So its 0-2 in the male female glamour department, yay?

So in that case, there is already a gender equivalent. I missed that one when searching, thank you.

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Originally Posted by Ulfhade

So in that case, there is already a gender equivalent. I missed that one when searching, thank you.

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The issue arises from the fact that every other female exclusive armor DOES NOT have a male exclusive equivalent.

If anything, they end up adding a unisex glamour piece alongside the female exclusive pieces that they release.

Just reposting for reference again, since it's useful for people: Gender Locked Gear list

Also I plan to keep updating this list as new gear comes out. Some of the trickier ones is the unisex stuff that looks different on guys and girls

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Originally Posted by Ulfhade

So in that case, there is already a gender equivalent. I missed that one when searching, thank you.

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Yeah, it's not always easy when the names are completely different ^^; But all the genderlocked swimsuits have equivalents. The trickiest one is the one with the tattoo, since the female version of it doesn't get a tattoo as far as I know =/

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

Oh, and dyeable please.

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It will not be possible to dye Minfilia's outfit; however, it will be possible to change the color of the hairstyle.

This time around we’re adding Minfilia for female characters, but don’t worry – we’ll be adding Scion outfits for male characters in the future!

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

It will not be possible to dye Minfilia's outfit; however, it will be possible to change the color of the hairstyle.

This time around we’re adding Minfilia for female characters, but don’t worry – we’ll be adding Scion outfits for male characters in the future!

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Is Cid considered a Scion? Because I want his clothes and hairstyle.

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

It will not be possible to dye Minfilia's outfit; however, it will be possible to change the color of the hairstyle.

This time around we’re adding Minfilia for female characters, but don’t worry – we’ll be adding Scion outfits for male characters in the future!

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i wonder which scion it will be?

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Originally Posted by raymon

i wonder which scion it will be?

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Very high chance it will be either Thancred or Alphinaud

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Very high chance it will be either Thancred or Alphinaud

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I would sin if it turned out to be Alphi's... so it likely won't. xD My bet is Thancred - or Urianger.

(And WHOA, changeable color on a hairstyle, that's new! ... I mean. Unless they make a hairstyle be a headgear piece, a hat, effectively. In other words, while this is a welcome answer, it doesn't really address the bigger picture that's the main issue here...)

But why have Urianger's outfit when our hair is going to be hidden under that hood?

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Very high chance it will be either Thancred or Alphinaud

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i hope its alphinauds since his is actually more unique when compared to thancred. thancred's looks more some of the outfits already in the game.

edit: just realized that alhpinauds sister has the same outfit meaning that if they do add it it will likely be unisex. therefore my gil is on Cid.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

But why have Urianger's outfit when our hair is going to be hidden under that hood?

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Why have any hat or helmet? (Especially those with ear sockets.) /shrug

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Originally Posted by BreathlessTao

Why have any hat or helmet? (Especially those with ear sockets.) /shrug

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The difference is we have the option to hide the headgear. The hood looks like it's built directly to the robe like a multi slot gear, which can't be hidden.

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

It will not be possible to dye Minfilia's outfit; however, it will be possible to change the color of the hairstyle.

This time around we’re adding Minfilia for female characters, but don’t worry – we’ll be adding Scion outfits for male characters in the future!

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Thank you for reading our complaints! On top of this specific example, I really hope we can also expect male characters to get access to an equivalent number of equippables in general very soon as well.

I understand wanting male scion outfits but wanting there to be an exact number of gender specific gear available to both female and male for the sole sake of having an equal number is silly to me.

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Originally Posted by Dante_V

I understand wanting male scion outfits but wanting there to be an exact number of gender specific gear available to both female and male for the sole sake of having an equal number is silly to me.

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Then I'm afraid we will have to disagree, because not wanting everyone to have access to the same number of items happens to be silly to me. Any one of those locked items might be the perfect accompaniment to finish off someone's dream glamour set.

The gap is growing in one direction every time they add female-only sets; when does it start becoming a problem? When there are 50 more items for female characters? 100? Surely everyone deserves to expect the same treatment from the design team.

This is why men don't get nice things.

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/3...ersilkgown.jpg

The Twin's old outfit isn't too bad, actually; especially since many people want their hairstyle and it should not be easy to make it unisex - just add pink or blue hair band depending on sex.

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/...NPC_Render.jpg

As for the other scions like Thancred, Popotolymo and that Elezen, hopefully they can be last on the list since their clothes and hairstyles can already be replicated somewhat. There are plenty of other male NPCs with a more unique model than those

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

It will not be possible to dye Minfilia's outfit; however, it will be possible to change the color of the hairstyle.

This time around we’re adding Minfilia for female characters, but don’t worry – we’ll be adding Scion outfits for male characters in the future!

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I'm a little disappointed that of everything that's been brought up in 20+ pages, the rep decided to respond to someone asking that the Minfilia outfit be made dyeable. Maybe I should be happy for any response at all, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they stuck to the letter of what's being said here and not the spirit of it. I half expect any male Scion outfits we get to be unisex at this point.

If by some miracle they aren't, 50k gil says we get at least one female character crying about it.

They got a lot of scions to choose from for the males. Thancred, Papalymo, Urianger, and Alphinaud

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Originally Posted by Zumi

They got a lot of scions to choose from for the males. Thancred, Papalymo, Urianger, and Alphinaud

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but all of them (except for alphinaud) are not unique , the others being outfits that are already in the game with a few minor changes.

Then we run into the problem that there are more female scions than male scions ( and not counting the 3 leaders either ). I still do want the unisex twins outfit and book though, I like their book a lot. Maybe they should make Garlean armours available for male characters lol. Garleans tend to like male leaders more so far.

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Originally Posted by myahele

Is Cid considered a Scion? Because I want his clothes and hairstyle.

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According to his card...nope

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

It will not be possible to dye Minfilia's outfit; however, it will be possible to change the color of the hairstyle.

This time around we’re adding Minfilia for female characters, but don’t worry – we’ll be adding Scion outfits for male characters in the future!

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So it won't even be dyeable? You sirs just lost a sale.

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Originally Posted by raymon

but all of them (except for alphinaud) are not unique , the others being outfits that are already in the game with a few minor changes.

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Isn't that the case for the female ones too? Can't really recall any female Scion with anything that isn't just minor changes, with Minfilia being the exception, just as Alphinaud is. Although, truth be, ignoring the scions bit, his outfit would probably be unisex due to his sister wearing the exact same thing. Not to mention that there are female cosplayers that the dev team have first-hand knowledge of having an interest in (whether they play a female character or not is up in the air though).

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Originally Posted by AxelStorm

So it won't even be dyeable? You sirs just lost a sale.

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This is honestly a valid outlook lol. It's odd for it to not be dyable, even if it were just the pink fabric areas, all things considered. I wasn't going to get it, but can definitely understand how it loses value because of the lack of a dye option.

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

Isn't that the case for the female ones too? Can't really recall any female Scion with anything that isn't just minor changes, with Minfilia being the exception, just as Alphinaud is. Although, truth be, ignoring the scions bit, his outfit would probably be unisex due to his sister wearing the exact same thing. Not to mention that there are female cosplayers that the dev team have first-hand knowledge of having an interest in (whether they play a female character or not is up in the air though).

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which is why i think they should give us a Cid Garlond set for the males.

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Originally Posted by raymon

which is why i think they should give us a Cid Garlond set for the males.

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That'd be really good IMO. That'd also mean a request for Yugiri for female, but I'd think that'd qualify as unisex. I'm still hoping for Gaius and the tribuni to be available somehow as glamour, even if they were each male/female exclusive. Even the officers would be kinda cool. We already have access to the grunts, after all.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

I'm a little disappointed that of everything that's been brought up in 20+ pages, the rep decided to respond to someone asking that the Minfilia outfit be made dyeable. Maybe I should be happy for any response at all, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they stuck to the letter of what's being said here and not the spirit of it. I half expect any male Scion outfits we get to be unisex at this point.

If by some miracle they aren't, 50k gil says we get at least one female character crying about it.

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I don't understand why people get so worked up about male and female items considering there is only a handful of them, the bulk is unisex (As it should be, if the bulk wasn't unisex then we would certainly seem to have a design issue).
More items are constantly being added, everyone is constantly being given more and more and more.

Why isn't that enough? I understand the love for glamours, I really do. It's one of the things I derive the most pleasure from in an MMO. But having an agenda for the sake of an agenda, rather then asking for something that you personally want (example: May we please have X haircut for X race) seems like... you are purposely letting yourself be insulted.

It would be glorious if every single person could be happy, but in reality... everyone can not get what they want. Of course you can share an opinion on it! (I think the Kirin wings look terrible and I hoped for feathered wings/something more mythically traditional but I guess that's just too bad ne?)

But complaining rather then politely asking/petitioning is just creating a thread of negativity that might be viewed less favourably by developers then you would want it to. And I am not singling out the person quoted, I am just responding in general.

The fact that it isn't dyable is a disappointment, since it is a cash shop item it should have such a feature considering its exclusive nature; that goes the same for any cash shop item that has never been available in game.

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Originally Posted by Niqote

I don't understand why people get so worked up about male and female items considering there is only a handful of them, the bulk is unisex (As it should be, if the bulk wasn't unisex then we would certainly seem to have a design issue).
More items are constantly being added, everyone is constantly being given more and more and more.

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There's 16 or 17 female-exclusive items that don't have male-exclusive counterparts. That's what people are worked up about.

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Why isn't that enough? I understand the love for glamours, I really do. It's one of the things I derive the most pleasure from in an MMO. But having an agenda for the sake of an agenda, rather then asking for something that you personally want (example: May we please have X haircut for X race) seems like... you are purposely letting yourself be insulted.

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Pretty sure we've been asking for more male-exclusive glamours for awhile now. There was even a response at one point that said that they'd heard us and they'd be making more male-exclusive items in the future. And yet, female + unisex is what we keep getting.

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It would be glorious if every single person could be happy, but in reality... everyone can not get what they want. Of course you can share an opinion on it! (I think the Kirin wings look terrible and I hoped for feathered wings/something more mythically traditional but I guess that's just too bad ne?)

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I was actually hoping for no wings, but don't much care either way.

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But complaining rather then politely asking/petitioning is just creating a thread of negativity that might be viewed less favourably by developers then you would want it to. And I am not singling out the person quoted, I am just responding in general.

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We can only ask politely and get ignored so many times before people start getting upset with the situation.

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The fact that it isn't dyable is a disappointment, since it is a cash shop item it should have such a feature considering its exclusive nature; that goes the same for any cash shop item that has never been available in game.

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I just thought that it was funny that in a twenty-page thread addressing the disparity between male and female glamour options... someone with a minor complaint about yet another female-exclusive glamour item garnered a response from a representative.

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Originally Posted by Niqote

I don't understand why people get so worked up about male and female items considering there is only a handful of them, the bulk is unisex (As it should be, if the bulk wasn't unisex then we would certainly seem to have a design issue).
More items are constantly being added, everyone is constantly being given more and more and more.

Why isn't that enough? I understand the love for glamours, I really do. It's one of the things I derive the most pleasure from in an MMO. But having an agenda for the sake of an agenda, rather then asking for something that you personally want (example: May we please have X haircut for X race) seems like... you are purposely letting yourself be insulted.

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While I understand what you're trying to say about trying to keep the tone positive, may I respond to a few points which I feel are rather unfair? It's true that we're getting more and more. But it's also true that as someone with a female character you are getting more and more and more. We could just sit back and be happy for you or we could tell the truth, which is that we're unhappy at being treated like a lower class of subscriber whenever the designers give players with female characters extra goodies for no apparent reason (as people have said before, we'd actually be happier if they just came out and admitted that treating female characters better is deliberate).

Several people on the forums have been politely asking for fair treatment for the best part of this year. We had one response in April (as did the Japanese side) and since then there has been nothing until now, when a few of us have tried sustaining our complaints instead of letting the threads die out without any sign of change.

I don't mind if people view me as paranoid but I'm seeing a pretty clear pattern here when the gap is increasing and in only one direction.

Pre-Patch 2.2: Everyone had the same number of potential equippables
Patch 2.2 (26th March 2014): Female characters gained 4 extra equippables
Patch 2.4 (28th October 2014): The number rose to 7
Patch 2.51 (24th February 2015): The number rose to 11
Patch 3.0 (19th June 2015): The number rose to 16
Patch 3.1 (10th November 2015 - as yet unreleased): From the previews alone it looks as though it's rising to at least 25

Those are the numbers. I'm very, very unhappy with the pattern I'm seeing. I'm also unhappy that on top of apparently having to persuade Square-Enix that we're worthy of fair treatment, we have to collectively defend ourselves from a loud minority of regular posters on the forums themselves. If we seem grumpy at this point it's because every single thread of this type ends up attracting people who bash us for a whole spectrum of bizarre reasons (including questioning our real life sexual identities, of all things) while even politely-worded and reasonable-sounding objections casually dismiss the points that people have been tirelessly making for months. I honestly think a lot of people give up not because they don't want fair treatment, but because they get sick of all of the negative reactions to what is, ultimately, a completely reasonable request for people to make. Fortunately for me I'm a jerk with very thick skin.

As many people have said over the course of the discussion, the entire point of the complaint is that we do want those glamour items. It's not a matter of principle alone; they're good items (some of the most popular in the game, in fact, according to the last census) and the majority are accessories which have no logical reason for being gender locked to begin with. The Gold Saucer bunny ears have had the longest and most persistent campaign as it's downright ridiculous that they have been gender locked all this time and people want them for specific outfit ideas, and another campaign had multiple artists putting enormous amounts of time and energy into campaigning for fairness with the Thavnairian sets - which was ignored.

So if it's ok with you, I'm going to keep firmly campaigning until the keys on my keyboard wear out.

I kind of wish everything was unisex. I've found gender restrictions on gear to be irritating in every mmo I've played. It's unnecessarily limiting.

At least add some sort of counterpart for the other gender. :/

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Originally Posted by Niqote

I don't understand why...

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I want to drop a quote here from someone on these forums (from a different topic, but still relevant to the discussion):

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Those who benefit from a system rarely see its flaws.

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This also isn't targeted solely at you, but to many of the people who joined in (interestingly enough, with female characters)/will be joining in on the discussion with a "so what?" outlook.

i would be perfectly OK with a few glamour items being female exclusive. but they way they have it as now the gap is only getting larger. and it is favoritism (to an extent) if they are making gear exclusively for females.

Side note: i do recall SE saying it was easier to fit gear on female models then it was on male models, if this is true, would that not mean they don't want to bother with fitting gear for males? (i may be wrong with them saying this,if so, please ignore the side note)

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Originally Posted by raymon

Side note: i do recall SE saying it was easier to fit gear on female models then it was on male models, if this is true, would that not mean they don't want to bother with fitting gear for males?

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Even if this was true, which is questionable in many cases, they need to start exercising self-restraint when they put their time into fitting male-style outfits to the ladies if they want to keep things fair (which takes time, even if it's not as much time as the reverse). But most of the items are so similar to existing ones (plain long skirt versus spring skirt, miscellaneous shoes and hats) that I don't really believe the argument that the size of the gap is due to our cumbersome, lanky male bodies at all. If they can find the time to fit the same things to female Roegadyn and female Lalafell and keep coming up with alternate female-only garments, they clearly have time to give us our missing bunny ears, hats and shoes :)

I'm sure Tataru will sew more unique outfits for Scions, not just Y'shtola and Alphy, I hope. And then I also hope we can wear them too.

While I technically disapprove of going off topic given how passionate I am about the main debate, and dancing around spoilers as much as I can, I'm beginning to suspect that all of the Scions whose costumes have been hinted at for the cash shop will be receiving clothing upgrades at some stage soon. It would be jarring if there are people walking around dressed in the same way as the storyline characters, but if Tataru's busy upgrading costumes then S-E can release the old ones and keep them in circulation without any overlap. In which case players wearing the new Tataru-brand outfits might be some way off yet.

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Originally Posted by Serilda

While I technically disapprove of going off topic given how passionate I am about the main debate, and dancing around spoilers as much as I can, I'm beginning to suspect that all of the Scions whose costumes have been hinted at for the cash shop will be receiving clothing upgrades at some stage soon.

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There is, of course, another reason. Those hinted Scions may simply ... not be returning. Ever.

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Originally Posted by Oghmanyte

There is, of course, another reason. Those hinted Scions may simply ... not be returning. Ever.

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If that's the case I'll host a party in celebration.

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Originally Posted by Serilda

Pre-Patch 2.2: Everyone had the same number of potential equippables
Patch 2.2 (26th March 2014): Female characters gained 4 extra equippables
Patch 2.4 (28th October 2014): The number rose to 7
Patch 2.51 (24th February 2015): The number rose to 11
Patch 3.0 (19th June 2015): The number rose to 16
Patch 3.1 (10th November 2015 - as yet unreleased): From the previews alone it looks as though it's rising to at least 25

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And this is the brunt of WHY this is an issue. When will it end? Eventually ALL of the glamour gear will favour females, and frankly, that just can not be stood for. Things started great for equality, but they need to return to their roots in this.

RIP glamour for males ONLY. No bunny ears for males, only care with the bent of bunny ears.