Re-rolling from Warrior, thoughts?

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Originally Posted by Appleh4x

I'm implying that it (Convalescence) helps more because WARs already get healed for more from Wrath stacks and the higher HP pools, so stacking on that goes further than with PLD. I'm not talking self heals; all outside heals. Inner Beast technically has no cooldown, and I've used it twice in a row on more than one occasion where the healer was either out of mp, dead from stupidity or a mistake, or just paralyzed.

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20% damage reduction + 20% more healing gives better healing efficiency than 20% more healing + 15% more healing.
....and thats ignoring the fact that the PLD's version is actually 10% stronger.

If you cannot use it once every GCD, then it technically does have a cooldown. The cooldown is variable, but it still has a cooldown.
And using it twice in a row sounds great, except the PLD's cooldowns last longer than 2 GCDs.

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Originally Posted by Furious

Your healers are wrong. Paladins take significantly less base damage than warriors and have significantly more damage-reducing cooldowns than warriors. For warriors to begin to approach paladins, they need either more mitigation or they need an increase to healing received (which is still a less desirable mechanic to reducing incoming damage).

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So they are wrong about the amount of spells they use? I question your intelligence due to your comment. Also pre coil warriors self heals all but bridge the gap in mitigation. Of course you probably ignored the part of my last post saying everything but coil, but it's normal for people to read half a post and instantly reply even though you are going to be incorrect due to being ignorant about the full point of the post.

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Originally Posted by Ruminate

20% damage reduction + 20% more healing gives better healing efficiency than 20% more healing + 15% more healing.
....and thats ignoring the fact that the PLD's version is actually 10% stronger.

If you cannot use it once every GCD, then it technically does have a cooldown. The cooldown is variable, but it still has a cooldown.
And using it twice in a row sounds great, except the PLD's cooldowns last longer than 2 GCDs.

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You say it like PLD has static 20% more damage resist which isn't true at all. WAR also has damage mit abilities, that albeit aren't AS good, but they fill in that gap between 20%. Parry rates and amount of damage negated from parry are also much higher with WAR because my strength and VIT are both very, very high. PLD STR is kind of useless and they basically have wasted points in Piety. All this + the huge amounts healed from inner beast all add up to damage mitigation equaling out between the two, or even being in WAR's favor with scholars and stoneskin happy WHM.

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Originally Posted by Appleh4x

You say it like PLD has static 20% more damage resist which isn't true at all.

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Wait, stop right there. Do you know what Shield Oath is?

If what you guys are saying is right it just sounds like people are just getting bad Warrior tanks, it's also possible to prevent damage if you know boss tactics using buffs like Foresight, then heal it back up using inner beast.

To OP,

I would suggest rolling Paladin, the AF armor can be used by both War and PLD so once any relevant fixes for WAR are in, you can pick the war back up and not have to do a lot more to gear him.

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Originally Posted by Ruminate

Wait, stop right there. Do you know what Shield Oath is?

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Basically defiance, but mit instead of HP and 5% less; cancels out if you do sword oath. It's still a dynamic activate

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Originally Posted by Azostar

If what you guys are saying is right it just sounds like people are just getting bad Warrior tanks, it's also possible to prevent damage if you know boss tactics using buffs like Foresight, then heal it back up using inner beast.

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I wouldn't say this is incorrect but there is more to it, while WAR isn't impossible for endgame content, it can certainly use a buff to bring it on par with PLD. If someone messes up whether it be healers or the tank itself (or DD in some fights), it's a bit more punishing for WAR.

There is a lot less room for error.

I have leveled and geared War, Pld, and Brd to 50 since launch.

If endgame is your goal :

Tank : PLD hands down, WAR is just unwanted and far less viable as a tank.

DPS : BRD, DRG, BLM (possibly SMN). There are a million DRG's and BRD's though so I would suggest one of the dps casters.

Healer : Both are needed and viable, choose whichever appeals to you the most.

Those are pretty much the best options. My choice for 8 man min/max raid group comp at this point : PLDx2, BRDx2, BLM(or SMN), DRG, WHM, SCH.

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Originally Posted by Blazn

Also pre coil

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see that's the thing

pre coil they're fine, the only fight with a notable difference pre-coil would be titan hard, his mountain busters require a little more work from healers when using a warrior instead of a paladin

but you've still got an inner beast ready for every single one, so the gap isn't that wide

the problem is when you realize the game doesn't end at titan hard.

people predicted this when looking at paladin and warrior skill sets - warriors are good, possibly better for easy content

paladins are better for progression

to any player with aspirations of raiding, that means you play paladin

to any player that doesn't want to see coil before they start nerfing the early parts in patch 2.2, that means play warrior