t2 got ninja nerfed?

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Originally Posted by Gaddes

Not to mention this is another instance where you can't trust SE's word on anything, since they claimed just a short while ago that they had no plans to change it.

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This is the important part of this whole situation.

They had no plans to change it a month ago. Tell me the last time you haven't changed your mind about something for a whole month.

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Originally Posted by Tannlore

Yes it is. You just need the gear/skill to support it now or the proper setup (3 whm). Reddit reports people still doing it with 2whm/1sch but with i90 gear on all the dps.

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ppl with ilvl 90 are doing t2 enrage tactic? lol

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

ppl with ilvl 90 are doing t2 enrage tactic? lol

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"LFM t2 enrage. iLev 90 + allagan weapon prz."

Did it the enrage and noticed slightly more dmg from ads or feelt like dmg was high and no couldent kill it, but normal way was atlest a win :)

http://i.imgur.com/oATcNAZ.jpg

I'll just leave this here~

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Originally Posted by Zezlar

There's nothing "wrong" with it, but it's not the intended method. I always find it hilarious reading the PF write ups about T2 Enrage. "T2 Enrage Strat, know or be booted"

It's so ironic since the strategy basically implies you have no idea how to actually do the fight properly.

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My static has beaten it through rot passing many times. We just take the easy route so we cant smash through to turn 5 which we are currently working on

I'm very happy about this change. Hopefully in the future coil turns all enrages will actually wipe a group instead of making it easier. This way, if my group does need a PuG and we list "experienced only", we will actually get someone who knows the mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Elim

I'm very happy about this change. Hopefully in the future coil turns all enrages will actually wipe a group instead of making it easier. This way, if my group does need a PuG and we list "experienced only", we will actually get someone who knows the mechanics.

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are you kidding me even if you put experienced only you don't have a guaranteed win some nub might join you lol so it makes no difference

Could be a boss in the upcoming turns has a similar "pass the rot" mechanic that can't be cheesed. Maybe SE is giving people a chance to learn or re-learn how to do it. *shrug*

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Originally Posted by DannyNobuser

are you kidding me even if you put experienced only you don't have a guaranteed win some nub might join you lol so it makes no difference

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/facepalm

Of course there's always a chance for someone to lie about exp when joining a group. That's pretty much a given. However now if they turn out not to be lying, then they will actually know the mechanics. They wont just know how to exploit the enrage.

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Originally Posted by Gaarv

lol, once again, so much for "working as intented".

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Dark Devices was 'Working as intended' and got ninja nerfed as a 'bug' and then never fixed...

ADS Turn 2 was 'Working as intended' and got ninja buffed as a 'bug'... probably won't ever be fixed.

I have never done T2 the enrage way. But I am glad they buffed the enrage damage, better late then never. SE probably never thought people would figure out the way to make it so you don't have to do any of the mechanics on a fight.

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Originally Posted by Gaddes

What I don't understand is why T2 has an enrage mode to begin with. If SE wants to buff it so that people don't resort to enrage tactics, it's indicating they don't want people to fight it through its enrage mode... so why is that mode even there to begin with then?

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All the abilities the ADS uses are from nodes, including Allagan Rot. If you kill the Quarantine Node, ADS has no rot, so when the timer goes down to zero, there's no rot to detonate. It's intentional, of course; the tradeoff is that you give the ADS a 50% attack speed buff instead. The rot gives you a hard timer and greater coordination needs, the Quarantine Node route gives you a soft timer but beats the ever-loving piss out of you along the way. The design goal was that you can go either way. Problem is, Quarantine route is an absolute nightmare, so nobody ever goes that way, enrage timer or no. SE just did a poor job of balancing the fight.

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Originally Posted by Gaddes

What I don't understand is why T2 has an enrage mode to begin with. If SE wants to buff it so that people don't resort to enrage tactics, it's indicating they don't want people to fight it through its enrage mode... so why is that mode even there to begin with then? Why not just do one of the usual insta-fail 9999 damage things a minute after the 0 click?

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Because in the gear the event is tuned for and the party comp raids are designed for you could never survive... People walk in overgeared and with 1 tank/3 heals in pugs.

Did not plan for the thread to become a "you need skills to clear T2' thread. Just wanted to know if people had same issues we had which seem to be the case.

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Originally Posted by Johnist

Dark Devices was 'Working as intended' and got ninja nerfed as a 'bug' and then never fixed...

ADS Turn 2 was 'Working as intended' and got ninja buffed as a 'bug'... probably won't ever be fixed.

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They said they considered it "not an exploit". This is not the same as "working as intended". In fact, they very clearly said that the "enrage" method was NOT an intended way to complete Turn 2, but that it wasn't considered an exploit (and thus, not bannable) to employ it. They also said they had no plans to change it at the time but never said they'd never change it.

Jeez Square Enix are such jerks! Then why would they post something LIKE THIS and then screw us over!?!?!

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...77#post1761577

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Originally Posted by axemtitanium

They said they considered it "not an exploit". This is not the same as "working as intended". In fact, they very clearly said that the "enrage" method was NOT an intended way to complete Turn 2, but that it wasn't considered an exploit (and thus, not bannable) to employ it. They also said they had no plans to change it at the time but never said they'd never change it.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

The development team is aware of the strategy that is being used for the Binding Coil of Bahamut Turn 2 against ADS and they do not consider it to be an exploit. There are currently no plans to make any adjustments.

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Hmm unless you can provide a different quote, they never said "enrage method was NOT an intended way to complete Turn 2." So not sure what you're going on about.

Passing the rot is so easy I don't know why people would want to sit around waiting for enrage. The hardest part of the turn is ensuring not one high voltage is missed. That comes down to the reaction skills of your BRDs and PLDs.

This should have been patched months ago.

yes, it was "fixed" because enough people whined that others were doing the content differently than they were.

I'm lol'ing at the idea that there were multiple statics in the thread that only knew how to do the enrage method. Statics.

Im leaning towards the ability delay issue over it being buffed. I already did it for the week so I wont be able to test it till reset. Also about the enrage mode. If your healers arent geared for it. Its going to be a bad time. I personally see nothing wrong with the enrage way. Its whoevers static doing it and not yours. So it has no effect on you. T2 is the only boss in the game that requires you to pass something between each other.

Wouldn't surprise me. There is a new method on t2 that is easier anyhow and it includes a trick way to passing RoT. I doubt SE ninja'd anything to be honest. Reddit is claiming t5 is nerfed, I suppose my group will find out when our whm returns from rl business this week. Reddit has been wrong in the past. I won't claim SE Ninja'd anything until an official announcement.

just add a 4th healer and take a little longer lol

I have done T2 both ways.

Two things in this thread make me giggle though:

1) People saying they are glad they buffed it because other people were not playing the way they play. Like seriously? Are we in kindergarten again people?

2) People saying that only heavily geared people should be able to do enrage mode for farming. Sorry what? Only people with the best gear should be able to beat it the easy way? AHAHAHAHAH

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Originally Posted by AunaYuuki

Wouldn't surprise me. There is a new method on t2 that is easier anyhow and it includes a trick way to passing RoT. I doubt SE ninja'd anything to be honest. Reddit is claiming t5 is nerfed, I suppose my group will find out when our whm returns from rl business this week. Reddit has been wrong in the past. I won't claim SE Ninja'd anything until an official announcement.

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If that trick is all ranged stacking on a point after a single pass it's an old trick. Hope they can all dodge laser.

Guess I better fix what I said. T2 is the only boss that you have to constantly pass something that wipes the group in a whole and not just one person.

How about 3 healers(silence), 1 PLD, 4 Warriors (DPS) T_T

Now I see in party finder today, "T2 3 WHM enrage" guess they didn't really fix the problem people still doing it.

Here's what i want to know, why do you people give a shit if others do this stuff differently than you? I can clear t2 the normal way just fine, it's just annoying when people are tired/ new/ pugs/ whatever and you have to wipe on it multiple times. I don't need gear from turn 2 at all, so for me personally, its nothing more than a stepping stone to a turn i actually need stuff from. So wiping on something and getting frustrated over it is not worth it, yet i still want to help my friends. Its not like the enrage method stops you and your ego from doing it the more complicated way if you wanted to. I'm somewhat disappointed by this news, i'll have to see if it is indeed too difficult now to do. Though i already have an idea on how to heal it if is more difficult.

So... im guessing that T2 is now working as intended, as the unintended strategy has been patched? like the tree in AK?

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Originally Posted by AunaYuuki

Wouldn't surprise me. There is a new method on t2 that is easier anyhow and it includes a trick way to passing RoT. I doubt SE ninja'd anything to be honest. Reddit is claiming t5 is nerfed, I suppose my group will find out when our whm returns from rl business this week. Reddit has been wrong in the past. I won't claim SE Ninja'd anything until an official announcement.

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There won't be an announcement if they ninja'd it.
Has happened before.

I'm actually glad for this, one reason mainly. Tired of getting people for T2 and them saying " I don't know how to do it normally" smh.

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Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser

I'm lol'ing at the idea that there were multiple statics in the thread that only knew how to do the enrage method. Statics.

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I'm actually happy with this, people need to learn how to play and passing rot is hardly difficult.

Do not care either way.

Pretty sure this is about the ninja buff Google Translate is being crazy on me..... Either that or its T5.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...E3%81%8C/page2

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Originally Posted by Kikosho

OF Post by Yoshida

T2 and T5 had unintended changes so it'll be reverted back soon.

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Posted on another thread earlier.

The enrage method was all about just healing through extreme damage and avoiding rot, which was an instant wipe if screwed up. Seems to me that there is a path through T2 that is there specifically for that option, and that is the West side + the Quarantine node.

If you go that way, it buffs ADS haste which makes you take more damage (but avoids the rot). Not sure how the haste buff works - does it make the special attacks fire off quicker (so you can't dodge) or does it make the rotation quicker? Or both? If the former, it feels a lot like enrage - heal through it. If the latter, you would also need more on silence duty.

In before the expected response of "need to do it the way it was intended to be done". If that was the case, why is there an option to remove rot by also defeating the Quarantine node on that path?

Sounds like they might revert the changes T2 and T5 back to 2.15 in an emergency maintenance, because they were suppose to be in 2.2 and they weren't ready not bug tested yet. Yoshi has a post below.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1887585

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Originally Posted by Zumi

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Yup, Looks like when 2.2 hits Enrage will be buffed and the Changes to T5. So people have less than a month to learn how to pass rot. As for the changes to T5 haven't been yet this week, But I like the changes to the snakes.

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Originally Posted by Waeksyn

In before the expected response of "need to do it the way it was intended to be done". If that was the case, why is there an option to remove rot by also defeating the Quarantine node on that path?

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Never tried that, Can you just have an extra healer?