Thats bs behest never gave no damn 13k lol'Quote:
Originally Posted by Kensei
even at broken water you got only like 7k per behest
SP nerfed. We were lied to.
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07-23-2011, 03:58 PMFiron
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07-23-2011, 04:00 PMRazeLOLLLL Yeah okay sureQuote:
Originally Posted by Kensei
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07-23-2011, 04:03 PMKenseiI am proving to you why 300SP is a waste of time by pre-patch standards which you so adamantly defend. You want to call behest a grind? Call it a grind. We have different definitions of the word but that's not the point. You saying 100-300SP was good pre-patch makes me question your actual knowledge and experience with XIV.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX
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07-23-2011, 04:04 PMSuzakuCMXOk Mr. 13k behests.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kensei
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07-23-2011, 04:04 PMKenseiClearly you were way past or under the optimal rank for it. I averaged 11k.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firon
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07-23-2011, 04:07 PMFironI knew you was gonna say that but my PUG is 42 you want me to change my class for you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kensei
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07-23-2011, 04:07 PMKenseiWay to refute my statement. You can't.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX
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07-23-2011, 04:08 PMKenseiIt would be useless since behest is trash SP post patch. You would get like 2k if you are lucky.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firon
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07-23-2011, 04:08 PMSuzakuCMXBurden of Proof is on whoever makes the claim anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kensei
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07-23-2011, 04:10 PMFironI did it today on GLA and got 3k from it on the 30 which is what i got @ 30 post patch ok next argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kensei
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07-23-2011, 04:12 PMKenseiHuh? What does that prove? The argument was you claimed the best you could do was 7k SP pre patch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firon
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07-23-2011, 04:13 PMSuzakuCMX
I call troll, let's ignore this thread now.
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07-23-2011, 04:20 PMSHJcules
yeah, getting SP totally sucks now
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b8...%20SS/grid.jpg
took me a whole five minutes to get this, it should have just insta-ranked me up
Yoshi told us this small window of time immediately after 1.18 would be a dark period for group SP. He has a great solo system put in effect now though. One step at a time, why can we not understand this -
07-23-2011, 04:20 PMFironI know he's trying to twist my words he in denial now lolz I alrdy closed down the thread with ppl saying the AA was slow till i showed them raw data then no one else responded to it lol. He's just but hurt he cant get 2-3 lvls per day anymoreQuote:
Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX
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07-23-2011, 04:22 PMFironGreat SS thats hard proof right there that you can get exp just fine so i'm i wanna know how many stars you did that on and what rankQuote:
Originally Posted by SHJcules
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07-23-2011, 04:22 PMKenseiThat's a leve. It's not a sustainable source of SP. You get 8 every 36 hours. This has been discusses many times in previous pages.Quote:
Originally Posted by SHJcules
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07-23-2011, 04:23 PMFironLol but wasn't that what you were using to lvl pre patch.. i'm just gonna call troll now lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Kensei
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07-23-2011, 04:24 PMKenseiNo. I was using behest. I made that clear several times in previous pages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firon
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07-23-2011, 04:27 PMAarosLunostrollololololoQuote:
Originally Posted by Kensei
Pre-patch leves and Behest were the ONLY sustainable way to level. Party camp grinding wasn't very viable at all (it is more so now). -
07-23-2011, 04:33 PMLokiie1984
I get that this sp hit is just a step towards something greater, maybe even the game saving thing every one is hoping for. I also get that leves are supposed to be the side exp to do when you are bored or dont have much time. So they arnt the main source of exp now. But it seems to me that they removed the main source (behests an leves) and didnt add in anything to counter balance that other then the same old grind on boring mobs. So while being a step in the right direction, it also feels like a step backwards until the next patches, which could be what? Three months from now?
This patch does seem like a foundation sure, but i think they should have maybe released more stuff to do with SP at the same time rather then giving us this SP drought for three plus months. So far my choices for exp seems to be, a very limited supply of quests, a very limited supply of leves, or an over abundance of very boring grinding mobs. At least until 25 for that first instance. -
07-23-2011, 04:34 PMKenseiI'm twisting your words? Here are the things you said:Quote:
Originally Posted by Firon
"Thats bs behest never gave no damn 13k lol'
even at broken water you got only like 7k per behest "
"I knew you was gonna say that but my PUG is 42 you want me to change my class for you?"
To which I replied "It would be useless since behest is trash SP post patch. You would get like 2k if you are lucky." because obviously doing there is no way for you to try to get high SP from behest post patch.
And then you say:
"I did it today on GLA and got 3k from it on the 30 which is what i got @ 30 post patch ok next argument. "
Which I don't understand what is your point. That doesn't prove that you couldn't get 11-13k when in optimal range with the behest and group.
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07-23-2011, 04:36 PMKenseiI never claimed otherwise but camp grinding is worse now. You get less SP per kill than pre patch.Quote:
Originally Posted by AarosLunos
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07-23-2011, 04:37 PMAarosLunosIf you did camp grinding pre-patch, then I want to know where. Because no one really did it. Its more viable now because there are more mobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kensei
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07-23-2011, 04:39 PMSHJcules
Well for a lot of people, myself included, leves are a majority of their SP grind. This seems to be the group he wanted to cater to first. I'm not going to comment on grouping and world hunting until Yoshi actually puts forth those systems and addresses group play more. Hopefully 1.19!
All the solo leves I did though gave me more than enough SP to sustain me and keep me progressing. Did some 3 star rank40 camps on my r48 GLA, and they each gave a 4-6k bonus. And then I went to play in gridania at r41, and two starred the r40 camps. All the mobs were within 1-5ranks and gave decent Sp and a nice reward for playing efficiently, and not having to overwork myself soloing mobs at +10 ranks for a few measly k like used to be the case. -
07-23-2011, 04:39 PMFironCause i said Broken water gave 7k@ best and the lvl 30 behest gave me 3k before and after patch so yes you are twisting my words. Read again verrrrry slowlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Kensei
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07-23-2011, 04:40 PMSuzakuCMXBehest isn't camp grinding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kensei
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07-23-2011, 04:42 PMMookiesPM75Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
This guy is a liar.
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07-23-2011, 04:43 PMKenseiWell BW gave me 9k and sometimes up to 13k. If you only got 3k from R30 behest pre-patch there was either someone too high or low screwing the SP. The point is behest are no longer viable and give only a fraction of pre-patch SP to those who did it in optimal conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firon
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07-23-2011, 04:45 PMBled
What was taken away from one thing was added to another, people QQ'ing over leves/behests have just gotten so used to pigeonholing them selves to one form of SP gaining. Look for alternatives if you want the fastest form of leveling, they are there and keep in mind (its been said before) Surplus is GONE! they had to make leveling more evenly sustained.
If the same SP system was still in place and there was no surplus this game would be on par with the difficulty of Hello Kitty Adventure. -
07-23-2011, 04:46 PMKenseiMostly eyes and skeletons while waiting for behest to come up in Nanawa Mines. Nobody did it as a main source of SP because behest was superior in every way. But since SP has been nerfed per kill then logically you would get less SP now than before patch.Quote:
Originally Posted by AarosLunos
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07-23-2011, 04:47 PMAarosLunosMaybe you need to try less populated behest. There are significant SP bonuses for doing so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kensei
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07-23-2011, 04:49 PMSuzakuCMXSP was nerfed per kill only in leves and popular behests.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kensei
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07-23-2011, 04:49 PMMookiesPM75Uhhh I'd rather get my game difficulty from encounters and not leveling up. Leveling is nothing more than a time sink and has more to do with patience than difficulty. And as things stand I doubt I have the patience to continue playing a game that was just re-broken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bled
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07-23-2011, 04:50 PMSuzakuCMXOh look, dungeons.Quote:
Originally Posted by MookiesPM75
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07-23-2011, 04:50 PMKenseiFriend, I'm not saying I can't get any SP. Of course I can. Just at 1/4 the speed I used to which is the point of the thread along with showing how Yoshi said SP wouldn't be nerfed and that's exactly what he did. As for the surplus argument, the sad part is I used to get more SP while fatigued in behest than I do now without fatigue. That goes to show you how much it was nerfed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bled
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07-23-2011, 04:51 PMMookiesPM75Wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX
Just wrong.
Also, Yes dungeons are nice. It was a sarcastic response to the guy saying he wants leveling to be the difficult part of the game. -
07-23-2011, 04:52 PMSuzakuCMX254 for a mob 5 levels above me, sup?Quote:
Originally Posted by MookiesPM75
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07-23-2011, 04:55 PMKenseiThat may have been the idea but it is not the truth. I was in a grinding group today fighting R49 mobs with me and my group being R34-36 getting 300-340SP per kill which is actually what angered me to the point of making this thread because I had felt relived before the patch when I first read Yoshi's statements in the letter only to find that not only behest was ruined but everything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX
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07-23-2011, 04:56 PMMookiesPM75Sup, Killing one of the only two or three mob families that currently give above 200 sp?Quote:
Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX
Also, and I'm just assuming you're talking about your 21 CON... Things go way, WAY, downhill the higher you get. -
07-23-2011, 04:56 PMNeko_Yanagi
Going to say this, then drop it because I hate getting involved in these pathetic debates with trolls. Yoshi-P provided SEVERAL NEW WAYS to get sp. He had to decrease it in leves and behests to make up for the additional ways of receiving sp. Sounds like you can use some help identifying the different ways you can receive sp now, so allow me to enlighten you.
Guild Tasks (5k a day if you can hit all the guilds, team up with friends or LS mates and share teleports)
Leves (grouping up with friends or LS mates can help you get the most outta Leves, but solo isn't bad either)
Behests (Try areas that aren't used very often, there is a bonus for that)
Dungeons
Grinding (the new beastmen camps are fun to grind at, and more mobs added just about everywhere)
Side Quests (Very nice bonuses for these now)
There may be even more, but this is what I could think of off the top of my head. I personally have used all of these methods, some I prefer over other but I like having the options. And this is just for the Battle Classes, take a break and do some gathering (gathering leves are AWESOME now). Relax and enjoy the game. And if you're stressing over the changes, maybe this game isn't for you.... Because honestly we don't need players that only complain and are too lazy or impatient to try to improve the way they play.