Posted by Teuciont

"Standard." Says who? Ah, right. No innovation allowed. Sorry. SE has the chance to create an entirely new atmosphere for MMOs that doesn't rely on vertical jumping. But no, "we" all want vertical jumping and Lalafell jumping 10 feet in the air. Gotcha. Good thing "we" cleared that up. I'm glad you're here to talk for me and everyone else, as well as setting standards for games.

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So innovation is going from 3 dimensions to 2? You must live in a weird alternate world, usually innovation means increasing potential, not reducing it.

Again, they know that there is an issue with the jump height, They are fine tuning it. Calm down.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Never heard of Final Fantasy before FFXI? That sucks, it's a good series, you should look into it -- Even Mystic Quest was a good game with great music.

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That's not the case, you people just find every little way to complain about NOT adding jump. Why do you detest something so much? Just accept that they are adding it.

PS I've played them, but coming from you group of people, no one is never right.

I hear this final fantasy feel all the time from ya'll, comparing to the rest of the series.
but then again, I also hear that you can't compare it to non MMO games. Make up your mind what we are gonna compare this one to

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

That's not the case, you people just find every little way to complain about NOT adding jump.

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What does that have to do with FFXI though? You specifically stated FFXI is an old game when you were responding to the "Doesn't feel Final Fantasy enough" statements.

Therefore my question to you was never heard of the series before XI?

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

What does that have to do with FFXI though? You specifically stated FFXI is an old game when you were responding to the "Doesn't feel Final Fantasy enough" statements.

Therefore my question to you was never heard of the series before XI?

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Nah I'm done with you lot. You spend so much effort in a jump thread than anything else. I'm outta this BS

Yes, it would be SO ANNOYING to watch people jumping around like bunnies. Good thing we don't have something like that here yet. Just people who like to take out their Ifrit weapons so they light up, then put them away, then take them out again. Over and over and over. That's not annoying AT ALL.

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Originally Posted by Djeserit

So innovation is going from 3 dimensions to 2? You must live in a weird alternate world, usually innovation means increasing potential, not reducing it.

Again, they know that there is an issue with the jump height, They are fine tuning it. Calm down.

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Actually innovation means "to renew or change", it is often misused to describe improvements but the word innovation itself doesn't have anything to do with quality. In fact the quality might increase or decrease, and if you look at the way FFXIV tried to innovate from 11 at launch was clearly not a good result.

Jumping is not by any chance innovation when it comes to gaming.
As far as I can remember there has been jumping (probably even started earlier on all 3 examples, the point is however, it's not by any chance new)
- 2D jumping already on the NES
- 3D jumping already on the PS1
- MMO jumping already in WOW

Obviously to FFXIV it's innovation since it's a change, but so would be removing running speed. The point is really than in MMOs it's more of an innovation to not have jump since nowadays it's basically jumping on the bandwagon.

The point is that the lack of jump was simply a choice of design.

What however is the reason that jump is being implemented is that people want freedom. People want that the devs catter to every small silly complaint that they have, and now the devs are actually giving after, this is not good. The devs should make their own design choices, the fact that they are giving after makes me lose respect towards them. We should not get what we want like that, we should enjoy the game as it is uniquely intended.

When it comes to freedom, the most important part is to set the boundaries right, this is utterly important, freedom is good, but fail to set balance in the form of boundaries and it becomes uninteresting.

Now I'm not only talking about jump, but all the silly mounts that have been shown as well. It makes me wonder where this game is going next.

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Originally Posted by Teuciont

"Standard." Says who? Ah, right. No innovation allowed. Sorry. SE has the chance to create an entirely new atmosphere for MMOs that doesn't rely on vertical jumping. But no, "we" all want vertical jumping and Lalafell jumping 10 feet in the air. Gotcha. Good thing "we" cleared that up. I'm glad you're here to talk for me and everyone else, as well as setting standards for games.

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You mean the lalafell jump he showed then said "but I rejected this, it looked silly" right after? I think you think of yourself as a voice of reason into a barbaric era of MMOing, but honestly it's time to give it up. If you don't have a foundation to build on... you have nothing. SE cannot grow unless they make their game as free as it possibly can be. This is a great thing about MMOs.. and yes, that is a standard.

How can you sit back and ask, "Is it really a standard!?". Yes, free roaming is a standard. It's actually one of the more basic things required of MMOs. This will be my last reply. You are too ignorant to even debate with. It's incredibly saddening.

They know the jump is too high, now we're flaming jump and they're like "crap we knew it looked like crap, shouldn't of shown it" lol. I'm anti jump anyway I've never needed it ever, and if this jump is for battle than i'm even more pissed, I do not want to have to jump dodge attacks, we have the programming already to dodge moves if you simply bothered to move your character instead of eating everything.

GW2, i'm sure it has jumping, but its more dodge based, it took innovation to the next level by adding aquatic combat, and having the x y become more important in that situation. Adding jump is not innovation its just garbled up crap that's useless in every game its ever been in. It was probably invented due to lazy programming, "i don't want to make a mountain they can actually walk up, instead they'll jump like a bunny up a moutain, yeah he's a badass wizard but he has to jump up a mountain isn't that cool?" HELL NO.

Jumping makes me sad.....

Either lala's won't be able to jump over a dime, or they'll look like freaking super mario jumping over shit.

The point is that there are so many other issues that need to be resolved before even considering the addition of a jump feature. That's a big reason why it's such a concern at this point.

I have yet to see anyone argue in favor of adding the jump feature other than "Woot" or "Yay" and getting over small objects.

Honestly are there really small rocks and obststacles that you cannot run over or around now? If you think that jump is going to allow you to move faster or in a straight line, then you are wrong.

They definitley should allow you to turn off the animation and ban it from cities like chocobos.

It's sad to see them adding this to FF. It was more unique in not having the feature. It is not a standard that adds to gameplay.

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Originally Posted by Zoltan

The point is that there are so many other issues that need to be resolved before even considering the addition of a jump feature. That's a big reason why it's such a concern at this point.

I have yet to see anyone argue in favor of adding the jump feature other than "Woot" or "Yay" and getting over small objects.

Honestly are there really small rocks and obststacles that you cannot run over or around now? If you think that jump is going to allow you to move faster or in a straight line, then you are wrong.

They definitley should allow you to turn off the animation and ban it from cities like chocobos.

It's sad to see them adding this to FF. It was more unique in not having the feature. It is not a standard that adds to gameplay.

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I completely agree. The good new is that this isn't going to be added any time soon, so there is still a small chance of this not happening. If it still is then I hope they reconsider and think well how they are going to introduce this.

i just hope they allow all the trolls and all the WoW clone wannabes the ability to jump off LL's bridges :P

Just gonna drop in here and clear up the fact that the jumping animations that were shown were just test animations and Yoshida felt the height was too high/over-the-top so things are still being adjusted. They weren't 100% finalized, finished animations but just a sample video to show off for fun during the LIVE broadcast.

That said, please continue with Jump discussion #2104. ;)

It occurs to me that they really should be more customer conscious. Is it more prudent to add a feature that does nothing to add to game experience and makes your current customers dislike your product, or to add the feature and drive those people away.

I'm not saying that lots of people will quit playing over this issue, but there will be some.

Honestly, will people stop playing if they do not add this feature?

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Just gonna drop in here and clear up the fact that the jumping animations that were shown were just test animations and Yoshida felt the height was too high/over-the-top so things are still being adjusted. They weren't 100% finalized, finished animations but just a sample video to show off for fun during the LIVE broadcast.

That said, please continue with Jump discussion #2104. ;)

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erm this is well beyond #2104 I think we may have passed the 4000 milestone on this one

the look of "Jumping" looked allright to me, nothing super fancy & looked smooth.
And yes abit too high, maybe drop it down 15-20%.

Not a big fan of Jump feature, unless its needed for some platform
jumping content, neverthless something new / fun perhaps. meh

(Did enjoy jumping around like an idiot in WoW thou...lol)

There will obviously be jumping related things. Would be nice to jump up and fight on top of a giant enemy for some phase of a large-scale battle.

It's like the stupid giant cake, they wouldn't add it if they didn't have any plans for it.

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Originally Posted by Keith_Dragoon

erm this is well beyond #2104 I think we may have passed the 4000 milestone on this one

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It may seem like that, but I'm sure Bayohne counted them all, he such a good rep, i'm sure he would do that for us :)

From unofficial live letter translation: http://goo.gl/tMzrF

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F: Q: it's not mentioned in the 2.0 docs but whats going on with jump or swimming?
Y: For 2.0 we are remodeling all the maps so it requires lots of checks, so we’re talking about including this with 2.0 but just ending with that is kind of sad so here is one more spoiler, and this one is movie too

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/dR...yhMA4YN4q9lzPo

F: it jumped
Y: this one I said it’s jumping too high and said no to this one but strangely when it’s with this guy

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/Wf...D-cmg-Mr537Was
(lalafel jumping)

F: it’s jumping the same height?
Y: yeah same height but when it’s with him it doesn’t feel too much awkward, however this height is too comical so we’re still making adjustments like this and testing.

Also for swimming this will be after 2.0 but instead of just being able to swim we want to add stuff like underwater temple, or raid using water, and we’re talking about what to do about breathing air. We want to do it, we’re not to a point yet to tell the dev on what stance to develop this in yet, this will be after.

I'm glad Yoshida-san agreed the jump was a little over-dramatic. Though, if anyone wearing Dragoon armor jumps like that, I'll give them a pass.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

There will obviously be jumping related things. Would be nice to jump up and fight on top of a giant enemy for some phase of a large-scale battle.

It's like the stupid giant cake, they wouldn't add it if they didn't have any plans for it.

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I don't believe it. Unless, by chance, you are a developer at Square Enix?

Why would that be nice?

Seems pointless. Fix party alliances, loot drop management, looking for group, linkshell management, server lag, /random, inventory sorting, AH and a multitude of other issues before even comtemplating the addition of jump.

On second thought, just fix the problems and forget about jump.